LJB 1,332 Report post Posted July 24 2 minutes ago, ShakaAloha said: So you think the incumbent will have to enter the tournament and navigate the bracket like any other entrant? Or does the incumbent have a bye to the finals? When you say incumbent, do you mean 2019 world team members? regardless, anything I say is only a guess, but, I think it is an open tourney and to the victor goes the spoils... this years situation is too odd to expect much more... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShakaAloha 68 Report post Posted July 24 1 minute ago, LJB said: When you say incumbent, do you mean 2019 world team members? regardless, anything I say is only a guess, but, I think it is an open tourney and to the victor goes the spoils... this years situation is too odd to expect much more... Yes, incumbent=2019 US World Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bnwtwg 367 Report post Posted July 24 8 minutes ago, ShakaAloha said: So you think the incumbent will have to enter the tournament and navigate the bracket like any other entrant? Or does the incumbent have a bye to the finals? Hot Seat: JB navigating the tourney Cool Throne: Dake navigating the tourney Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,332 Report post Posted July 24 8 minutes ago, bnwtwg said: Hot Seat: JB navigating the tourney Cool Throne: Dake navigating the tourney i would not expect either of them to be there... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Husker_Du 532 Report post Posted July 24 (edited) 32 minutes ago, LJB said: no... USAW is not going to have another WTT a month later and then expect the reps to make weight again for worlds the next month... if there is a worlds, this event will be used as the team qualifier... right. but if that is/will be the case, USAW will need to make that clear rather soon. also, then you get in to the situation where...who gets the bye in the OLY Trials?  Edited July 24 by Husker_Du Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,332 Report post Posted July 24 1 minute ago, Husker_Du said: right. but if that is/will be the case, USAW will need to make that clear rather soon. also, then you get in to the situation where...who gets the bye in the OLY Trials?  yes, they will... and my guess is whatever happens in october has absolutely no bearing on anything other than december worlds... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 679 Report post Posted July 24 What if, in the scenario of Dake to 74 keggers, he decides to go 74 at the US Senior Nationals. If the scenario is that the winner wrestles the 2019 member for the right to 2020 worlds (I KNOW IT ISN'T WHAT IS WRITTEN AS HAPPENING-DUH), then does he relinquish the 79 spot to, say Ringer? Same question for Cox at 97/92. Does he relinquish spot to Nickal? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Husker_Du 532 Report post Posted July 24 2 minutes ago, LJB said: my guess is whatever happens in october has absolutely no bearing on anything other than december worlds... pretty confident that will be the case. but you can see the potential for controversy... Incumbent sits out 2020. Another guy wins WC (at the OLY WT). Guy that won WC thinks he/she should get to sit. At least we'll have stuff to discuss! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,332 Report post Posted July 24 Just now, Husker_Du said: pretty confident that will be the case. but you can see the potential for controversy... Incumbent sits out 2020. Another guy wins WC (at the OLY WT). Guy that won WC thinks he/she should get to sit. At least we'll have stuff to discuss! i don't disagree with any of that... furthermore, i feel confident that USAW will clearly outline what the event does and does not count for... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShakaAloha 68 Report post Posted July 24 57 minutes ago, LJB said: i would not expect either of them to be there... Agreed, even if they got byes to the 2020 trials finals at their respective weights from 2019, what is the incentive to enter tournaments that have no bearing on Olympic Team selection or seeding at the Olympics Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,332 Report post Posted July 24 16 minutes ago, ShakaAloha said: Agreed, even if they got byes to the 2020 trials finals at their respective weights from 2019, what is the incentive to enter tournaments that have no bearing on Olympic Team selection or seeding at the Olympics the incentive is to go be a world champion and as such there will be plenty of guys there... i just don't think that the timing fits into dake or JBs plans... i would love to be wrong... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JHRoseWrestling 135 Report post Posted July 25 USA Wrestling did not have the opportunity to host any of the events that were on the 2020 schedule that generate revenue for the body. No regionals, age group national duals, Fargo, OTT, and the U.S. Open equivalent was contested in late 2019. Hosting an event for seniors (rather than minors) possibly carries less risk from an insurance standpoint due to the pandemic as well. USA Wrestling has bills to pay and getting an event on the schedule makes sense from a business standpoint in 2020, regardless of if an eventual impact on world team of OTT qualification is announced. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Class 52 Report post Posted July 27 I saw some Q&As on Twitter today, does anyone have a Cliffsnotes version? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronChef 660 Report post Posted July 28 6 Olympic weights, not a qualifier for anything, unless there is a world's this year, then it probably becomes a ten weight trials. Results don't qualify for Olympic Trials, but do count in seeding for the trials. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmm53 454 Report post Posted July 28 See the link below for general information on the event: https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2020/July/27/Schedule-website-and-Q-and-A-posted-for-Senior-Nationals Here are also some answers to more particular questions from USA Wrestling: Is this only for Senior-age athletes, or are there other divisions? – This event is only for Senior-age athletes, with competition in each Olympic discipline. Is this a qualifier for Olympic Team Trials? – NO. It is not an Olympic Trials Qualifier. At this time, there have not been any approved changes in the Olympic Trials procedures. Potential changes are now going through the committee and USOPC approval process. Regardless of those decisions, this event will not be included as part of the Olympic Trials process. Is this a qualifier for a 2020 Senior World Championships? If United World Wrestling (UWW) confirms that a 2020 Senior World Championships will be held in December in Serbia, and if USA Wrestling decides to attend the event, the appropriate Sport Committees will set those qualifying standards. It is quite possible that the event in Iowa City would become the qualifier for a 2020 World Championships. UWW is expected to meet in August to review whether to hold their proposed World Championships events in 2020. How many weight classes are there, and could that change? At this time, there will be only the six Olympic weight classes in each of the Olympic disciplines. However, if this event becomes a 2020 World Team Trials, there would be 10 World Championships weight classes in each Olympic discipline. Will it be a best-of-three finals? NO, as a Senior Nationals event, there is a single championship match. If this becomes a World Team Trials, then it would change to a best-of-three series. Is there prize money? NO, there is no prize money for this event. Does this change National Team stipend or National Team rankings? NO, this event has no impact on the National Team support or ranking. Are athletes turning 18 in 2021 eligible? These athletes are not eligible for the Senior Nationals in Coralville. Only athletes who are Senior-eligible in 2020 will be able to participate. Can foreign athletes participate: NO, this is a Senior Nationals and no foreign athletes are allowed to enter. Can college athletes participate? YES, if college athletes meet the age requirements and are U.S. citizens, they may enter the Senior Nationals. For questions regarding who can pay the expenses for a college athlete to attend, coaches and athletes should check with their institution’s compliance officer. Will there be seeding at the Senior Nationals? YES, seeding meetings will be held virtually, and the seeding rules of past Senior Nationals will be used for this event. Will the results affect seeding at the Olympic Trials? YES. As with any Senior-level competition in the USA or internationally, head-to-head matches and/or common opponents from this event can be considered for seeding at the Olympic Trials. When can athletes begin to register?: Registration opens Thursday, August 20 How will USA Wrestling make the competition safe? USA Wrestling’s Return to Mat Guidelines will be followed with some additional safety measures. The event will follow local and state health and safety requirements. When can I buy tickets and what do they cost? Fans will be able to order tickets starting at 12:00 noon CT on Monday, August 3 by visiting www.xtreamarena.com. Ticket prices for the Senior Nationals will be: All Session Adult $45; All Session Youth $25; Single Day Adult $35; Single Day Youth $15; All Session Coaches $20 (must have current USAW Leader Membership) What is the information on coaches passes?: All Session Coaches are $20 (must have current USA Wrestling Leader Membership). Must purchase through USA Wrestling Membership website, which will be available August 20th When can I apply for media accreditation to cover the tournament? USA Wrestling will open up its online media accreditation system in order for journalists to seek accreditation. However, all journalists must be in compliance with USA Wrestling’s Athlete Safety Media Policy for the 2020-21 membership year, which requires all media to have passed USA Wrestling’s background check and also have current Safe Sport certification. No acceptances will be given until after the new membership year begins on September 1. Some journalists may need to update their background check or SafeSport after September 1. In addition, due to space availability and COVID-19 restrictions, there may be a limitation on the number of media permitted to attend. Contact Gary Abbott at gabbott@usawrestling,org with questions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmm53 454 Report post Posted July 28 And another link (embedded in the first one above) with further information: https://usawrestlingevents.com/event/2000215702/ Â Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,332 Report post Posted July 28 well, not exactly what i would call the best of news... it seems odd to not have the full 10 weights no matter what seeing as though the only thing this is potentially, is the 2020 worlds qualifier... other than that just to have an event... 1 cjc007 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ugarte 290 Report post Posted July 28 are worlds in a country allowing american travelers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmm53 454 Report post Posted July 28 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ugarte said: are worlds in a country allowing american travelers? I think they are in Serbia, which presently allows Americans in. But I believe there is a requirement about the percentage of both top 10 countries in wrestling and all countries competing that needs to be met in order to hold Worlds.  So, the Covid-19 issue is there in other ways, too. See article below: https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2020/07/06/wrestling-world-championships-belgrade/ And relevant information on travel to Serbia: https://rs.usembassy.gov/serbia-covid-19-information/   Edited July 28 by dmm53 1 ugarte reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 1,269 Report post Posted July 28 9 hours ago, LJB said: well, not exactly what i would call the best of news... it seems odd to not have the full 10 weights no matter what seeing as though the only thing this is potentially, is the 2020 worlds qualifier... other than that just to have an event... Was thinking the exact same thing.  Why leave the dingleberry hanging there, just make it ten weights no matter what, especially since they specifically detail it as not having anything to do with the olympic process.. 1 cjc007 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UsedToBe103 17 Report post Posted August 6 Will this be streamed anywhere? Trying to decide whether or not to buy tickets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,332 Report post Posted August 6 it will be streamed no doubt... track is the most likely answer... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JHRoseWrestling 135 Report post Posted August 7 On 7/28/2020 at 8:12 AM, Lurker said: Was thinking the exact same thing.  Why leave the dingleberry hanging there, just make it ten weights no matter what, especially since they specifically detail it as not having anything to do with the olympic process.. I am sure this is an effort to massage the potential of a limit to gathering sizes. Difficult to predict what those will be in October, in Iowa. Limiting to 6 weight classes in the planning stages gives this event the highest likelihood of coming off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,332 Report post Posted August 7 Ugh... Iowa didn’t shut down... just completed their baseball season... highest turnout since 2014... spectators welcome... their “mortality” rate from the boogie bug is lower than the minuscule national mortality rate... the event will go off and will have ridiculously full brackets 6 weights or 10... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 1,269 Report post Posted August 7 6 hours ago, JHRoseWrestling said: I am sure this is an effort to massage the potential of a limit to gathering sizes. Difficult to predict what those will be in October, in Iowa. Limiting to 6 weight classes in the planning stages gives this event the highest likelihood of coming off. Good point Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
