This will be interesting to follow

[Billyhoyle 2,472]

16 minutes ago, LJB said:

I don’t necessarily disagree with you...

but...

what is a “law” that is inherently unjust and ill informed?

It depends the degree to which it is unjust.  Disagreeing with a law doesn't justify somebody breaking it.  Maybe I think many states have marijuana laws that are unjust, but I wouldn't condone a giant event filled with wrestlers to light up in public in one of these states. I'd like to think our sport isn't filled with people who would act so disrespectfully to a community, and I don't see the value in having a thousand wrestling stream into a town that has enacted laws to protect their public health.   Is it that difficult to just hold events in locations that allow these types of gatherings? It really makes the entire sport look bad and selfish.  Imagine a bunch of people from outside your community visiting your town for a weekend and breaking your local laws that they find to be unjust-I don't think you'd like it (I sure wouldn't).  

Edited September 13, 2020 by Billyhoyle

[LJB 2,093]

That was the point in the first place...

promoters should just hold the events where the local magistrates are less inclined to fold under pressure and more inclined to see reason...

[red blades 364]

[Boompa 203]

The police and department of health were there to monitor that the facility did not exceed 650 people.

[Idaho 1,325]

Team Buxton with the folk style  win out of 45 teams....man there are a lot of  Bouzakis kids. 

[Idaho 1,325]

9 hours ago, red blades said:

USA - 6.5 million positive cases...194k deaths.... 97% Survival Rate - contagious - ask ankle picker

Titanic 2,240 passengers positively on board...1,500 deaths...33% survival rate - not contagious - ask anklepicker

So....I have a better chance of surviving COVID than being on the Titanic. 

[Billyhoyle 2,472]

1 hour ago, Idaho said:

USA - 6.5 million positive cases...194k deaths.... 97% Survival Rate - contagious - ask ankle picker

Titanic 2,240 passengers positively on board...1,500 deaths...33% survival rate - not contagious - ask anklepicker

So....I have a better chance of surviving COVID than being on the Titanic. 

You have a better chance of just about anything than being on the titanic unless you’ve met Doc Brown. 

[AnklePicker 643]

2 hours ago, Idaho said:

USA - 6.5 million positive cases...194k deaths.... 97% Survival Rate - contagious - ask ankle picker

Titanic 2,240 passengers positively on board...1,500 deaths...33% survival rate - not contagious - ask anklepicker

So....I have a better chance of surviving COVID than being on the Titanic. 

Those positive case numbers include everyone. Why don’t you take away all of the 25 and under cases and deaths and then give us a percentage. Because I don’t know about you, but three out of every hundred aren’t exactly odds I’d like to play when it comes to my life. 

[LJB 2,093]

18 minutes ago, AnklePicker said:

Those positive case numbers include everyone. Why don’t you take away all of the 25 and under cases and deaths and then give us a percentage. Because I don’t know about you, but three out of every hundred aren’t exactly odds I’d like to play when it comes to my life. 

don't go to the tourney... you won't be missed at any of them...

you missed expressing your outrage over the latest RMN that went on yesterday...

there is another big dual tourney in philly this weekend... get ready to express your outrage over it...

same for the AWA duals this coming weekend...

same for the 10 events on track this coming weekend...

add in the couple events Flo is broadcasting this coming weekend...

how about the multi state wrestling events held during the previous 3 months that you missed expressing your outrage over because you had no idea they went on without incident...

we can also discuss the events held at misano this weekend where they allowed 10K people a day through the gates...

mugello the same...

and that is in italy...

remember when the fear mongers used italy as their talking points?

anyway, you better get used to being super outraged till whenever...

[AnklePicker 643]

8 hours ago, LJB said:

don't go to the tourney... you won't be missed at any of them...

you missed expressing your outrage over the latest RMN that went on yesterday...

there is another big dual tourney in philly this weekend... get ready to express your outrage over it...

same for the AWA duals this coming weekend...

same for the 10 events on track this coming weekend...

add in the couple events Flo is broadcasting this coming weekend...

how about the multi state wrestling events held during the previous 3 months that you missed expressing your outrage over because you had no idea they went on without incident...

we can also discuss the events held at misano this weekend where they allowed 10K people a day through the gates...

mugello the same...

and that is in italy...

remember when the fear mongers used italy as their talking points?

anyway, you better get used to being super outraged till whenever...

Justifying a tournament by listing other tournaments does zero to change my mind that they are a bad idea.  Will it take someone dying from getting this from one of these kids to change your mind?  Should we not be proactive in the midst of a pandemic when half these kids aren't even allowed in school?  

You list two races in Italy, what about Israel that is going into lockdown again?  Or France who had over 10k cases a day ago the most since their first lockdown.  No mention of those eh?

One of my wrestlers went to University of Maryland this year to wrestle.  He got covid and had some pretty bad symptoms as a healthy 19 year old according to him. 

A 3% death rate is fear mongering?  Again why don't you drop all of the 25 or unders from that group and then give us the death rate.  Reality isn't fear mongering.  

[nhs67 1,984]

10 hours ago, AnklePicker said:

Those positive case numbers include everyone. Why don’t you take away all of the 25 and under cases and deaths and then give us a percentage. Because I don’t know about you, but three out of every hundred aren’t exactly odds I’d like to play when it comes to my life. 

Sissy.

[AnklePicker 643]

11 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Sissy.

Dummy.

[LJB 2,093]

1 hour ago, AnklePicker said:

Justifying a tournament by listing other tournaments does zero to change my mind that they are a bad idea.  Will it take someone dying from getting this from one of these kids to change your mind?  Should we not be proactive in the midst of a pandemic when half these kids aren't even allowed in school?  

You list two races in Italy, what about Israel that is going into lockdown again?  Or France who had over 10k cases a day ago the most since their first lockdown.  No mention of those eh?

One of my wrestlers went to University of Maryland this year to wrestle.  He got covid and had some pretty bad symptoms as a healthy 19 year old according to him. 

A 3% death rate is fear mongering?  Again why don't you drop all of the 25 or unders from that group and then give us the death rate.  Reality isn't fear mongering.  

i was curious where your outrage was over all those other events and warning you to be prepared to be even furthered outraged...

that is all...

you have to work up to all this outrage...

you can't go full outrage right off the bat...

you could pull something...

[AnklePicker 643]

Not outraged, just disappointed.  

[LJB 2,093]

whew...

disappointment is easier on the knees and lower back...

good for you...

stay safe...

[Wrestleknownothing 1,452]

I don't keep track of the numbers nationwide or globally, but I do track the numbers for Illinois. I post them here so that at least we can debate those instead of opinions.

Illinois breaks down their data by age group. You can see the strong correlation between age and death rate in the last column. The death rate is below 1% through the 40's and then rises quickly. One thing to note that is not shown here is that the death rates for all age groups has been declining steadily. For example, the death rate for 80+ was as high as 31.48% in mid-July and now stands at 28.26%. I don't know if this is due to better treatments, mutation of the virus to a less deadly form, a combination of both, or some other reason.

 

9/9/2020
Age Group	Confirmed Cases	Confirmed in Last 7 Days	Tested	Tested in Last 7 Days	Deaths	Deaths in Last 7 Days	Positive Rate	Positivity Rate in Last 7 Days	Death Rate
Unknown	67	6	201,394	9,708	-	-	0.03%	0.06%	0.00%
<20	30,133	3,103	450,959	55,261	6	-	6.68%	5.62%	0.02%
20 - 29	50,327	3,302	790,478	89,753	33	-	6.37%	3.68%	0.07%
30 - 39	40,315	1,835	651,839	48,778	125	1	6.18%	3.76%	0.31%
40 - 49	40,286	1,709	572,744	39,598	287	5	7.03%	4.32%	0.71%
50 - 59	38,187	1,753	622,762	41,686	662	6	6.13%	4.21%	1.73%
60 - 69	25,855	1,085	545,260	34,182	1,450	14	4.74%	3.17%	5.61%
70 - 79	14,230	582	344,681	20,529	1,962	24	4.13%	2.84%	13.79%
80+	12,953	335	298,593	19,342	3,661	45	4.34%	1.73%	28.26%
Total	252,353	13,710	4,478,710	358,837	8,186	95	5.63%	3.82%	3.24%
Age Group	% All Confirmed	% of New Confirmed	% of All Tested		% of Deaths	% of New Deaths
<20 - 39	47.86%	60.10%	42.27%		2.00%	1.05%
40 - 59	31.10%	25.25%	26.69%		11.59%	11.58%
60 +	21.02%	14.60%	26.54%		86.40%	87.37%