nhs67 1,952 Report post Posted October 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, TBar1977 said: I re watched Kerkvliet's Rokfin match vs. Hemida. I then re watched his U23 matches from about a year ago. Couple of things stand out to me. Last year he was still wearing that brace from his prior knee injury and he looked somewhat tentative. There in no longer the knee brace and he does not look tentative. Looks the exact opposite in fact. He is going to be a tough customer. He has gotten used to it is all. Tournaments will be tougher than duals for him. The more fatigued he gets the higher chance he tweaks it. Right now having no ACL it is essentially bone on bone. He tweaks it and he's done for the day. It'll recover quick enough to be able to be used, though. I went without an ACL for 8 years without knowing it(misdiagnosed). Thinking I was just tweaking my knee a bit every time and I got used to it. Good form with running(football) and not putting stress on lateral movements was fine until I got fatigued. I think for these reasons Parris and Steveson are horrible matchups until proven otherwise. 1 Housebuye reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,481 Report post Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, nhs67 said: He has gotten used to it is all. Tournaments will be tougher than duals for him. The more fatigued he gets the higher chance he tweaks it. Right now having no ACL it is essentially bone on bone. He tweaks it and he's done for the day. It'll recover quick enough to be able to be used, though. I went without an ACL for 8 years without knowing it(misdiagnosed). Thinking I was just tweaking my knee a bit every time and I got used to it. Good form with running(football) and not putting stress on lateral movements was fine until I got fatigued. I think for these reasons Parris and Steveson are horrible matchups until proven otherwise. It is possible to compete athletically without an ACL. Others have done it. I think a lot goes into it insofar as building up everything around that knee, including all the way up thru the glutes and hips. I guess only time will tell for any given athlete. Nice to see Kerkvliet moving so fluidly given his injury, whatever it exactly was. Btw, I saw this interview and can read the headline, but Greg mentions "ACL tear" 2x. It sounds sort of vague the whole notion of him not having an ACL where he describes "just going with it". Sounds at least plausible that he actually has the ACL and perhaps, just maybe, it healed on its own. That happens for a certain percentage of athletes too. I don't know one way or the other and am just enjoying the wrestling. Edited October 21, 2020 by TBar1977 1 nhs67 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted October 21, 2020 just figured i would point out that FRL guys talked about this event quite a bit yesterday and today... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 1,952 Report post Posted October 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, TBar1977 said: It is possible to compete athletically without an ACL. Others have done it. I think a lot goes into it insofar as building up everything around that knee, including all the way up thru the glutes and hips. I guess only time will tell for any given athlete. Nice to see Kerkvliet moving so fluidly given his injury, whatever it exactly was. Oh I entirely agree. Even myself, as athletic as I am was able to at pretty high levels comparable to my peers. You train yourself to avoid specific scenarios. Kerk will be fine as he adds more muscle. The way it was laid out to me in layman's terms via my orthopedic is that the ACL helped support my muscles. As they get worn out and fatigued I would chance tweaking it. Kerk >>>>> me as far as physical gifts go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mphillips 1,652 Report post Posted October 22, 2020 On 10/20/2020 at 10:29 PM, nhs67 said: Please don't ruin this thread. You're right. I should have just started one... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 1,952 Report post Posted October 22, 2020 10 hours ago, Mphillips said: You're right. I should have just started one... You know I'm just giving you a hard time. :P 1 Mphillips reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 1,952 Report post Posted November 15, 2020 That Kerk that made Hemida look 8th Class just beat Cassman from Iowa... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mphillips 1,652 Report post Posted November 15, 2020 51 minutes ago, nhs67 said: That Kerk that made Hemida look 8th Class just beat Cassman from Iowa... Cassioppi right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AHamilton 1,026 Report post Posted November 15, 2020 2 hours ago, nhs67 said: That Kerk that made Hemida look 8th Class just beat Cassman from Iowa... What language is this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 1,952 Report post Posted November 15, 2020 I meant Cassiopi guys. I'm just being a twit. Wasn't the consensus that he was in the same tier as Parris, Kerk, etc? It was me stirring the honey pot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AHamilton 1,026 Report post Posted November 15, 2020 31 minutes ago, nhs67 said: I meant Cassiopi guys. I'm just being a twit. Wasn't the consensus that he was in the same tier as Parris, Kerk, etc? It was me stirring the honey pot. I don't think one person said that. I think the consensus was it would be for Kerkvliet to major him just by taking him down and letting him up. (and re-read your post) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,581 Report post Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, AHamilton said: I don't think one person said that. I think the consensus was it would be for Kerkvliet to major him just by taking him down and letting him up. (and re-read your post) I'll say I'm still a cassiopi guy. Not guaranteeing any titles but he isn't 2nd tier. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 1,952 Report post Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, AHamilton said: I don't think one person said that. I think the consensus was it would be for Kerkvliet to major him just by taking him down and letting him up. (and re-read your post) I said what I said. I also was of the crew that believed Kerk majors via Takedown clinic... or worse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AHamilton 1,026 Report post Posted November 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, nhs67 said: I said what I said. I also was of the crew that believed Kerk majors via Takedown clinic... or worse. No. I mean: your post does not follow any English language conventions whatsoever. It literally isn't any language at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 1,952 Report post Posted November 16, 2020 35 minutes ago, AHamilton said: No. I mean: your post does not follow any English language conventions whatsoever. It literally isn't any language at all. Oh ffs who gives a fck? You got the damn message, son. 1 AHamilton reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Le duke 386 Report post Posted November 17, 2020 After watching Cassioppi and Hemida stumble around for 6 minutes, it's clear to me that they are on very different, lower level compared to Kerkvliet. Going to be a rough go for Cassioppi this year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AHamilton 1,026 Report post Posted November 17, 2020 57 minutes ago, Le duke said: After watching Cassioppi and Hemida stumble around for 6 minutes, it's clear to me that they are on very different, lower level compared to Kerkvliet. Going to be a rough go for Cassioppi this year. Cass is a really, really good 4th place contender. He would be in the mix to be a national champ, perhaps multiple time national champ in several eras. Not this one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
