wrestler4lyfe 0 Report post Posted March 25, 2013 Based off the TOP 20 schools finish at the NCAA's Which Teams did better or worse than expected? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestler4lyfe 0 Report post Posted March 25, 2013 Does anyone know the TOP 20 round out for finishes? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickyTheEar 15 Report post Posted March 25, 2013 Here are the final team scores: 1. Penn State 123.5 2. Oklahoma St. 119.5 3. Minnesota 103.0 4. Iowa 73.0 5. Cornell 65.0 6. Ohio St. 59.5 7. Missouri 56.5 8. Oregon St. 48.5 9. Illinois 45.5 10. Virginia Tech 43.5 11. Iowa St. 41.5 12. Oklahoma 38.5 13. Nebraska 38.0 14. Edinboro 37.5 15. Northern Iowa 34.0 15. Pittsburgh 34.0 17. Northwestern 32.5 18. Central Michigan 30.5 19. Boise State 29.0 20. The Citadel 27.0 21. Virginia 23.5 22. North Carolina 21.5 23. Wyoming 20.5 24. Kent St. 20.0 25. Lehigh 18.5 26. Columbia 17.0 27. Maryland 16.5 27. Wisconsin 16.5 29. Ohio 16.0 30. North Dakota St. 15.5 31. Purdue 11.0 32. Binghamton 10.0 33. Clarion 9.0 33. Michigan 9.0 35. Pennsylvania 7.5 35. Rutgers 7.5 37. Bloomsburg 6.0 38. Air Force 5.5 38. Stanford 5.5 40. Rider 4.5 41. Arizona St. 4.0 41. Eastern Mich. 4.0 41. Harvard 4.0 41. Indiana 4.0 41. Northern Ill. 4.0 46. Bucknell 3.5 46. Hofstra 3.5 46. Utah Valley 3.5 49. Appalachian S. 3.0 49. Navy 3.0 51. American 2.5 51. Boston U. 2.5 51. Brown 2.5 51. Michigan St. 2.5 55. Chattanooga 2.0 55. Frank. & Marsh. 2.0 57. Buffalo 1.5 57. Drexel 1.5 57. Lock Haven 1.5 60. CSU Bakersfield 1.0 60. Gardner-Webb 1.0 60. Old Dominion 1.0 63. Duke 0.5 63. North Carolina St. 0.5 63. West Virginia 0.5 66. Army 0.0 66. Cal Poly 0.0 66. Campbell 0.0 66. Cleveland State 0.0 66. Davidson 0.0 66. George Mason 0.0 66. South Dakota State 0.0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scribe 1,848 Report post Posted March 25, 2013 Here is a late Feb team projection based on rankings from wr.com. I couldn't find the scoring projections based on seeding. Someone usually puts this up before the tournament. Just couldn't find it. 1) Penn State Nittany Lions – 115 pts 2) Oklahoma State Cowboys – 106 pts 3) Minnesota Golden Gophers – 99 pts 4) Iowa Hawkeyes – 91 pts 5) Missouri Tigers – 72 pts 6) Oregon State Beavers – 69 pts 7) Ohio State Buckeyes – 68 pts 8) Cornell Big Red – 61 pts 9) Virginia Tech Hokies – 50 pts 10) Central Michigan Chippewas – 49 pts 11) Oklahoma Sooners – 44 pts 12) Lehigh Mountain Hawks – 43 pts 13) Nebraska Cornhuskers – 42 pts 14) Illinois Fighting Illini – 41 pts 15) Pittsburgh Panthers – 38 pts 16) Edinboro Fighting Scots – 37 pts 17) Northwestern Wildcats – 36 pts 18) Boise State Broncos – 30 pts 19) Binghamton Bearcats – 28 pts 20) Kent State Golden Flashes – 27 pts 21) Maryland Terrapins – 26 pts 22) Virginia Cavaliers – 25 pts 23) Wisconsin Badgers – 24 pts 24) Air Force Falcons – 23 pts 25) Wyoming Cowboys – 21pts 26) Northern Iowa Panthers – 19 pts 27) Iowa State Cyclones – 18 pts 28) Penn Quakers – 17 pts 29) Clarion Golden Eagles – 16 pts 30) North Dakota State Bison – 15 pts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scribe 1,848 Report post Posted March 25, 2013 I'd say PSU is a wash. Their big guns over-performed and some of their other qualifiers underperformed. OSU overperformed Minny about right. Iowa underperformed Cornell overperformed Missouri/tOSU/OrState slightly underperformed. Slightly etc, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lipdrag 53 Report post Posted March 25, 2013 I know it is not within the premise of the topic (i.e. they are not within the top 20) but Michigan delivered an unadulterated FLOP. The AVERAGE performance by any of the PSU, OkSt, and MINN was higher than the achievements of Michigan's entire team (10 wrestlers, > 100 team points, average >10/wrestler). Perhaps a team name change to Wolverettes is in order. Rebuilding is one thing but this is more of a rebirth. Reincarnation. Re-conception. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrBurns 20 Report post Posted March 25, 2013 Rebuilding is one thing but this is more of a rebirth. Reincarnation. Re-conception. That's exactly what's going on. They are turning over their lineup. They got into this mess with years of bad recruiting (McFarland), and they're getting out of it with good recruiting (Bormet/Pritzlaff). I think Michigan will have a tougher breed of wrestlers in the near future. Right now, not so much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buf87 84 Report post Posted March 25, 2013 Iowa State was a big over preformer. Who aat the beginning of the year had Iowa State in the top 10 most of the tournament and finishing 11th with 3 AA. Congrats to KJ, staff and team. They were ready to wrestle and were very strong on Friday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frank_Rizzo 341 Report post Posted March 25, 2013 Lehigh really crapped the proverbial bed. Napoli was a #3 seed and went 0-2. He must have been sick or injured. I can't think of another reason why he wouldn't have done better. However, Nate Brown also underperformed as a #9 seed. But for Hamlin wrestling his butt off, it was an awful tournament. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldude 0 Report post Posted March 25, 2013 Gotta mention Illinois here. With a great effort by Delgado and good support from Polz and Blanton the Illini came in a solid ninth (sixth last year) which is commendable. Gonzales won four bouts and had another AA round to his credit. The real "should, woulda, coulda" element was missing B.J. Futrell. As a two time AA and highly ranked and regarded kid a solid placement at 141lbs would have meant another AA and as high as a fifth place team finish. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tightwaist 390 Report post Posted March 25, 2013 How about Va Tech finishing in the top 10. They lose Yates, but bring back Devin Carter along with 3 returning AA's. Plus they have some big name recruits coming in. Also, how about a shout out to The Citadel. 2 AA's for the Southern Conference 3rd place team! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjc007 774 Report post Posted March 25, 2013 The Citadel placing Top 20 was impressive. Great job by them! Cornell isn't going anywhere either. Top tier team no doubt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tightwaist 390 Report post Posted March 25, 2013 How about Va Tech finishing in the top 10. They lose Yates, but bring back Devin Carter along with 3 returning AA's. Plus they have some big name recruits coming in. Also, how about a shout out to The Citadel. 2 AA's for the Southern Conference 3rd place team! VT also loses Garnet...forgot about that. Still bring back 3 returning AA's, including Carter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xander 346 Report post Posted March 25, 2013 Yes. ISU from 27 to 11 Small step giant leap - we'll get there again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjc007 774 Report post Posted March 25, 2013 Yes. ISU from 27 to 11 Small step giant leap - we'll get there again ..they looked good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buf87 84 Report post Posted March 25, 2013 Michael Moreno's neck has got to be hurting after wrestling Taylor Massa. Moreno fought through it and dominated and broke Massa. That move is going to have to be looked at. In the Yates and Taylor match, they called it potential dangerous when Yates tried to use it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hummer126 11 Report post Posted March 25, 2013 Minnesota had seven guys wrestle above their seed and another (unseeded) who won two matches. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HurricaneWrestling 1,123 Report post Posted March 25, 2013 List of Over-Performers (From the greatest to the least) Iowa State: 130.56% Northern Iowa: 78.95% Oklahoma State: 12.74% Illinois: 10.98% Penn State: 7.39% Cornell: 6.56% Minnesota: 4.04% North Dakota St.: 3.33% Edinboro: 1.35% The above is based on the percentage increase of each team's projected score when compared to their actual score. For example, Iowa State was projected to score 18 points, but actually scored 42.5 points. Therefore, they scored 130.56% more points than was expected. Note: I included all statistical over-performers. However, since some of them are so minor, I'd suggest cutting off the data somewhere around the 5% to 10% range. (Example: Edinboro was projected to score 37 points and actually scored 37.5 points. For all practical purposes, they finished where expected. However, on a strictly statistical basis, they "over-performed" by 1.35% more points than expected.) Coming up next, the under-performers... :shock: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestler4lyfe 0 Report post Posted March 26, 2013 List of Over-Performers (From the greatest to the least) Iowa State: 130.56% Northern Iowa: 78.95% Oklahoma State: 12.74% Illinois: 10.98% Penn State: 7.39% Cornell: 6.56% Minnesota: 4.04% North Dakota St.: 3.33% Edinboro: 1.35% The above is based on the percentage increase of each team's projected score when compared to their actual score. For example, Iowa State was projected to score 18 points, but actually scored 42.5 points. Therefore, they scored 130.56% more points than was expected. Note: I included all statistical over-performers. However, since some of them are so minor, I'd suggest cutting off the data somewhere around the 5% to 10% range. (Example: Edinboro was projected to score 37 points and actually scored 37.5 points. For all practical purposes, they finished where expected. However, on a strictly statistical basis, they "over-performed" by 1.35% more points than expected.) Coming up next, the under-performers... :shock: Nice work Hurricane Looks like Northern Iowa & Iowa State both far exceeding expectations from the rest of the pack. What would you attribute that too, and is it a co-incidence these schools are both from the state of IOWA? Maybe in the shadows of IOWA? Definitively impressed with Citadel as well. Who is the coach out there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HurricaneWrestling 1,123 Report post Posted March 26, 2013 I'd say being in a wrestling tradition-rich state like Iowa is a beneficial for both programs. I think Schwab's building a good program and that KJ may be on the verge of righting the ship at ISU after a rocky start. They both sure did a lot better at NCAA's than predicted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HurricaneWrestling 1,123 Report post Posted March 26, 2013 Biggest under-performers. (I'd take some of these, like Air Force, with a grain of salt - because they're based on just 1 or 2 guys.) Air Force: -76.09% Binghamton: -64.29% Lehigh: -56.98% Pennsylvania: -55.88% Clarion: -43.75% Central Michigan: -37.76% Maryland: -36.54% Wisconsin: -31.25% Oregon State: -29.71% Kent State: -25.93% Missouri: -21.53% Iowa: -19.78% Virginia Tech: -13.00% Pittsburgh: -12.82% Ohio State : -12.50% Oklahoma: -12.50% Northwestern: -9.72% Nebraska: -9.52% Virginia: -6.00% Boise State: -3.33% Wyoming: -2.38% Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barrett 0 Report post Posted March 26, 2013 You also have to consider that if a guy underperforms all year he gets a low seed. And then he wrestles to half his potential and exceeds his seed. He is still underperforming but not by the seed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iowawrestling8989 2 Report post Posted March 26, 2013 Even more impressive about Iowa State's performance is that two of their All-Americans were unseeded, the other AA wrestled to his seed, and they had Weatherman out-perform expectations. Gotta give credit to Jackson for that, as he's received a ton of flack about his wrestling under-performing at NCAA's. Well, he turned it around this year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites