moveurfeet32 99 Report post Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) No Cornell. Princeton. Penn and the rest of Ivy League schools...Not good...No word from the new Cornell site about pretty important news Edited November 12, 2020 by moveurfeet32 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mphillips 872 Report post Posted November 12, 2020 Tumbling down... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ugarte 371 Report post Posted November 12, 2020 Yup. No Ivy sports until March, so... no wrestling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Mallard 191 Report post Posted November 12, 2020 Im getting a feeling of deja vu. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,950 Report post Posted November 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, Drake_Mallard said: Im getting a feeling of deja vu. Saw where Ezekiel Emmanuel wants to distribute the vaccine to other countries before covering the US. You pay for it, others get the benefit first, you stay locked down. Happy Thanksgiving. 1 1 GockeS and dwkeller reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Mallard 191 Report post Posted November 13, 2020 1 minute ago, TBar1977 said: Saw where Ezekiel Emmanuel wants to distribute the vaccine to other countries before covering the US. You pay for it, others get the benefit first, you stay locked down. Happy Thanksgiving. Why did you quote me on this? You off your meds? 1 1 jchapman and buckshot1969 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,950 Report post Posted November 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Drake_Mallard said: Why did you quote me on this? You off your meds? Not on any meds, so you can leave that off the table. I figured you to be pro lockdown, if necessary, or some such qualifier. As noted in the other thread, if I am off base on that then sorry for the misunderstanding. There is plenty of knowledge out there for intelligent people to know where they stand by now. My "if necessary" goes all the way to the hospitals being full with patients treated "for covid", not just "with covid". Anything less than that is an over reach, imo. Protect the "at risk", let everyone else go about their lives. 1 1 BobbyGribbs and GockeS reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buckshot1969 450 Report post Posted November 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, TBar1977 said: Saw where Ezekiel Emmanuel wants to distribute the vaccine to other countries before covering the US. You pay for it, others get the benefit first, you stay locked down. Happy Thanksgiving. You honestly believe we're going to have a vaccine and give it to other countries before we give it to Americans? What he actually said was that we shouldn't hoard the vaccine and that after we have achieved herd immunity it would benefit us to make it available to other countries to control its spread there. Covid is a global problem and letting it run rampant around the world will surely bring it to our shores again. We need to beat it everywhere. But that doesn't fit the alt-right talking points. So by all means keep spreading lies. 5 77again, red blades, Housebuye and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Mallard 191 Report post Posted November 13, 2020 Just now, TBar1977 said: Not on any meds, so you can leave that off the table. I figured you to be pro lockdown, if necessary, or some such qualifier. As noted in the other thread, if I am off base on that then sorry for the misunderstanding. There is plenty of knowledge out there for intelligent people to know where they stand by now. My "if necessary" goes all the way to the hospitals being full with patients treated "for covid", not just "with covid". Anything less than that is an over reach, imo. Protect the "at risk", let everyone else go about their lives. Well I guess you misunderstood me when I said lockdowns should be a last resort. Is that too "pro-lockdown" for you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buckshot1969 450 Report post Posted November 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Drake_Mallard said: Well I guess you misunderstood me when I said lockdowns should be a last resort. Is that too "pro-lockdown" for you? Lockdowns are always the last resort because you can't do much more than that. Of course if everybody would stop believing conspiracy theories pushed by morons and just wore masks we could save thousands of lives before the vaccine is readily available. 5 whaletail, Drake_Mallard, red blades and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,950 Report post Posted November 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, buckshot1969 said: You honestly believe we're going to have a vaccine and give it to other countries before we give it to Americans? What he actually said was that we shouldn't hoard the vaccine and that after we have achieved herd immunity it would benefit us to make it available to other countries to control its spread there. Covid is a global problem and letting it run rampant around the world will surely bring it to our shores again. We need to beat it everywhere. But that doesn't fit the alt-right talking points. So by all means keep spreading lies. I believe that is at least possible because Emmanuel's Fair Priority Model allows for that possibility. https://science.sciencemag.org/content/369/6509/1309 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,950 Report post Posted November 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, Drake_Mallard said: Well I guess you misunderstood me when I said lockdowns should be a last resort. Is that too "pro-lockdown" for you? I read that, but Governor Cuomo has said that same thing and he is quite wishy-washy in practice. The phrase "last resort" seems ambiguous and open to interpretation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,950 Report post Posted November 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, buckshot1969 said: Lockdowns are always the last resort because you can't do much more than that. Of course if everybody would stop believing conspiracy theories pushed by morons and just wore masks we could save thousands of lives before the vaccine is readily available. I believe 90+ (maybe 95+) percent of people wear masks when required. Those who don't do so span a wide range of persons most of whom are not engaged in conspiracy theories, college educated young adults being chief among them. Not everyone fits into some neat little basket as you seem to like to describe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Mallard 191 Report post Posted November 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, TBar1977 said: I read that, but Governor Cuomo has said that same thing and he is quite wishy-washy in practice. The phrase "last resort" seems ambiguous and open to interpretation. Ok, neat. You always use non sequiturs to ramble about your political beliefs? If hospitals cant handle the flow of patients anymore we have to consider lock downs. That is my opinion on lock downs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Mallard 191 Report post Posted November 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, TBar1977 said: I believe 90+ (maybe 95+) percent of people wear masks when required Id guess 10% where I live and that's being generous. 1 buckshot1969 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wrestleknownothing 431 Report post Posted November 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, TBar1977 said: I believe that is at least possible because Emmanuel's Fair Priority Model allows for that possibility. https://science.sciencemag.org/content/369/6509/1309 But that is not what you said. 2 Housebuye and buckshot1969 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1032004 929 Report post Posted November 13, 2020 LJB, I am reading correctly that you caught "the boogie bug"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dwkeller 13 Report post Posted November 13, 2020 42 minutes ago, buckshot1969 said: You honestly believe we're going to have a vaccine and give it to other countries before we give it to Americans? What he actually said was that we shouldn't hoard the vaccine and that after we have achieved herd immunity it would benefit us to make it available to other countries to control its spread there. Covid is a global problem and letting it run rampant around the world will surely bring it to our shores again. We need to beat it everywhere. But that doesn't fit the alt-right talking points. So by all means keep spreading lies. thank you for the pollical insight (sarcasm) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Antitroll2828 736 Report post Posted November 13, 2020 30 minutes ago, buckshot1969 said: Lockdowns are always the last resort because you can't do much more than that. Of course if everybody would stop believing conspiracy theories pushed by morons and just wore masks we could save thousands of lives before the vaccine is readily available. Lockdowns hurt more people than Covid....Conspiracy theories like the over 99 percent survival rate for most of the population? Thousands will be saved by rewearing the masks they hang from their rear view mirror or keep in their pocket daily? If we go into a full lockdown in January like team Biden has said You should expect to see atleast another dozen wrestling teams hit the chopping block possibly more and with over 70 percent of Americans saying that WONT take a Covid vaccine idk how there is any end in site. 1 TexRef reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boompa 178 Report post Posted November 13, 2020 45 minutes ago, TBar1977 said: Not on any meds, so you can leave that off the table. I figured you to be pro lockdown, if necessary, or some such qualifier. As noted in the other thread, if I am off base on that then sorry for the misunderstanding. There is plenty of knowledge out there for intelligent people to know where they stand by now. My "if necessary" goes all the way to the hospitals being full with patients treated "for covid", not just "with covid". Anything less than that is an over reach, imo. Protect the "at risk", let everyone else go about their lives. For once I agree with Tbar. PA isn't all lost I guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,950 Report post Posted November 13, 2020 18 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: But that is not what you said. Yeah, I was completely sarcastic. You got me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ugarte 371 Report post Posted November 13, 2020 People who are not "at risk" and going about their days are still spreading it to people who are at risk, since the most at risk and those less so live with each other. The reason lockdowns don't work *here* is that we also don't have the political will to have the government pay the (considerable!) cost of what is basically an economic shutdown of nonessential businesses. And mask compliance is *very* regionally variable. Cases aren't spiking in the Dakotas and Staten Island because their public transit is simply too crowded. I've stopped blaming individuals for having terrible personal priorities, though, because the messaging from government (not only Trump, government at all levels, in states Red and Blue) is so schizophrenic and mercurial that I can't judge people for throwing up their hands and deciding that none of it makes enough sense to make individual sacrifices. Here in NYC, Cuomo and DiBlasio have been incredibly erratic about how they shift from extreme seriousness to fiddling with the closing time at bars. This is why, to be honest, I would like a broad based lockdown order from the Federal government that comes with financial support. It would at least be a clear message with a clearly stated purpose. There would no longer be a reason to connect it to the election and the words matching the actions would be useful in convincing people that the government and scientific community are in sync. All of this is to say... I don't care about whether there is wrestling in 2021 even though I really, really wish there was wrestling. 2 whaletail and Hey Now reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RichB 197 Report post Posted November 13, 2020 Stepping aside of all the Politics, is there any reason why we could not Start the season the day we would expect to end it March 20. At least there should not be that many conflicts over facility use. 1 Fletcher reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Antitroll2828 736 Report post Posted November 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, ugarte said: People who are not "at risk" and going about their days are still spreading it to people who are at risk, since the most at risk and those less so live with each other. The reason lockdowns don't work *here* is that we also don't have the political will to have the government pay the (considerable!) cost of what is basically an economic shutdown of nonessential businesses. And mask compliance is *very* regionally variable. Cases aren't spiking in the Dakotas and Staten Island because their public transit is simply too crowded. I've stopped blaming individuals for having terrible personal priorities, though, because the messaging from government (not only Trump, government at all levels, in states Red and Blue) is so schizophrenic and mercurial that I can't judge people for throwing up their hands and deciding that none of it makes enough sense to make individual sacrifices. Here in NYC, Cuomo and DiBlasio have been incredibly erratic about how they shift from extreme seriousness to fiddling with the closing time at bars. This is why, to be honest, I would like a broad based lockdown order from the Federal government that comes with financial support. It would at least be a clear message with a clearly stated purpose. There would no longer be a reason to connect it to the election and the words matching the actions would be useful in convincing people that the government and scientific community are in sync. All of this is to say... I don't care about whether there is wrestling in 2021 even though I really, really wish there was wrestling. To your first point if you live with someone that’s high risk then more likely your already taking the proper precautions if 80 % of people are fine and 20 percent are vulnerable you don’t lockdown the 80 percent you take precautions for the 20% it’s absurd to shape the world for the 20 % ....A federal lockdown order with financial support? So you want to force like 80 percent of people’s work places to shut down then have the government fully cover the lose of wages for all those employees and business owners while everyone sits in their homes and what , cops or military patrolling the streets to enforce the lockdown? With all business shuttered, where is the government getting the billions of dollars it would take to keep all these people level? And what about the people that live week to week, paycheck to paycheck, they can’t afford to buy 3 weeks of food, 6 weeks of food at a time..Like we saw with the first lockdown we had 100,000s of businesses are closed for good, those jobs gone forever, while every big time business has made Billions more . Any lockdown wouldn’t be to “help the vulnerable” it would be because big corporations own our government (both parties) and lockdowns make them even richer and make the everyday citizen more dependent on the government, which in turn gives them more power If we lose the 2021 season and go into a national lockdown you can kiss wrestling as we know it goodbye. On all levels there will be big loses in programs, funding, coaching salaries, sure some big time places will keep it rolling but your seriously looking at losing a massive amount of small schools. It would be devastating to wrestling. 1 vegetable lasagna reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greatdane67 212 Report post Posted November 13, 2020 I guess TC3 will be a stacked team this season! 3 madcat11, Pinnum and brianj reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites