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16 minutes ago, NJDan said:

Many-- I would guess most-- sports require qualification. You could not have 200 competitors in weightlifting or diving or gymnastics. And the entire Olympics is limited to 10,500 athletes. I don't know how Eddy the Eagle got in.

 

Ummmm... There are not 200 nations in the world.  There were no limitations on numbers of athletes in 1988.  That is how those people got in.  Where is my facepalm emoji?

Prior to Eddie the Eagle, there were no qualifications to compete in the games.  The rule was largely changed because of him.  

Please be smarter.  Do not use 2020 qualifications to explain something from 1988.  

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5 minutes ago, AHamilton said:

Ummmm... There are not 200 nations in the world. 

205 countries
 
The Olympic Movement

The IOC recognises 205 countries and regions and hosts the Summer and Winter Olympic Games.

Yes, there are fewer governmental countries but ... For example, Puerto Rico is a separate entity.

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26 minutes ago, gimpeltf said:
205 countries
 
The Olympic Movement

The IOC recognises 205 countries and regions and hosts the Summer and Winter Olympic Games.

Yes, there are fewer governmental countries but ... For example, Puerto Rico is a separate entity.

For what it's worth, the UN has 193 member states:  https://www.un.org/en/member-states/index.html

Two counties are not in the UN (Vatican City and Palestine)

Six states have non-member observer status:  Kosovo (recognized by 102 members), Taiwan (16 members), Western Sahara (44 members), South Ossetia (5 members), Abkhazia (5 members), and Northern Cyprus (1 member)

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-not-in-the-un

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Just now, AHamilton said:

Good info

Also, keep in mind that many of these nations do not field teams because of the cost.  Madagascar went to the opening ceremonies one year but withdrew prior to competition due to the financial burdens of participating!  Thus, you would never have 200 competitors in any event's bracket, even before they made teams qualify.

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7 hours ago, AHamilton said:

Also, keep in mind that many of these nations do not field teams because of the cost.  Madagascar went to the opening ceremonies one year but withdrew prior to competition due to the financial burdens of participating!  Thus, you would never have 200 competitors in any event's bracket, even before they made teams qualify.

OK, maybe not 200, but you might have 150. There is no way they could allow every nation to compete in ANY sport with the possible exceptions of the marathon, the triathlon or bike road racing. This has been true, I would guess, forever. Maybe ski jumping was an exception as not many people would want to or be able to compete in that event. In any event, the question was whether the best wrestler in Ireland could necessarily wrestle in the Olympics. The answer is most likely no, as it would be for the best wrestler in Portugal, Morocco or Scotland.

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11 hours ago, NJDan said:

OK, maybe not 200, but you might have 150. There is no way they could allow every nation to compete in ANY sport with the possible exceptions of the marathon, the triathlon or bike road racing. This has been true, I would guess, forever. Maybe ski jumping was an exception as not many people would want to or be able to compete in that event. In any event, the question was whether the best wrestler in Ireland could necessarily wrestle in the Olympics. The answer is most likely no, as it would be for the best wrestler in Portugal, Morocco or Scotland.

Danny Boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling! They do not wrestle in the nations you mentioned! There was no qualifier to compete in the Olympics prior to 1992! Seriously! Do some research.  No one outside of an occasional Eddie the Eagle was spending the money to participate in Olympics they didn't have any chance in.  Look at what happened to Madagascar in 1988! Does Cuba ven participate in non-Olympic weights to this day? Money isn't that easy to come by, especially in a sport such as wrestling.

You must thing wrestling is much more popular and important around the world than it is.

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According to The Daily Telegraph, "in 1990, the IOC (International Olympic Committee) implemented a new rule that to qualify athletes had to be in the top 50 or top 30 percent of competitors at world championships, known as the "Eddie the Eagle" rule, which ruled Eddie 'The Eagle' Edwards out in 1992, 1994, and 1998.

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Another factor in the 92 decision was the end of the cold war and formation of new formerly communist nations.  There was still the unified team in '92 but some of those soviet states had already broken off and entered the 92 games on their own.  Plus the break up of yugoslavia led to four new teams (three new nations and the slavs who competed as independent athletes).   Basically from 92 on there was simply a large growth of nations eligible to compete because of the fall of communism.

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7 hours ago, AHamilton said:

Danny Boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling! They do not wrestle in the nations you mentioned! There was no qualifier to compete in the Olympics prior to 1992! Seriously! Do some research.  No one outside of an occasional Eddie the Eagle was spending the money to participate in Olympics they didn't have any chance in.  Look at what happened to Madagascar in 1988! Does Cuba ven participate in non-Olympic weights to this day? Money isn't that easy to come by, especially in a sport such as wrestling.

You must thing wrestling is much more popular and important around the world than it is.

I am pretty sure you are wrong about qualifiers. In the 1992 Olympic 1500, there were 4 heats with about 50 competitors. Do you really think that there would not have been a lot more if every nation could have one or even two runners compete. You said yourself, a lot of people would compete-- if they could-- just for the experience. But they didn't because they couldn't.

 

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44 minutes ago, NJDan said:

I am pretty sure you are wrong about qualifiers. In the 1992 Olympic 1500, there were 4 heats with about 50 competitors. Do you really think that there would not have been a lot more if every nation could have one or even two runners compete. You said yourself, a lot of people would compete-- if they could-- just for the experience. But they didn't because they couldn't.

 

I don't think a lot of people would compete.  I think it is too expensive for a lot of people to compete.  But they want to eliminate future Eddies;

Anyway... do yourself a favor... check how many wrestlers were entered by the US in freestyle and Greco in the years prior to 1992.  Pretty much all.  Even when we have had some bad Greco teams.  You would think that we would have missed qualifying some weights.  Qualifying was never an issue until 1992.  Trust me.  

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51 minutes ago, NJDan said:

I am pretty sure you are wrong about qualifiers. In the 1992 Olympic 1500, there were 4 heats with about 50 competitors. Do you really think that there would not have been a lot more if every nation could have one or even two runners compete. You said yourself, a lot of people would compete-- if they could-- just for the experience. But they didn't because they couldn't.

 

1992... you had to qualify 

First Olympics where every sport had to qualify.  

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2 hours ago, nom said:

FYI - Ireland had a contestant in the 1988 Olympics in wrestling ... according to Wikipedia.  429 wrestlers from 69 countries.
 

In 1992 there were 370 wrestlers from 59 countries.

So, are you saying that the number of competitors and number of countries decreased when they started making athletes qualify?

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Not buying your story that he Olympics was an all-comers event in 1988. That year, there were a total of 429 wrestlers from 69 nations. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrestling_at_the_1988_Summer_Olympics#Participating_nations

That's a big field, but the total included 7 from India, 15 from Iran and 13 from Turkey. Are you saying that these strong wrestling powers would not have brought a full team of 20 if they could have done so w/o qualifying?

 

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Well - Iran didn’t go to the Olympics in 1980 and 1984.  They brought a smallish contingent to 1988 (over half were wrestlers) .... in wrestling they did very badly. One silver.  And in Greco not a single Iranian wrestler finished above 10th place.  I would not doubt that they had budget issues (Iran / Iraq war had been going on and was nearing an ending) and choose to bring those that had even a chance ... many proved they did not.  Looks like in 1988 Iran was not the power you think they were. 
 

I will let someone else check on Turkey.  Even better would be for NJ Dan to do some deeper research.   
 


 

 

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On 12/2/2020 at 11:10 AM, AHamilton said:

1992 was the first Olympics in which a nation had to qualify to compete.  1988 was the year of Eddie the Eagle and the first Jamaican bobsled team.  That was the last time the IOC let people risk life and limb in sports they had barely any skill.  Although there are some competitive mismatches now...

This also goes hand in hand with the IOC trying to reduce the overall numbers of competitors that they have to house and all the other logistical issues that come with the Olympic games.

Doing some quick Wikipedia reading, it doesn’t seem fair to compare Eddie the Eagle to the Jamaican bobsled team.

Eddie finished dead last by a large margin in both his events then never qualified again.

Despite the crash in the four man team, their 2-man team finished 30/41.  They qualified for the next 4 Olympics in a row and in 1994 they finished in 14th, ahead of the US and Russia.  Makes me want to watch Cool Runnings again...

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