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On 12/3/2020 at 3:38 PM, ionel said:

There really aren't any tournaments after Jan till conf & NCAA are there?

There really aren't tournaments after January. The B1G isn't doing any non conference duals from what I understand.

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On 12/3/2020 at 10:14 AM, Fletcher said:

You all realize that programs across the country have been practicing thru the summer and fall, right? There's been no news of outbreaks. Do we really think a dual meet is higher risk than 2-hour practices?

I know of a D1 outbreak that shut the team down and then when they resumed, additional people including 2 coaches got sick.  

With that said, I want as much of a normal schedule as we can get.  

 

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Formula One racing completed its 2020 season today.  F1 races all over the world, the drivers and teams come from multiple countries.  The season start was delayed several months, some drivers and team members missed events (including 7-time world champion Lewis Hamilton, who missed last week's race and was confined to bed for a week; he drove today and finished third), and it was a weird season:  no races outside of Europe and the Middle East, 17 races in just 23 weeks, went to tracks they normally don't see, everyone on pit road wore masks all race long.  But they got the season in.  It can be done as long as you accept the fact that it won't look normal and you take precautions.

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23 minutes ago, jdalu75 said:

Formula One racing completed its 2020 season today.  F1 races all over the world, the drivers and teams come from multiple countries.  The season start was delayed several months, some drivers and team members missed events (including 7-time world champion Lewis Hamilton, who missed last week's race and was confined to bed for a week; he drove today and finished third), and it was a weird season:  no races outside of Europe and the Middle East, 17 races in just 23 weeks, went to tracks they normally don't see, everyone on pit road wore masks all race long.  But they got the season in.  It can be done as long as you accept the fact that it won't look normal and you take precautions.

And yet they continued to race just inches apart. :0  Its amazing they didn't all get the covid drafting off of Hamilton!  ;_;

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Obviously no driver to driver transmission on the track would be bear impossible. Obviously transmission within the team, drivers, owners, pit crew, other mechanics, other support staff is possible. But certainly teams can be kept separate. I guess a pit area is 8-10 meters apart (center to center). Transmission between teams would be rare, it would be like volleyball setting a rule forbidding anyone crossing the attack lines, 3 meters from the net. 

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In the particular case of Hamilton, any transmission would have taken place before he tested positive.  He won the race two weeks ago and had symptoms the next day when he tested positive.  He didn't rejoin the team until a few days ago, after negative tests.  Said today's was the most tiring race of his career; there was doubt he would be able to complete it at the start.  F1 races last less than two hours, unlike some of NASCAR's marathons.

 

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10 hours ago, jdalu75 said:

In the particular case of Hamilton, any transmission would have taken place before he tested positive.  He won the race two weeks ago and had symptoms the next day when he tested positive.  He didn't rejoin the team until a few days ago, after negative tests.  Said today's was the most tiring race of his career; there was doubt he would be able to complete it at the start.  F1 races last less than two hours, unlike some of NASCAR's marathons.

 

Formula One driving is also FAR more taxing than probably any other form of motorsport. It's not unheard of for F-1 drivers to lose 10% of their body weight during a race. (need any more ideas of how to cut weight, wrestlers? Just get a contract with a Formula One team racing halfway around the world from you!)

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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30502823/florida-gators-star-keyontae-johnson-collapses-court

University of Florida basketball player Keyontae Johnson in critical condition after collapsing on the court.

May not even be covid related but I wonder if this could cause any AD's to pull the plug on sports this year.

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4 hours ago, 1032004 said:

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30502823/florida-gators-star-keyontae-johnson-collapses-court

University of Florida basketball player Keyontae Johnson in critical condition after collapsing on the court.

May not even be covid related but I wonder if this could cause any AD's to pull the plug on sports this year.

He did have covid previously, prior to season.  They haven’t said yet what caused the collapse. Still critical but stable.  

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On 12/3/2020 at 10:52 AM, Fletcher said:

I think the opposite. It hits the news whenever there's an outbreak on a sports team - whether local or national. When teams and clubs are practicing for months on end and there's no outbreak, there's nothing for the media to report on so it doesn't make the news.

Ive had a coach literally tell me that they will report nothing in order to save the season.

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The NCAA has said that there will be full brackets for the NCAA tournament (yes I know it's IF there is a tournament). Since schedules are coming out and most look to be in the 10-15 dual match range with no tournaments, how will allocations be decided? Using the RPI will not work with so few matches and most guys not even getting the number of matches required by the the traditional RPI. Will there be a greater emphasis on coaches? A Standard allotment per weight per conference? It will be interesting to see what happens - or have they already put some info out there on this? 

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On 12/1/2020 at 7:43 PM, dougb said:

I would advise Athletes to Redshirt this Year, if they have an available Redshirt,   Too much uncertainty, If 1 person on your team, or the team you are against get it, then everyone has tp quarantine for 2 weeks Maybe be forced to miss NCAA, or Conference, meaning you can't go to NCAA,  or if you are a Top Wrestler and you don't get COVID, but a lot of your competitors get it including projected High All Americans, lets say there is an outbreak at Big 10's and 5 or of the 8 Projected All Americans have to be quarantined, if you win everyone would say it is watered down, Still a great Achievement for many, but if you are a top Wrestler, wouldn't you rather the top competition being there and winning? of course every year  some Top Wrestlers get injured, but many could not be able to compete through no fault of their own.  I would advise athletes to Redshirt, and just have Wrestlers who do not have a Redshirt available compete.    Since many Top Wrestlers Redshirt as Freshman and have already used it, there would still be many outstanding Wrestlers who don't have the Redshirt option competing.

I expect many to disagree, but it is my opinion.

This is a "free year" in terms of eligibility. It doesn't count against your 4 years. There is no point to redshirt anyone.

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32 minutes ago, Idaho said:

The NCAA has said that there will be full brackets for the NCAA tournament (yes I know it's IF there is a tournament). Since schedules are coming out and most look to be in the 10-15 dual match range with no tournaments, how will allocations be decided? Using the RPI will not work with so few matches and most guys not even getting the number of matches required by the the traditional RPI. Will there be a greater emphasis on coaches? A Standard allotment per weight per conference? It will be interesting to see what happens - or have they already put some info out there on this? 

Full brackets if 51% or more of programs participate. So you could have as few as 38-39 (I think) teams and still have 33 man brackets.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Full brackets if 51% or more of programs participate. So you could have as few as 38-39 (I think) teams and still have 33 man brackets.

 

 

this would be a good time to get ride of the silly 33rd position in the bracket, it makes absolutely  no sense and just messes up the first day.  

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1 hour ago, Idaho said:

The NCAA has said that there will be full brackets for the NCAA tournament (yes I know it's IF there is a tournament). Since schedules are coming out and most look to be in the 10-15 dual match range with no tournaments, how will allocations be decided? Using the RPI will not work with so few matches and most guys not even getting the number of matches required by the the traditional RPI. Will there be a greater emphasis on coaches? A Standard allotment per weight per conference? It will be interesting to see what happens - or have they already put some info out there on this? 

i just heard that DII is going to limit the number of wrestlers at nationals... fewer qualifiers... anything to this? 

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1 hour ago, Idaho said:

The NCAA has said that there will be full brackets for the NCAA tournament (yes I know it's IF there is a tournament). Since schedules are coming out and most look to be in the 10-15 dual match range with no tournaments, how will allocations be decided? Using the RPI will not work with so few matches and most guys not even getting the number of matches required by the the traditional RPI. Will there be a greater emphasis on coaches? A Standard allotment per weight per conference? It will be interesting to see what happens - or have they already put some info out there on this? 

Have a seat. This is a long one.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/ncaaorg/championships/sports/wrestling/d1/men/2020-21D1MWR_PreChampionshipsManual.pdf

The NCAA published their pre-championship manual. References to RPI are dropped.

ALLOCATION

Each qualifying tournament shall be allocated a minimum of 10 automatic qualifier positions for the top finisher in each weight class. For 2021, the NCAA Wrestling Committee will also allocate qualifiers for each respective qualifying tournament using a formula that calculates historical allocation data from the past five years. The remaining spots available in each class are reserved for at-large selections. Wrestlers must have wrestled a minimum of four matches at the respective weight class to be considered for at-large selections. The NCAA Wrestling Committee has determined that regardless of the number of spots that will be pre-allocated to qualifying tournaments, there will be a minimum of four at-large spots per weight class selected by the committee. The at-large qualifiers will be selected by the NCAA Wrestling Committee and will be announced March 10, 2021.

AUTOMATIC QUALIFICATION TOURNAMENTS

Atlantic Coast Conference, Mid-American Conference, Big 12 Conference, Pac-12 Conference, Big Ten Conference, Southern Conference, Eastern Intercollegiate Wrestling Association

SELECTION CRITERIA

On March 10, wrestlers in each weight class will receive an updated Win % and coaches’ ranking that includes all competition through the qualifying tournaments. Wrestlers who meet or exceed any two of the following criteria will be eligible for at-large consideration:

  • .700 Win %
  • Top 33 CR
  • .700 winning percentage against all competition
  • One win against a wrestler receiving automatic qualification via an earned position (preallocated)
  • Qualifying tournament placement one below automatic qualification
  • Seeded in top 16 during 2020 selections
  • Finished in top 8 during 2019 championships

Only wrestlers that meet or exceed two of the above criteria with at least four matches at the respective weight class will be eligible for selection as at-large qualifiers. A wrestler that is unable to compete in his qualifying tournament because of COVID-19 related issues may be considered for at-large selection, if verified documentation is provided to the committee prior to selections, and only if his team does not enter a different wrestler into the qualifying tournament at the same weight class.

*Note: Wrestlers without conference affiliation may be considered if all other criteria are met. The NCAA Wrestling Committee will use the following criteria to evaluate the wrestlers:

  • Head-to-head competition
  • Quality wins
  • Coaches ranking
  • Results against common opponents
  • Qualifying tournament placement
  • Win percentage

*Notes: The NCAA Wrestling Committee may also use subjective criteria such as, but not limited to, historical performance. Coaches’ Ranking — A wrestler must have wrestled four matches at the championships weight class to be eligible to be ranked in that weight class. He also must have wrestled at least one match in the 30 days preceding each ranking period in the respective weight class. If a wrestler does not meet each of these two criteria, he will be removed from the ranking list for that ranking period.

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1 hour ago, ionel said:

this would be a good time to get ride of the silly 33rd position in the bracket, it makes absolutely  no sense and just messes up the first day.  

And this would be the time to remind people NOT to reduce participation numbers simply because some people have mathematical OCD.

How does it ruin the first day? Maybe ten bouts get put slightly out of sequence- and with 30 minute wait time could be only a few. Not sure how many were delayed the couple years back when the 30 minute rule was implemented.

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32 minutes ago, gimpeltf said:

And this would be the time to remind people NOT to reduce participation numbers simply because some people have mathematical OCD.

How does it ruin the first day? Maybe ten bouts get put slightly out of sequence- and with 30 minute wait time could be only a few. Not sure how many were delayed the couple years back when the 30 minute rule was implemented.

The only reason the extra (33rd) was added was to be consistent with basketball.  That made absolutely no sense.  The extra draw-in basketball game is on (I think) Tues, thus the single game generates more market share, tv revenue etc.  Basketball doesn't play the back side of the bracket so this has no affect on the full bracket on Thusday going forward.  Wrestling used to be 8 then 16, 24 and there was nothing wrong with 32.

BTW who said anything about "ruin the first day?" 

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25 minutes ago, ionel said:

The only reason the extra (33rd) was added was to be consistent with basketball.  That made absolutely no sense.  The extra draw-in basketball game is on (I think) Tues, thus the single game generates more market share, tv revenue etc.  Basketball doesn't play the back side of the bracket so this has no affect on the full bracket on Thusday going forward.  Wrestling used to be 8 then 16, 24 and there was nothing wrong with 32.

BTW who said anything about "ruin the first day?" 

OK- messes up the first day. Are you really trying to make a major difference between those two terms?

And you have no idea what you're talking about for the reason of the 33rd.

The basketball games (65th) started in 1999 and First 4 in about 2011. Wrestling was at 36 for some time through until late 80s until they eliminated D2 finalists and D3 champs from entering D1. They phased down late 80s and early 90s grandfathering in kids that had qualified while they were allowed in like Haselrig. Then it got to 33. For the 90s into the 00s it averaged 33. Then in 2009, IIRC, they changed to exactly 33 each weight.

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