Arizona State announces Maroon/Gold Intrasquad 5 days before date

[Bronco 145]

285 lbs - Norfleet beat Remer but again whoever is in charge of the scoreboard doesn't do the job.  Remer only went against Norfleet for 1 period and then they brought in Palosika to face Norfleet in the 2nd period.  And now Remer comes back for the 3rd period.

Edited December 19, 2020 by Bronco

[Bronco 145]

149 lbs - Crooks won by TF (20-5) over true freshman Roberto

[nhs67 1,053]

17 minutes ago, Bronco said:

285 lbs - Norfleet beat Remer but again whoever is in charge of the scoreboard doesn't do the job.  Remer only went against Norfleet for 1 period and then they brought in Palosika to face Norfleet in the 2nd period.  And now Remer comes back for the 3rd period.

What?  This makes little sense.

[Bronco 145]

184 lbs - Belshay

Just now, nhs67 said:

What?  This makes little sense.

It's an in-team SCRIMMAGE - and that's the way it took place.

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Just now, Bronco said:

184 lbs - Belshay

It's an in-team SCRIMMAGE - and that's the way it took place.

Don't need to type-yell SCRIMMAGE at me.  I get it's a scrimmage.

It doesn't make it any less stupid.

[Bronco 145]

1 minute ago, nhs67 said:

Don't need to type-yell SCRIMMAGE at me.  I get it's a scrimmage.

It doesn't make it any less stupid.

Good grief..................what a nitwit.

[Bronco 145]

184 lbs - Belshay beats Nummer

[Bronco 145]

125 lbs Brandon Courtney vs. 133 lbs Lou Fincher - Courtney wins 11-3

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8 minutes ago, Bronco said:

Good grief..................what a nitwit.

Stfu, you dense ponce.

I want to see Norfleet in an entire match.  He is the best kid on the roster as of now and will likely outplace everyone else at ASU (if there is a tourney).

[Bronco 145]

157 lbs Jacori Teemer vs. Alex Torres - Teemer wins 10-2

[Bronco 145]

174 lbs - Munoz vs. Ryan Moltz  - Munoz wins 18-0

[Tommy Payan 54]

3 hours ago, nhs67 said:

What?  This makes little sense.

Coach Jones has been doing this for at least the last three years. Wrestle-offs are normally the week of the upcoming dual. He often has 2-3 wrestlers weigh-in and makes match-up decisions as the dual progresses.  In last years Maroon and Gold, Anthony Valencia wrestled three different guys in two matches.

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1 minute ago, Tommy Payan said:

Coach Jones has been doing this for at least the last three years. Wrestle-offs are normally the week of the upcoming dual. He often has 2-3 wrestlers weigh-in and makes match-up decisions as the dual progresses.  In last years Maroon and Gold, Anthony Valencia wrestled three different guys in two matches.

Yeah okay.  Don't do it with Norfleet.  I want to see him against 197lbers.

[Idaho 792]

The real question is where everyone else was today.It would have been a great opportunity to showcase talent for the fans and determine where your guys are. 

[Bronco 145]

7 minutes ago, Idaho said:

The real question is where everyone else was today.It would have been a great opportunity to showcase talent for the fans and determine where your guys are. 

Instead they intentionally had 9 matches that were decidedly uneven matches talent wise.   I know that events like this are not for the fans (hell there were no fans in the arena) but watching one guy dominate the opponent nine times is not all that interesting to watch IMO.

[Tommy Payan 54]

Maroon & Gold Scrimmage Bouts Results (lbs):

Gold (24) def. Maroon (18)

133: McGee (Gold) def. Fincher (Maroon): Tech 17-2, 5:32

165: Valencia (Maroon) def. Torres (Gold): Fall 4:28

174: Munoz (Gold) def. Rochford (Maroon): MD 15-1

HWT: Norfleet (Maroon) def. Remer (Gold)/Palosika (Gold): Tech 22-0, 7:00

149: Crooks (Gold) def. Roberto (Maroon): Tech 20-4, 5:49

184: Belshay (Maroon) def. Nummer (Gold): Dec. 10-3

125: Courtney (Gold) def. Fincher (Maroon): MD 11-2

157: Teemer (Maroon) def. Torres (Gold): MD 10-2

174: Munoz (Gold) def. Moltz (Maroon): Tech 17-0, 4:20

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16 hours ago, Bronco said:

Instead they intentionally had 9 matches that were decidedly uneven matches talent wise.   I know that events like this are not for the fans (hell there were no fans in the arena) but watching one guy dominate the opponent nine times is not all that interesting to watch IMO.

Why not Teemer VS Valencia or Norfleet VS Z. Valencia? 

[gobraves101905 70]

11 hours ago, nhs67 said:

Why not Teemer VS Valencia or Norfleet VS Z. Valencia? 

Teemer and Anthony are not the same weight class. Zahid does not go to school there anymore. He has finished his 4 years or college wrestling. 

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9 hours ago, gobraves101905 said:

Teemer and Anthony are not the same weight class. Zahid does not go to school there anymore. He has finished his 4 years or college wrestling. 

All that is understood and known, yet an entirely moot point.

A) Zahid still trains there and aside for Schultz, who for whatever reason was not wrestling, is the only person who is going to give Norfleet a match in that room.

B) They aren't the same weight class, but they wrestle the same international weight and they wrestled the same person, who was obviously not the same weight class as one of them.  Which reverts to the same reasoning as reason 'A' above for Norfleet.  These two are the best two in that range.  Why not showcase that?

Man, Norfleet looked very good, though.  Also looks like he's finally filling in to that 197lb weight class a bit.

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9 hours ago, gobraves101905 said:

Teemer and Anthony are not the same weight class. Zahid does not go to school there anymore. He has finished his 4 years or college wrestling. 

165: Valencia (Maroon) def. Torres (Gold): Fall 4:28

157: Teemer (Maroon) def. Torres (Gold): MD 10-2

[Idaho 792]

Whether you agree or disagree with the way this was all conducted, we can all agree on one thing. It was a total disappointment. 

[Bronco 145]

1 hour ago, Idaho said:

Whether you agree or disagree with the way this was all conducted, we can all agree on one thing. It was a total disappointment. 

I can agree with that.  Personally I would have preferred to see the following matches:

 285 lbs - Cohlton Schultz (285) vs. Palosika (285)

125 lbs- Courtney (125) vs. Raimo (133) OR Kline (133)

133 lbs - McGee (133) vs. Raimo (133) OR Kline (133)

141 lbs - Chlebove (141) vs. Vasquez (141) OR Lipari (141)

149 lbs - Crooks (149) vs Vasquez (141) OR Lipari (141)

157 lbs - Teemer (157) vs. Torres (165) - which was one of the matches on Saturday

165 lbs - Valencia (165) vs Zane Coleman (174)

174 lbs - Munoz (174) vs Austin Clayton (184)

184 lbs - Belshay (184) vs. Chad Porter (197)

197 lbs - Norfleet (197) vs. Palosika (285)

BUT...............seeing as my name is NOT Zeke Jones..................I had no say on what matches would take place.  And neither does anyone else who isn't named Zeke Jones.

Edited December 21, 2020 by Bronco

[nhs67 1,053]

1 hour ago, Bronco said:

I can agree with that.  Personally I would have preferred to see the following matches:

 285 lbs - Cohlton Schultz (285) vs. Palosika (285)

125 lbs- Courtney (125) vs. Raimo (133) OR Kline (133)

133 lbs - McGee (133) vs. Raimo (133) OR Kline (133)

141 lbs - Chlebove (141) vs. Vasquez (141) OR Lipari (141)

149 lbs - Crooks (149) vs Vasquez (141) OR Lipari (141)

157 lbs - Teemer (157) vs. Torres (165) - which was one of the matches on Saturday

165 lbs - Valencia (165) vs Zane Coleman (174)

174 lbs - Munoz (174) vs Austin Clayton (184)

184 lbs - Belshay (184) vs. Chad Porter (197)

197 lbs - Norfleet (197) vs. Palosika (285)

BUT...............seeing as my name is NOT Zeke Jones..................I had no say on what matches would take place.  And neither does anyone else who isn't named Zeke Jones.

I can get behind most of these with the exception of utilizing Zahid and Tanner in the room and have them wrestle Shultz/Norfleet respectively.

Munoz VS Valencia or Belshay would have been good, too.

[Idaho 792]

1 hour ago, Bronco said:

I can agree with that.  Personally I would have preferred to see the following matches:

 285 lbs - Cohlton Schultz (285) vs. Palosika (285)

125 lbs- Courtney (125) vs. Raimo (133) OR Kline (133)

133 lbs - McGee (133) vs. Raimo (133) OR Kline (133)

141 lbs - Chlebove (141) vs. Vasquez (141) OR Lipari (141)

149 lbs - Crooks (149) vs Vasquez (141) OR Lipari (141)

157 lbs - Teemer (157) vs. Torres (165) - which was one of the matches on Saturday

165 lbs - Valencia (165) vs Zane Coleman (174)

174 lbs - Munoz (174) vs Austin Clayton (184)

184 lbs - Belshay (184) vs. Chad Porter (197)

197 lbs - Norfleet (197) vs. Palosika (285)

BUT...............seeing as my name is NOT Zeke Jones..................I had no say on what matches would take place.  And neither does anyone else who isn't named Zeke Jones.

Thank you for clarifying your name is NOT Zeke Jones and that you DIDN"T create the matches. That cleared up some things for me. 

Why have Munoz and Coleman wrestle out of their weights, but not wrestle each other when that's the match to determine the position? 

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7 hours ago, Idaho said:

Thank you for clarifying your name is NOT Zeke Jones and that you DIDN"T create the matches. That cleared up some things for me. 

Why have Munoz and Coleman wrestle out of their weights, but not wrestle each other when that's the match to determine the position? 

Would love to see Munoz vs Coleman. Loser wrestles Belshay. Same goes for McGee vs Raimo. Loser wrestles Courtney if they want to cut. Chlebove vs Vasquez. Loser wrestles the winner of Lapari vs Crooks. 
Belton vs Kline would have been a better match than any of these.