No Russian name or flag at Olympics & World Championships

[IronChef 756]

Russia banned from using its name, flag at next two Olympics

More doping shenanigans. The teams can still compete. 

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The name ``Russia'' can be retained on uniforms if the words ``Neutral Athlete'' or ``Neutral Team'' have equal prominence, the court said.

 

Edited December 17, 2020 by IronChef

[nhs67 1,125]

32 minutes ago, IronChef said:

Russia banned from using its name, flag at next two Olympics

More doping shenanigans. The teams can still compete. 

 

If Russia is out, then their allocations should go back to the pool.

[lu_alum 728]

11 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

If Russia is out, then their allocations should go back to the pool.

True, but are their athletes allowed to complete in the Last Chance Qualifier independently?  If so, does that enable more than one Russian to enter a weight class?

[Lurker 1,397]

48 minutes ago, lu_alum said:

True, but are their athletes allowed to complete in the Last Chance Qualifier independently?  If so, does that enable more than one Russian to enter a weight class?

It only covers the olympics and worlds from all I’ve read. 

[nhs67 1,125]

1 hour ago, lu_alum said:

True, but are their athletes allowed to complete in the Last Chance Qualifier independently?  If so, does that enable more than one Russian to enter a weight class?

No.  The federation should still be allowed to choose who to send, however they shouldn't get Russia's qualifications since Russia was banned.

[Ogalthorpe Haywood 322]

All the cheaters still get to compete, so who’s this hurting?

[Lurker 1,397]

37 minutes ago, Ogalthorpe Haywood said:

All the cheaters still get to compete, so who’s this hurting?

If the previous ruling stands (this was based off their manipulating information during the sanctions from a few years ago) anyone who has popped before will not be able to compete and they’ll have a pretty vigorous vetting process. I don’t know if that still stands but that was and earlier decision before this latest sanction. 
 

I believe I also read they are not allowed to hold any international events during that span. So that would mean the Yarigan is out? 

[Husker_Du 578]

another stupid thing...

they are allowed to have "Russia" on their uni's/singlets as long as the term 'neutral athlete' is also present. (eyeroll)

[LJB 1,495]

80 and 84 have imagined asterisks after them...

this seems like a total non-issue...

but...

DRAMA ON THE GOOGLEWEBS!!!!!!

[mspart 193]

If their uniform says Russia, they are part of the Russian team.   This weasel wording just doesn't make any logicial sense.  

mspart

[Lurker 1,397]

Will be interesting to see how this plays out from a broadcast perspective. For example, when NBC shows the medal count, will they have a slot for “neutral”. Will they just not factor into the table?  If no, will broadcasters mention “Russian athletes competing neutral have accounted for...?”  I’m curious. 

[TripNSweep 479]

So just a slap on the wrist. I bet the Chechens and Dagestanis are thrilled since they won't be actually repping Russia.

[Jim L 232]

17 hours ago, Lurker said:

Will be interesting to see how this plays out from a broadcast perspective. For example, when NBC shows the medal count, will they have a slot for “neutral”. Will they just not factor into the table?  If no, will broadcasters mention “Russian athletes competing neutral have accounted for...?”  I’m curious. 

I am pretty sure this was the case at the last winter olympics. It made zero bit of difference and is essentially zero punishment.

Everyone knew they were Russian athletes, representing Russia.

[Jaroslav Hasek 1,890]

Not sure why people want to punish the russian athletes who haven't tested positive for PEDs. its the Russian state and Olympic federation that is the guilty party. Assuming they miss out on their cut of the Olympic money this is a pretty massive punishment. Can't think of similar instance happening in recent memory.

[JHRoseWrestling 179]

12 hours ago, Jaroslav Hasek said:

Not sure why people want to punish the russian athletes who haven't tested positive for PEDs. its the Russian state and Olympic federation that is the guilty party. Assuming they miss out on their cut of the Olympic money this is a pretty massive punishment. Can't think of similar instance happening in recent memory.

I will take a shot at why.

I think people want to punish Russian athletes who haven't tested positive because of proven, comprehensive, state-sponsored efforts to make sure that their dirty athletes test clean.

The evidence suggests that, in the case of Russia, lack of a positive test is no longer sufficient to indicate clean sport.

[Jaroslav Hasek 1,890]

1 hour ago, JHRoseWrestling said:

The evidence suggests that, in the case of Russia, lack of a positive test is no longer sufficient to indicate clean sport.

After Rodchenkov defected I no longer believe that is the case. we know about the cheating because of Rodchenkov, after which WADA decertified RUSADA. Part of deal for allowing the Russian athletes to compete under a neutral flag at the Olympics is they have to go through the same testing as everyone else, they are no longer tested by an organization sponsored by the Russian state.

Was actually kinda surprised Russia ended up with any punishment at all. Thought covid might allow the IOC et al to just sweep this all under the rug. That they stuck to their guns and held Russia accountable was good to see imo. 

[Lurker 1,397]

5 hours ago, Jaroslav Hasek said:

After Rodchenkov defected I no longer believe that is the case. we know about the cheating because of Rodchenkov, after which WADA decertified RUSADA. Part of deal for allowing the Russian athletes to compete under a neutral flag at the Olympics is they have to go through the same testing as everyone else, they are no longer tested by an organization sponsored by the Russian state.

That's valid.