kionga 48 Report post Posted January 16, 2021 The Terps lose to Michigan State 42-0, then follow that up by losing to Minnesota 48-0. I would imagine winning only 1 match out of your first 30 would dampen their enthusiasm for this season. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
calot 222 Report post Posted January 16, 2021 1 hour ago, kionga said: The Terps lose to Michigan State 42-0, then follow that up by losing to Minnesota 48-0. I would imagine winning only 1 match out of your first 30 would dampen their enthusiasm for this season. In a Covid year being at the bottom of the Big 10 is gonna be rough.Cant schedule teams that help your boost confidence getting ready for Big 10 opponents Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cowboy08 29 Report post Posted January 16, 2021 Maryland wrestling has been a train wreck forever Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 2,104 Report post Posted January 16, 2021 Not for nothing but Sparty getting blanked through 157 as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moveurfeet32 99 Report post Posted January 16, 2021 The Maryland vs Indiana match should be a doozy..Both are train wrecks right now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southend 243 Report post Posted January 17, 2021 20 hours ago, moveurfeet32 said: The Maryland vs Indiana match should be a doozy..Both are train wrecks right now Easy now feet! I’m thinking Indiana might be able to contend with both Maryland and Michigan State. But come on here ,you need to give a little love for the changes made recently in all these programs. Rome wasn’t built in a day! 1 moveurfeet32 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bozak2018 97 Report post Posted January 18, 2021 18 hours ago, southend said: Easy now feet! I’m thinking Indiana might be able to contend with both Maryland and Michigan State. But come on here ,you need to give a little love for the changes made recently in all these programs. Rome wasn’t built in a day! It's a process, sure. But results have to come soon. Angel is doing good things, but it will take more than Indiana HS studs to turn the program around. Getting Mendez would be a coup. Getting a guy like him could potentially cause other highly ranked recruits to follow. If they miss on him, then it will be more of the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LordNelson 553 Report post Posted January 18, 2021 Remember when all these programs needed were new coaches? 1 Bozak2018 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southend 243 Report post Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, LordNelson said: Remember when all these programs needed were new coaches? Remember with all programs , it starts with the coach. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DenverWrestler 3 Report post Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) I’m not buying that Coach Clemsen isn’t the guy yet. Last year was tough no doubt, but COVID hasn’t exactly made it easy to get his system fully implemented. Let’s also not forget that he’s got 4 absolute studs coming in with the 2021 class. Edited January 18, 2021 by DenverWrestler 3 RealAmericanHero, flyingcement and Sparky reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southend 243 Report post Posted January 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Bozak2018 said: It's a process, sure. But results have to come soon. Angel is doing good things, but it will take more than Indiana HS studs to turn the program around. Getting Mendez would be a coup. Getting a guy like him could potentially cause other highly ranked recruits to follow. If they miss on him, then it will be more of the same. That said, would you wrestle for a new ,yet unproven coach if you were an elite Hoosier prep, or take the security offer from Cale or Tom ? Your decision . In a couple more years when angels recruits get a few years in the program, then maybe an elite has a little more information about the program to be able to make an informed decision to jump on board or not. It is really a catch 22 when a program is run down so low , and hire a man who has never run a program. So it is what it is, a 5 year look and see for Angel. Ask the boilermakers how the process works. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ionel 2,737 Report post Posted January 18, 2021 Just now, southend said: That said, would you wrestle for a new ,yet unproven coach if you were an elite Hoosier prep, or take the security offer from Cale or Tom ? don't you mean Carl? 1 RealAmericanHero reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southend 243 Report post Posted January 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, ionel said: don't you mean Carl? Yea , he got the Lee boys. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bozak2018 97 Report post Posted January 18, 2021 29 minutes ago, southend said: That said, would you wrestle for a new ,yet unproven coach if you were an elite Hoosier prep, or take the security offer from Cale or Tom ? Your decision . In a couple more years when angels recruits get a few years in the program, then maybe an elite has a little more information about the program to be able to make an informed decision to jump on board or not. It is really a catch 22 when a program is run down so low , and hire a man who has never run a program. So it is what it is, a 5 year look and see for Angel. Ask the boilermakers how the process works. If that new, unproven coach could sell me on his vision of the program, show me that they are headed the right direction and it felt right, then sure I'd accept an offer. If not, then no I wouldn't. the other problem is, while Indiana has some good HS wrestlers, I don't see one in the pipeline on the level of Jesse Mendez. So it might be a while before IU has another shot at a truly elite in-state wrestler. He will have to develop these in-state recruits into all-americans, and the jury is obviously still out on whether he and his staff can do that. This is year 3, so he's got some time, but you would hope to see some improvement by now. 6-12 in 2019, 2-10 last year and so far 0-2 this year with one or two possible dual wins on the schedule left. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lost 146 Report post Posted January 18, 2021 I saw the box scores and had to post a comment - when Michigan State blanks you, you know you've fallen on hard times.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southend 243 Report post Posted January 18, 2021 All good points. But pointing out the Mendez example illustrates another inherent problem for Indiana. Unlike Illinois, Ohio, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, The Hoosier state lacks the volume of the elite. So going to other states with an unproven program for elites creates a huge hurdle to jump. But proven programs make it easy to cherry pick Indiana high elites. Nebraska, Michigan ,Penn state, and Northwestern love that Indiana is down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingrecruit 8 Report post Posted January 18, 2021 Off the top of my head active Indiana studs who left the state Micic Mason Parris Nick Lee and brothers Davison brothers Brayton Lee Chad Red 1 Bozak2018 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bozak2018 97 Report post Posted January 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, southend said: All good points. But pointing out the Mendez example illustrates another inherent problem for Indiana. Unlike Illinois, Ohio, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, The Hoosier state lacks the volume of the elite. So going to other states with an unproven program for elites creates a huge hurdle to jump. But proven programs make it easy to cherry pick Indiana high elites. Nebraska, Michigan ,Penn state, and Northwestern love that Indiana is down. IU has been down for so long, the Indiana HS elites have been leaving the state for decades. Going back to the 80's and 90's, guys like Bud Palmer (Iowa), Keith Davison (wisconsin), Kelvin Jackson (Mich St), Vega (Minny), and into the 00's with Blake Maurer (Ohio St), Tsirtsis (Iowa), Tsirtsis (Northwestern), Howe (Wisconsin), among others. Now the Lee's (PSU), Lee (Minny), Red (Neb), Micic and Parris (Mich). The only 2 highly ranked HS studs that ended up at IU are Coughlin and Angel. I really do hope Angel turns it around, I'm just not that confident. 1 southend reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southend 243 Report post Posted January 18, 2021 33 minutes ago, wrestlingrecruit said: Off the top of my head active Indiana studs who left the state Micic Mason Parris Nick Lee and brothers Davison brothers Brayton Lee Chad Red Silas alred Nebraska 1 wrestlingrecruit reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southend 243 Report post Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, lost said: I saw the box scores and had to post a comment - when Michigan State blanks you, you know you've fallen on hard times.. Again, Maryland stepped up and made a change. Good for them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michigan wrestling 43 Report post Posted January 18, 2021 On 1/16/2021 at 5:08 PM, nhs67 said: Not for nothing but Sparty getting blanked through 157 as well. Actually MSU only won at 184 Malczewski 197 Caffey. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 2,104 Report post Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Michigan wrestling said: Actually MSU only won at 184 Malczewski 197 Caffey. I know. I posted that after Saldate lost and we were still being shut out. 1 Michigan wrestling reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RealAmericanHero 127 Report post Posted January 19, 2021 If you had to place the B1G teams in pods, what would it look like right now? Pod 1: Iowa, PSU, MICH, possibly NEB & OHST. Pod 2: ILL, WISC, MINN, & RUTG Pod 3: MARY, PUR, NW, MSU, and IND Is that close? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southend 243 Report post Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, RealAmericanHero said: If you had to place the B1G teams in pods, what would it look like right now? Pod 1: Iowa, PSU, MICH, possibly NEB & OHST. Pod 2: ILL, WISC, MINN, & RUTG Pod 3: MARY, PUR, NW, MSU, and IND Is that close? Illinois in pod 1 Purdue in pod 2 OSU pod2 Edited January 19, 2021 by southend 1 1 nhs67 and RealAmericanHero reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RealAmericanHero 127 Report post Posted January 19, 2021 1 minute ago, southend said: Illinois in pod 1 Purdue in pod 2 OSU pod2 After this weekend, I can see those moves. Fair enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
