Would Dake have been a 4 timer?

[crooksie26 0]

His freshman year had Nick Gallick of ISU not been injured??? I remember watching nationals that year when a unkown Dake walked away with the title and thinking that Gallick could have won. Gallick i believe was ranked #1 before his injury and had placed Third the year before and 5th the year before that. Oh well it never happened just thought i'd see what others thought.

[74Kilos 0]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Darrion Caldwell was also hurt the following year when Dake won at 149. I seem to remember it being speculated that Dake probably would not have won if Caldwell had wrestled. It would have been an interesting matchup to say the least. I don't think Dake has ever wrestled someone so talented with as wide open a style as Caldwell had. Would have been a fun one!

[BigRedMachine 210]

Freshman year: Dake only won because Gallick was hurt

Sophomore year: Dake only won because Caldwell was hurt

Junior year: Dake only won because St. John hadn't fully recovered from his injury

Senior year: Dake only won because Howe was hurt.

 

Dake really should be a 0 time champion.

[tec87 349]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Darrion Caldwell was also hurt the following year when Dake won at 149. I seem to remember it being speculated that Dake probably would not have won if Caldwell had wrestled. It would have been an interesting matchup to say the least. I don't think Dake has ever wrestled someone so talented with as wide open a style as Caldwell had. Would have been a fun one!

 

Caldwell hurt is shoulder in the 2nd rd against Grajales that year. Caldwell was the #1 seed I think.

[NJDan 1,080]

Dake was actually the 4-seed that year since he lost in the EIWA. And you forgot Russell's redshirt.

 

The larger point is that there is always someone missing. Howe, this year, was missing, byt from 174, not 165.

[BigRedMachine 210]

Dake was actually the 4-seed that year since he lost in the EIWA. And you forgot Russell's redshirt.

 

The larger point is that there is always someone missing. Howe, this year, was missing, byt from 174, not 165.

Dake was the 4 seed as a Sophomore. He was the one seed at 141.

[Vertical 4]

I could be wrong here... But Dake is the guy who showed up all 4 years in a row, hurt or not. He wrestled everybody he was supposed to. Didn't duck, didn't injury default, didn't redshirt. He wrestled the guys in his bracket (ALL 4 of those brackets) that he was supposed to...the guys that weighed in, won, and advanced. I am sure that anybody sitting at home/work/wherever/ could second guess anybody and come up with "what ifs." Some of us aren't even 4X Forum Champions...I know I am not. I think Kyle earned all FOUR of his titles. He joined an elite group of two others and even made a special place of his own.

[NJDan 1,080]

Dake was the 4 seed as a Sophomore. He was the one seed at 141.

 

Yes, but the year he might have faced Caldwell he was at 149 and a soph.

 

Incidentally, as far as I recall, Caldwell was not as great that year as the year before when he beat Metcalf. He missed a lot of the year with injury, perhaps the same injury that knocked him out of the tournament.

[TheOhioState 525]

As a true freshman Dake beat Reese Humphrey in the semifinals and Montell Marion in the finals of the NCAA's. Seems like he was capable of beating great wrestlers from the get-go.

[HuskyHero133 52]

As a true freshman Dake beat Reese Humphrey in the semifinals and Montell Marion in the finals of the NCAA's. Seems like he was capable of beating great wrestlers from the get-go.

 

And that true freshman Dake had already lost to a very good Reese Humphrey during that regular season. So thats even more impressive to me.

[LordNelson 552]

Dake is a crappy Fantasy Wrestler, we all got that.

Can we refrain from the dumb threads??

[JC 17]

Freshman year: Dake only won because Gallick was hurt

Sophomore year: Dake only won because Caldwell was hurt

Junior year: Dake only won because St. John hadn't fully recovered from his injury

Senior year: Dake only won because Howe was hurt.

 

Dake really should be a 0 time champion.

 

 

Oh this thread is more than funny BigRed!

 

The new pages in the college wrestling record books have not even been typeset yet. But so-called wrestling fans are ALREADY plotting and calculating the EASE with which Kyle Dake established his historic mark! Essentially trying to show it really just ain’t so awesome after all!

 

And you know what? Had ANY announcer or commentator so much as hinted that these guys were HURT or injured all throughout Dake’s college wrestling years, this place would BLOW UP with denouncings.

 

Congratulations Kyle Dake! You’ve just become the FIRST 4-Time NCAA wrestling champion because everybody else got HURT!

 

Sheeeeshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

 

JC

[zeeb 0]

While I think it is a legitimate question I think it also just reinforces how hard it is to be a 4 timer... and having the luck and durability to not ever get injured is a big part of that. Could he have beaten Gallick? Maybe, maybe not, but Dake was able to take the mat that year while Gallick wasn't.

[BobDole 1,200]

There is an element of luck involved with winning one title, let alone four titles. Dake could have easily came down with a sickness or been injured or just had one bad day at the wrong time and we would be having topics asking "what if Dake won 4 titles."

[Tofurky 621]

I say Kyle mans up and relents that he is a weak wrestler who got lucky four times in four weak weight classes in which he wrestled and hands over his bracket boards, medals and trophies to Nick Gallick AND Kellen Russell, Darrion Caldwell, someone at 157 who wasn't able to compete and Andrew Howe. Let's face it, Dake is a chump who got lucky four times and wouldn't have been a champ once had any of those guys, including the one I cannot name, had been healthy. :roll:

[aknipp 131]

Freshman year: Dake only won because Gallick was hurt

Sophomore year: Dake only won because Caldwell was hurt

Junior year: Dake only won because St. John hadn't fully recovered from his injury

Senior year: Dake only won because Howe was hurt.

 

Dake really should be a 0 time champion.

Don't forget he ducked JB. Twice. 8-)

[RSabich 9]

"The larger point is that there is always someone missing."

 

Like a winner against him in the finals.

 

As far as wrestling someone who is wide-open, I strongly quetion whether Caldwell racked up the bonus points like DT.

 

I sense some closet Cael nut-huggers (and I like Cael) who can't comprehend that Dake can compare to him.

[Buckeyebison 87]

Freshman year: Dake only won because Gallick was hurt

Sophomore year: Dake only won because Caldwell was hurt

Junior year: Dake only won because St. John hadn't fully recovered from his injury

Senior year: Dake only won because Howe was hurt.

 

Dake really should be a 0 time champion.

Good point however, I believe that Dake would be able to win the NCAAs as a freshman, junior, and senior.

 

Only match that Dake would have trouble in is with Darrion Caldwell. Darrion is quite unpredictable wrestler who can surprise anyone with a move from nowhere.

 

I think Kyle would have beaten Gallick, DSJ, and Andrew Howe. Andrew Howe is the interesting one as he would be similar to Kyle Dake. So, Kyle may be able to beat him in very tight game. (Maybe 3-2?)

[BobDole 1,200]

Howe defeated Dake at the 2011 University Nationals in freestyle.

[IRTYTKY 67]

Dont forget his Sophomore year Dake only won because Molinaro chose down. :roll:

 

Dake's name definitely belongs at least in the conversation of one of the best college wrestlers.

[BigRedMachine 210]

Howe defeated Dake at the 2011 University Nationals in freestyle.

Because we all know freestyle results predict folkstyle results. Metcalf wouldn't stand a chance against Jared Frayer in folkstyle :roll:

[Buckeyebison 87]

Howe defeated Dake at the 2011 University Nationals in freestyle.

I know but how would Andrew fare with Dake's riding style?

[Buckeyebison 87]

Dont forget his Sophomore year Dake only won because Molinaro chose down. :roll:

 

Dake's name definitely belongs at least in the conversation of one of the best college wrestlers.

LOL. Good one. It made me chuckle.

[Old_Marine_Wrestler 245]

When the lights shined brightest, he wrestled best!

 

It's not who wasn't there, it's who was.

 

And if those that weren't wrestled Kyle Dake, maybe he re-drops them (legally) and injures them to where they can't continue. He wins anyway...

[Voice_of_the_Quakers 133]

Good grief, can we stop trying to belittle the accomplishment.

 

Let me put it this way:

 

2010 - beats Montell Marion

2011 - beats future NCAA champion

2012 - beats future NCAA champion

2013 - beats former (and future) NCAA champion