hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted February 1 Social media nonsense aside, how's he gonna do? Obviously he's a big strong athlete, doesn't have anything from a tie up, he doesn't control people with motion and fakes as well as he could...does he have anything on top? I didn't think he did but the ISU kid took neutral in a 1-0 match, is he just that bad on bottom? Obviously I am being pretty critical of a true freshmen but we are talking in the context of a national title contender. I'm not sure I consider him an underdog to anyone...Warner is a bad style match up for him cause his hips are so heavy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WresFan89 11 Report post Posted February 1 I think he’ll finish 4th in the Big 12. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1032004 933 Report post Posted February 1 Does he do the shoot a double from his knees thing a lot? I feel like that isn’t gonna work on some of the top guys Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fletcher 765 Report post Posted February 1 Predict he'll get to third base again this season. 1 1 powershouse and Big Nasty reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ionel 1,466 Report post Posted February 1 (edited) 22 minutes ago, hammerlockthree said: Social media nonsense aside, how's he gonna do? Obviously he's a big strong athlete, doesn't have anything from a tie up, he doesn't control people with motion and fakes as well as he could...does he have anything on top? I didn't think he did but the ISU kid took neutral in a 1-0 match, is he just that bad on bottom? Obviously I am being pretty critical of a true freshmen but we are talking in the context of a national title contender. I'm not sure I consider him an underdog to anyone...Warner is a bad style match up for him cause his hips are so heavy The ISU kid is a freestyle wrestler from Cuba correct, he is going to choose neutral on everyone if he is within 2 pts going into the 3rd. I think Ferrari is a bad style match-up for Warner, don't see Warner winning that. I'd say he is 3rd in B12 of course some rankings have the #1 and #3 in the Big 12. I can't see him beating Adams and not sure on Sloan's style match up. AJ will be a real problem for some of the top guys, he is improving and he will be better after facing Woodley, Sloan and Adams. Edited February 1 by ionel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted February 1 10 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Does he do the shoot a double from his knees thing a lot? I feel like that isn’t gonna work on some of the top guys its not even that that doesn't work against top guys, its more like if you only have one thing it won't work against top guys. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ionel 1,466 Report post Posted February 1 5 minutes ago, hammerlockthree said: its not even that that doesn't work against top guys, its more like if you only have one thing it won't work against top guys. I'm guessing you haven't seen him wrestle if you think he only does one thing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dtry222 29 Report post Posted February 1 I honestly believe he has a chance to win the entire thing at 197 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, ionel said: I'm guessing you haven't seen him wrestle if you think he only does one thing? I've seen him wrestle a bunch. And are you laying a semantic trap? I'll put it this way, do you consider him to have diverse offence? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ionel 1,466 Report post Posted February 1 1 minute ago, hammerlockthree said: I've seen him wrestle a bunch. And are you laying a semantic trap? I'll put it this way, do you consider him to have diverse offence? IDK ... singles and doubles, throw in a high C seems diverse compared to that one thing ankle pick Cael. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted February 1 Just now, ionel said: IDK ... singles and doubles, throw in a high C seems diverse compared to that one thing ankle pick Cael. :) That's a willfully ignorant statement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ionel 1,466 Report post Posted February 1 Just now, hammerlockthree said: That's a willfully ignorant statement. Well ... good grief its a pretty willfully ignorate statement to think he only has one thing from neutral considering who his coach is. Did you ever see John take anyone down with a double, believe AJ had that one coming in, appears he has learned a little bit since arrival. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted February 1 Just now, ionel said: Well ... good grief its a pretty willfully ignorate statement to think he only has one thing from neutral considering who his coach is. Did you ever see John take anyone down with a double, believe AJ had that one coming in, appears he has learned a little bit since arrival. you can't spring the semantic trap if I don't step in it. And nothing you said makes any sense..... 1 Big Nasty reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,953 Report post Posted February 1 He'll get a handle on things for sure. 2 Witherman and BobbyGribbs reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gantry 1,710 Report post Posted February 1 (edited) 43 minutes ago, dtry222 said: I honestly believe he has a chance to win the entire thing at 197 I honestly believe he's going to win the entire thing at 197. His double is one of those "you know it's coming at some point but you can't stop it" type moves. Controls the action in neutral, is a crap talker and dirty (as alluded to earlier the straight up intentionally grabbed the Cuban's junk) which gets people out of their game. Getting 2TDs to zero vs the Cuban is all I need to see, probably unfair bias for me as he's on WV but I've never fully been convinced by Adams. I definitely ain't rooting for him, but Ferrari is my pick to win NCAAs. Edit - also forgot to mention that often freshman do have an early advantage because you don't know their arsenal, so this shortened season will help Ferrari more than his opponents because you don't have a chance to wrestle him 3-4 times to get a feel for him and know what positions to avoid with him. The heavier scouting and familiarity that comes with this is lessened by having so few matches and a much shorter season. Edited February 1 by Gantry 1 hammerlockthree reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted February 1 21 minutes ago, Gantry said: I honestly believe he's going to win the entire thing at 197. His double is one of those "you know it's coming at some point but you can't stop it" type moves. Controls the action in neutral, is a crap talker and dirty (as alluded to earlier the straight up intentionally grabbed the Cuban's junk) which gets people out of their game. Getting 2TDs to zero vs the Cuban is all I need to see, probably unfair bias for me as he's on WV but I've never fully been convinced by Adams. I definitely ain't rooting for him, but Ferrari is my pick to win NCAAs. That's pretty accurate. I don't think he's a jerk, he just talks to much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gantry 1,710 Report post Posted February 2 You did see this right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted February 2 6 minutes ago, Gantry said: You did see this right? lol yeah. I don't consider dirty wrestling to be a jerk move. Schultz was as dirty as gets, universally beloved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nom 984 Report post Posted February 2 What the hell. Was there at least a penalty point? I'm expecting the ref had a better view ... if that is what I think it was .... DQ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted February 2 7 minutes ago, nom said: What the hell. Was there at least a penalty point? I'm expecting the ref had a better view ... if that is what I think it was .... DQ. you never heard of the old 5 on 2? 1 2 Big Nasty, nom and Yellow_Medal reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gantry 1,710 Report post Posted February 2 9 minutes ago, hammerlockthree said: lol yeah. I don't consider dirty wrestling to be a jerk move. Schultz was as dirty as gets, universally beloved. Dirty moves, trash talk, toxic social media behavior, after that UNI match he was jawing so much after the match and the other wrestler was trying to leave the mat that John Smith had to come out and pull him off the mat. Not being snarky here but I'm legit wondering what your threshold is before you consider him a jerk? 2 IfYouAin'tFirstYou'reLast and krippler reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted February 2 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Gantry said: Dirty moves, trash talk, toxic social media behavior, after that UNI match he was jawing so much after the match and the other wrestler was trying to leave the mat that John Smith had to come out and pull him off the mat. Not being snarky here but I'm legit wondering what your threshold is before you consider him a jerk? You make good points. I'll break it down: Already said what I think about dirty moves. I don't know what he wasn't talking back at the UNI meet(the kid he was wrestling has a sordid history with osu)...if I thought he was initiating constantly I would be more annoyed. I already said he talks too much, referring to his social media, not sure I would say anything he has said it "toxic." But bottom line, if his career stays this dramatic (which it probably will based on his history, just doing the benefit of the doubt thing) i'll be in your camp. Edited February 2 by hammerlockthree 1 Gantry reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mphillips 893 Report post Posted February 2 37 minutes ago, Gantry said: You did see this right? "Well that escalated quickly..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gantry 1,710 Report post Posted February 2 OK, I appreciate you explaining. He also posted a pic of Gable's issues with the law (that the charges were dropped for) on twitter today, I consider that pretty toxic behavior on social media. But we'd just be arguing semantics of "jerk" and "toxic" moving forward, and nobody enjoys that so we'll just agree to disagree. I get what you are saying for sure. People have sure as heck have done much worse things than Ferrari, so it's all relatively minor in the grand scheme of things. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,084 Report post Posted February 2 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Gantry said: OK, I appreciate you explaining. He also posted a pic of Gable's issues with the law (that the charges were dropped for) on twitter today, I consider that pretty toxic behavior on social media. But we'd just be arguing semantics of "jerk" and "toxic" moving forward, and nobody enjoys that so we'll just agree to disagree. I get what you are saying for sure. People have sure as heck have done much worse things than Ferrari, so it's all relatively minor in the grand scheme of things. Honestly, its another good point you've made, that is pretty toxic, I just like Gable less than him so i thought it was funny and didn't notice. Edited February 2 by hammerlockthree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
