EIWA Interactive Tournament Seed Projections

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Just now, SetonHallPirate said:

Yes, (yes), and yes.

I guess sharing the altered criteria is out of the question ?   Big secret.

[SetonHallPirate 988]

11 hours ago, Show_Me said:

I guess sharing the altered criteria is out of the question ?   Big secret.

Would have to defer that question to @jdalu75

[bracketbuster 76]

When can we expect EIWA pre-seeds? Curious who is coming for American and what exactly Lehigh's lineup is going to look like.

[Cptafw164 130]

20 hours ago, SetonHallPirate said:

Yes, (yes), and yes.

Fan-freakin-tastic.  Looking forward to another year of horrible seeding.

what are the terms for American?  Same as last year only seeding them as high one seed lower than the AQs?  

[bracketbuster 76]

EIWA Preview is out from the conference: Pre-seeds coming Monday but this gives some clarity to some of the question marks in the lineups. However, teams do have until the coaches meeting Thursday where I believe they challenge seeds to change the lineup for this year only.

https://d2o2figo6ddd0g.cloudfront.net/c/o/2nlwdct2ur0dgg/The_117th_EIWA_Championships_--_2021_Tournament_Preview.pdf

125: Curry looks to be a go for American.

141: No Paetzell at either 133/141 for Lehigh it seems. Hines and McGonagle are listed at both weights previews. Tyler Williams instead of Flores for Drexel. Patrick Ryan for American.

149: Kizhan Clarke is a go.

157: Luca Frinzi (2-1) instead of Burkhart for Lehigh.

174: Tim Fitzpatrick and not Anthony Wokash will fill this weight for American.

184: James Langan (LIU) moving up from 174 lbs. where he wrestled this season. 174 gets 5 bids and 184 6 bids. Dylan Ammerman looks to have won the wrestle-off for Lehigh and will be 184 over Logan.

285: Sean O'Malley entering for Drexel with no dual meets wrestled on the year. 

I can't say I am an expert on the Lehigh depth chart but it looks like they have an even harder hill to climb after some of these lineup changes. Maybe I will be shocked.

[Asa Packer 13]

"Dylan Ammerman looks to have won the wrestle-off for Lehigh and will be 184 over Logan."

No, Ammerman at 184 over JT Davis (& Caden Wright). Logan will be at 174.

But, yes, Navy looks to be the favorite. "Where be Paetzel?" is a question that will eventually be answered for us LU fans.  

[bracketbuster 76]

1 minute ago, Asa Packer said:

"Dylan Ammerman looks to have won the wrestle-off for Lehigh and will be 184 over Logan."

No, Ammerman at 184 over JT Davis (& Caden Wright). Logan will be at 174.

But, yes, Navy looks to be the favorite. "Where be Paetzel?" is a question that will eventually be answered for us LU fans.  

Yes. I stand corrected about the Lehigh 174/184.

Paetzel, I don't get it as a just general wrestling fan either. I believe he was a returning conference champion, debuts up two weights, and loses to a top 10 guy by a point and that is the only match he sees all year.

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5 hours ago, bracketbuster said:

Yes. I stand corrected about the Lehigh 174/184.

Paetzel, I don't get it as a just general wrestling fan either. I believe he was a returning conference champion, debuts up two weights, and loses to a top 10 guy by a point and that is the only match he sees all year.

3rd place last year at 125.

Didn't certify until a couple days before that one match at 141.

Not positive but believe he lost a wrestleoff at 141. 

[funnyfletcher 42]

I thought I saw Paetzell's name in the transfer portal, I'll see if I can find it

 

Nevermind that was Karam

Edited February 22, 2021 by funnyfletcher

[Spladle88 24]

Either Lehigh or Cornell has won the last 19 EIWA Championships.......and 13 of those years whoever didn't win was the runner-up.......Cornell with 11 championships and Lehigh with 8 championships..... took a pandemic to most likely end that streak (barring a stellar performance from a young and depleted Lehigh team)......this is the year though.....after this EIWA, Cornell looking pretty dominant for the next couple years and after that who knows?

Edited February 22, 2021 by Spladle88

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EIWA Preliminary brackets

 

http://arena.flowrestling.org/event/8a9db96b-0239-4a5b-bf89-e66f49e87ae5

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Based on prelim brackets, American is only sending 4 wrestlers.

Edited February 22, 2021 by Show_Me

[lu_alum 917]

11 minutes ago, Show_Me said:

Based on prelim brackets, American is only sending 4 wrestlers.

...and if #3 seeds Curry and Clarke make the finals, they don't qualify for NCAA due to not having enough bouts.

[SetonHallPirate 988]

2 minutes ago, lu_alum said:

...and if #3 seeds Curry and Clarke make the finals, they don't qualify for NCAA due to not having enough bouts.

Unless they get scheduled for matches after EIWAs.

[lu_alum 917]

Just now, SetonHallPirate said:

Unless they get scheduled for matches after EIWAs.

True.  Either that or tank their SF bouts in an attempt to pick up the extra bout in the consolations.

[bracketbuster 76]

 

17 minutes ago, SetonHallPirate said:

Unless they get scheduled for matches after EIWAs.

I would think the EIWA would have to decide that day on their bids?  You would know better than I.

[bracketbuster 76]

Here is the updated interactive bracket with pre-seeds.

Updated predicted team scores:

1. Navy - 127
2. Lehigh - 116.5
3. Army - 114
4. Hofstra - 112
5. Binghamton - 93.5
6. Drexel - 93
7. Bucknell - 81
8. American - 30
9. LIU Post - 28
10. Sacred Heart - 25

[SetonHallPirate 988]

18 minutes ago, bracketbuster said:

 

I would think the EIWA would have to decide that day on their bids?  You would know better than I.

No...wrestlers have until March 7th to get their four matches in.

[bracketbuster 76]

Just now, SetonHallPirate said:

No...wrestlers have until March 7th to get their four matches in.

Who would want to wrestle them though? A guys season is either over and he doesn't want to make weight, is already qualified for nationals and probably doesn't want to risk COVID, or guys waiting at-larges and they don't want to help other guys qualify and shrink the pool.

[jdalu75 119]

25 minutes ago, bracketbuster said:

Who would want to wrestle them though? 

Someone else in the same position?

[bracketbuster 76]

133 sticks out to me as something that will be challenged and has a chance to change.

#2 Miller (#23 CR) (2-1 EIWA starters): lost 6-4 to Montgomery, won vs. LIU/Sacred Heart
#3 Sobotker (2-0 EIWA starters): Won 10-5 vs. Montgomery:, won vs. LIU
#4 Olsen (3-0 EIWA starters): Won 6-3 vs. Lambert, won vs. LIU, Sacred Heart
#5 Lambert (1-1 EIWA starters): Won by fall vs. Montgomery, lost 6-3 vs. Olsen
#6 Montgomery (2-2 vs. EIWA starters): beat Miller, lost by fall to Lambert, lost 10-5 vs. Sobotker

Miller seems to be #2 based solely off of coaches ranking. You could move him to #6 and everybody up one and nobody would be able to argue based off of head-to-head results.

[Show_Me 335]

Don’t expect any Seeds to change.  They won’t even share their Seeding Criteria.

“Lack of transparency” seems to becoming more common in our sport & is certainly not good for fans IMO.

[SetonHallPirate 988]

Just to clarify, the seeding criteria was, in order of importance:

1. Head-to-Head
2. Common Opponents
3. Quality wins (defined as wins over coaches-ranked opponents)
4. Coaches Ranking
5. NCAA All-American
6. EIWA Finalist
7. NCAA Qualifier
8. EIWA Placer

And for those wondering, my ballot was as follows:

125:

1. Jaret Lane, Lehigh
2. Micah Roes, Binghamton
3. Logan Treaster, Navy
4. Dylan Ryder, Hofstra
5. Gage Curry, American
6. Brandon Seidman, Bucknell
7. Bryce Cockrell, Long Island
8. Ryan Chauvin, Army West Point
9. Kyle Waterman, Drexel
10. Cole Meyer, Sacred Heart

133:

1. Anthony Sobotker, Binghamton
2. Malyke Hines, Lehigh
3. Chandler Olson, Drexel
4. Garrett Lambert, Hofstra
5. Mark Montgomery, Army West Point
6. Darren Miller, Bucknell
7. Jacob Allen, Navy
8. Devin Matthews, Long Island
9. Kyle Randall, Sacred Heart

141:

1. Cody Trybus, Navy
2. Zack Trampe, Binghamton
3. Lane Peters, Army West Point
4. Vinny Vespa, Hofstra
5. Tyler Williams, Drexel
6. Drew Witham, Long Island
7. Kurt Phipps, Bucknell
8. Jordan Carlucci, Sacred Heart
9. Connor McGonagle, Lehigh
10. Patrick Ryan, American

149:

1. PJ Ogunsanya, Army West Point
2. Casey Cobb, Navy
3. Jimmy Hoffman, Lehigh
4. Luke Nichter, Drexel
5. Greg Gaxiola, Hofstra
6. Kizhan Clarke, American
7. Michael Zarif, Binghamton
8. Matthew Kolonia, Bucknell
9. Chris Gomez, Long Island
10. Seth Brown, Sacred Heart

157:

1. Holden Heller, Hofstra
2. Markus Hartman, Army West Point
3. Parker Kropman, Drexel
4. Andrew Cerniglia, Navy
5. Luca Frinzi, Lehigh
6. Nick Delp, Bucknell
7. Nick Palumbo, Sacred Heart
8. Rhise Royster, Long Island
9. Chris Barker, Binghamton

165:

1. Zach Hartman, Bucknell
2. Tanner Skidgel, Navy
3. Ricky Stamm, Hofstra
4. Brevin Casella, Binghamton
5. Evan Barczak, Drexel
6. Clayton Fielden, Army West Point
7. Will Schmidt, Sacred Heart
8. Brian Meyer, Lehigh
9. Ryan Ferro, Long Island

174:

1. Michael O'Malley, Drexel
2. Ross McFarland, Hofstra
3. Tim Fitzpatrick, American
4. Jacob Nolan, Binghamton
5. Ben Pasiuk, Army West Point
6. Vincent Andreano, Bucknell
7. Jake Logan, Lehigh
8. Dean Caravela, Navy
9. Thomas DiGennaro, Long Island
10. Pat O'Donnell, Sacred Heart

184:

1. Lou DePrez, Binghamton
2. David Key, Navy
3. Taylor Brown, Army West Point
4. Charles Small, Hofstra
5. Joe Accousti, Sacred Heart
6. Josh Stillings, Drexel
7. James Langan, Long Island
8. Frank Guida, Bucknell
9. Dylan Ammerman, Lehigh

197:

1. Jacob Koser, Navy
2. John Jakobsen, Lehigh
3. JT Brown, Army West Point
4. Bryan McLaughlin, Drexel
5. Trey Rogers, Hofstra
6. Robert Hetherman, Sacred Heart
7. Mason McCready, Bucknell
8. Sam DePrez, Binghamton
9. TJ Frandan, Long Island

285:

1. Jordan Wood, Lehigh
2. John Birchmeier, Navy
3. Robert Heald, Army West Point
4. Zachary Knighton-Ward, Hofstra
5. Joe Doyle, Binghamton
6. Dorian Crosby, Bucknell
7. Tim Nagosky, Long Island
8. Mark Blokh, Sacred Heart
9. Sean O'Malley, Drexel

[bracketbuster 76]

1 hour ago, SetonHallPirate said:

Just to clarify, the seeding criteria was, in order of importance:

1. Head-to-Head
2. Common Opponents
3. Quality wins (defined as wins over coaches-ranked opponents)
4. Coaches Ranking
5. NCAA All-American
6. EIWA Finalist
7. NCAA Qualifier
8. EIWA Placer

Thanks! So I guess my question/statement would be if head-to-head is #1, then 133 seems incorrect based off of that and #2 at least within the conference (not sure about beyond)? I don't want to come off as argumentative as I have no dog in the fight. I am just genuinely interested in the process that goes into it. Although your ranked list doesn't match the pre-seeds exactly it does seems to make more sense than the pre-seed (at least in my head).

[SetonHallPirate 988]

3 minutes ago, bracketbuster said:

Thanks! So I guess my question/statement would be if head-to-head is #1, then 133 seems incorrect based off of that and #2 at least within the conference (not sure about beyond)? I don't want to come off as argumentative as I have no dog in the fight. I am just genuinely interested in the process that goes into it. Although your ranked list doesn't match the pre-seeds exactly it does seems to make more sense than the pre-seed (at least in my head).

I have no way of getting into the heads of the rest of the people on the committee, however, I can say that I tried my best to follow the criteria exactly.