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31 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I'm not sure I buy this.  Even though states like NJ, CA and IN are tough with only 1 division, you probably still need to at least place to be able to wrestle D1 competitively.  I don't think coaches are stupid, they probably just consider a lower end placing in one of those states equivalent to a higher end placing in some other states.

There’s a lot of kids who would place if there was two divisions and get looks and they’d be good enough. Besides if people want to obsess bout da purity.. forget these regional state tournament. Go to Fargo and Super 32

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6 minutes ago, jp157 said:

There’s a lot of kids who would place if there was two divisions and get looks and they’d be good enough. Besides if people want to obsess bout da purity.. forget these regional state tournament. Go to Fargo and Super 32

Well yeah my point was they probably need to place top 8 in the current tournament.   If you split it up may need to place top 5 or so.

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2 minutes ago, jp157 said:

Why

Because if you water down the field by splitting up the divisions the guys that place in the bottom half aren't as good.

Outside of PA I'm not sure you'd find many successful D1 wrestlers that never placed higher than 5th in a state with split divisions.

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6 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Because if you water down the field by splitting up the divisions the guys that place in the bottom half aren't as good.

Outside of PA I'm not sure you'd find many successful D1 wrestlers that never placed higher than 5th in a state with split divisions.

Ohio does .. and placing top 8 in two divisions in a state with more programs that any other 3 states combined won’t water it down. additionally, if one cares about purity. Go play with the big boys nationally. 
 

Smaller programs having relative success helps builds numbers and depth. Gives kids more exposure. Even Ben Askren talked about how many deserving California kids were passed over by Arizona kids who had better “on paper resumes” when he was a coach at ASU. 
 

The state tournaments and scholastic wrestling should be used to grow the sport and provide opportunities for relative success for big and small teams. If one wants prestige or to brag about purity, they should go to Reno, Fargo and Super32

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Its doesnt tend to break down by state in my experience.  there are pockets of great wrestling in all different sorts of places.  Lehigh Valley, PA is the most competitive on a local level.  Within a small rural part of PA each year there are consistently producing national talent

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On 3/11/2021 at 1:05 PM, jp157 said:

There are a lot of kids who didn’t get offers or the chance to go higher level. It most definitely hurts more than helps. 

 

46 minutes ago, jp157 said:

Ohio does .. and placing top 8 in two divisions in a state with more programs that any other 3 states combined won’t water it down. additionally, if one cares about purity. Go play with the big boys nationally. 
 

Smaller programs having relative success helps builds numbers and depth. Gives kids more exposure. Even Ben Askren talked about how many deserving California kids were passed over by Arizona kids who had better “on paper resumes” when he was a coach at ASU. 
 

The state tournaments and scholastic wrestling should be used to grow the sport and provide opportunities for relative success for big and small teams. If one wants prestige or to brag about purity, they should go to Reno, Fargo and Super32

What you are saying may be true with California but it doesn’t apply to NJ ...

2 examples, Anthony ashnaults brother was a state finalist as a sophomore, then he didn’t place again for the the next 2 years including losing first round as a senior, yet he had multiple D offers just based on the fact he made a final 2 years prior

and the other end of spectrum I was friends with a kid who immigrated here and his family didn’t have the resources to take him to super 32 or any big tournaments, they could barely pay their bills and he went into senior Year states with 0 offers and interest, then he goes on a big run and with in a week had 2 offers and it literally changed the whole trajectory of his life 

 

with multiple divisions that ashnault 2nd place finish from 2 years prior probably doesn’t get him to many offers and a big run at the end of your senior probably doesn’t hold as much weight if the states split up into multiple groups 

the one state tournament definitely helps more wrestlers in NJ than it harms 

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10 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said:

 

What you are saying may be true with California but it doesn’t apply to NJ ...

2 examples, Anthony ashnaults brother was a state finalist as a sophomore, then he didn’t place again for the the next 2 years including losing first round as a senior, yet he had multiple D offers just based on the fact he made a final 2 years prior

and the other end of spectrum I was friends with a kid who immigrated here and his family didn’t have the resources to take him to super 32 or any big tournaments, they could barely pay their bills and he went into senior Year states with 0 offers and interest, then he goes on a big run and with in a week had 2 offers and it literally changed the whole trajectory of his life 

 

with multiple divisions that ashnault 2nd place finish from 2 years prior probably doesn’t get him to many offers and a big run at the end of your senior probably doesn’t hold as much weight if the states split up into multiple groups 

the one state tournament definitely helps more wrestlers in NJ than it harms 

How many schools have wrestling in jersey

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2 hours ago, 1032004 said:

This year would probably be:

PA:

125: Lee

133: Desanto/Myers/Phillippi

141: Cole Matthews (or bump up someone from 133?)

149: Sasso

157: Hidlay

165: Wentzel/Smith

174: Kemerer

184: Hidlay

197: Bonaccorsi/Bulsak/Beard

285: Laird/Wood

 

NJ:

125: Howard

133: Cannon

141: Rivera

149: VanBrill

157: van der Merwe

165: Lewis/Griffith

174: O'Malley/Fitzpatrick (or bump up one of the 165's?)

184: Poznanski

197: Janzer

285: no qualifier, 197 also has McLaughlin of Drexel

 

IL: 

125: Ragusin

133: McGee/Hayes/Madrigal/Van Vleet

141: Duncan

149: O'Connor

157: Coleman/Lewan/Hartman

165: Braunagel/Keating

174: no qualifier, could bump up one of the 165's

184: Braunagel

197: Norfleet/Schultz/Warner/Caffey

285: Cassioppi

 

OH:

125: no qualifier

133: Byrd

141: Demas/Hart

149: Andonian

157: Carr

165: Marinelli

174: Romero/McNally

184: Kent/Jordan

197: Brown/Smith

285: Spaulding


CA:

125: Cronin

133: Rich/Turner/Allen

141: Polanco/Lloren/Flores/Martinoni

149: Abas/Omania/Parco/Gaxiola

157: Thomas/Saldate

165: Valencia

174: Mantanona

184: Reyes/Ducharme

197: no qualifiers, I guess can bump up one of those 184's

285: no qualifier

For the number of qualifiers, CA doesn't seem to have many studs.


NY:

125: Roes

133: Redding/Carter

141: Vespa

149: no qualifier

157: Dellavechia/Teemer

165: Barczak/Stamm

174: Logan/Nolan

184: Deprez

197: no qualfier

285: Wilson

 

Iowa's not bad: 

125: Teske

133: Price/West

141: no qualifier

149: Blockhus/Lara

157: deVos

165: Yant

174: Runyon

184: Brands/Lyon

197: Coleman

285: Gremmel

 

Indiana:

125: Hildebrandt

133: no qualifier

141: Lee

149: Rooks

157: Lee

165: Tucker/Lee

174: Washington/Hughes

184: no qualifier

197: Davison

285: Parris

 

Michigan:
125: Schroder/Foley

133: Trombley

141: Simon

149: Storr

157: no qualifier

165: Amine

174: Massa

184: Malczewski

197: Amine

285: Hillger

 

Missouri (almost all Mizzou guys per usual)

125: no qualifier

133: Schmitt

141: Eierman

149: Mauller

157: Jacques

165: no qualifier, they did also have McClure of UNC at 157

174: no qualifier

184: Wilson/Kent

197: Elam

285: Elam/Lance 

 

Minnesota: decent squad that was still able to field 9 weights among 11 qualifiers

125: McKee

133: no qualifier

141: Carlson

149: Parriott

157: Berge

165: Robb

174: Allar

184: Venz

197: Rogers

285: Steveson

 

Colorado's got a sneaky good team despite a couple FF's:

125: Heinselman

133: Schwartz

141: Willits

149: Finesilver (plus Alirez who's out)

157: Deakin

165: no qualifier, but did also have the other Willits at 157

174: no qualifier

184: Samuelson

197: no qualifier

285: Schultz

 

 

was going off this list, sorry if I missed any: https://news.theopenmat.com/college-wrestling-news/2021-ncaa-division-i-qualifiers-with-home-states-and-hometowns/80190

I would put Truax in at 174 for California.  You are correct though, I expected some more top end power from CA.  It's not there this year.

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On 3/11/2021 at 1:00 PM, Plasmodium said:

Colorado in double digits.   Seems like an improvement.   University of Wyoming has wrestlers from 6 states going.  Can any other school beat that? 

Nebraska has 8 of their 9 qualifiers from different states. Only Robb, and Venz are from the same state of Minnesota.

Other states represented are California,Indiana,Idaho, Nebraska,Missouri, Pennsylvania, Illinois

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3 hours ago, 1032004 said:

NC State has 7 too: CT, Michigan, OH, PA, GA, TX, NY

UNC has 7: FL, IL, MO, TX, CA, GA, PA

Nebraska 7 also: CA, IN, Idaho, Nebraska, MN, PA, IL

Purdue has 7: MI, IL, Montana, MN, PA, Iowa, Indiana

Navy has 8 which is the most I see!: Kansas, California, Maryland, Idaho, PA, Oklahoma, GA, VA

Nebraska.... Christian Lance is from Missouri

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1 hour ago, Antitroll2828 said:

302 

broken down into 32 districts and 8 regions 

Ah okay. That’s about the limit I think for one division. My point stands for Cali

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16 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

So they have 8 states represented then?

Yes Nine qualifiers, but Robb and Venz are both from Minnesota, and everyone else from a different state.

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You probably won't even notice that Delaware has zero qualifiers this year.  Sure it's a small state, but there have been some great wrestlers that have come out of there over the years.  Telford being one of the more recent successes.  But unfortunately the youth system, which had been run by the CYO, stopped the wrestling program a number of years back.  There are clubs that kids can join, but no longer the school teams like they used to have.  It's hard to compete when the youth systems are struggling to stay alive.  

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Just an in my head calculation Iowa slightly ahead of PA and ND on a per capita basis, I don't think anyone else is that close. 

Is it surprising that South Dakota has zero, I would have thought they were not that far behind ND?

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On 3/12/2021 at 12:10 PM, Antitroll2828 said:

 

2019 NJ would have won ncaas

125- Rivera 3rd

133- suriano 1st

141- McKenna 2nd

149- Ashnault 1st

157 van brill RD 16

165 Lewis 1st

174- McFadden 5th

184 Martin 3rd

197 - no qualifier 

285- Cassar 1st

 

I would guess that PA would win this basically every year but 2019 no one was stopping a team NJ  4 champs, a 2nd, two 3rds , and a 5th 

125- Rivera 15; Lee 24.5

133- Suriano 23; Pletcher 13.5

141- McKenna 19.5; Shoop 8.5

149- Ashnault 21; Maruca 0.5

157 - Van Brill 4.5; Nolf 26

165 - Lewis 22; Joseph 18

174 - McFadden 11; Labriola 9

184 - Martin 17.5; Preisch 14.5

197 - N/A 0; Sleigh/Laird 2

285 - Cassar 24; Wood 12.5

157.5 (1st) ; 129 (3rd, behind NJ and PSU) Also have guys like Hidlay, DeSanto, Marstellar and Kaleb Young scoring 12-15 points but getting buried.

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5 minutes ago, Tnc31 said:

125- Rivera 15; Lee 24.5

133- Suriano 23; Pletcher 13.5

141- McKenna 19.5; Shoop 8.5

149- Ashnault 21; Maruca 0.5

157 - Van Brill 4.5; Nolf 26

165 - Lewis 22; Joseph 18

174 - McFadden 11; Labriola 9

184 - Martin 17.5; Preisch 14.5

197 - N/A 0; Sleigh/Laird 2

285 - Cassar 24; Wood 12.5

157.5 (1st) ; 129 (3rd, behind NJ and PSU) Also have guys like Hidlay, DeSanto, Marstellar and Kaleb Young scoring 12-15 points but getting buried.

Technically penn state would only finish with 113.5 without Cassar scoring, pa would finish 2nd behind jersey 

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10 minutes ago, MadMardigain said:

I’ve seen a few numbers per state list.  But haven’t seems a names list yet.  

Looking For

  • 202X D1 College Program Participant count by state | <data source>


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Which states have the highest number of D1 college programs?

ID Wrestler Home State D1 College Program Count
1 Pennsylvania 11
2 New York 7
3 North Carolina 7
4 Ohio 4
5 Illinois 4
6 California 4
7 Virginia 4

 

Which states have the highest number of high school participants?

ID Wrestler Home State D1 College Program Count D1 NCAA Qualifiers High School Participants
1 California 4 24 22602
2 Illinois 4 29 14170
3 New York 7 16 11184
4 Texas 0 4 10998
5 Ohio 4 28 10313
6 New Jersey 3 19 9648
7 Pennsylvania 11 49 9460

 

Which states have the most number of high school programs?

ID Wrestler Home State D1 College Program Count D1 NCAA Qualifiers High School Participants High School Programs
1 California 4 24 22602 904
2 Ohio 4 28 10313 619
3 Pennsylvania 11 49 9460 473
4 Michigan 3 13 9167 466
5 New York 7 16 11184 449
6 Illinois 4 29 14170 423
7 Florida 0 6 7789 395
8 Georgia 0 12 7943 367
9 Texas 0 4 10998 365
10 Minnesota 1 11 8058 343

 

Which states have the best rate of D1 NCAA National Tourney Qualifiers as compared to High School Participants?  Pennsylvania!

ID Wrestler Home State D1 College Program Count D1 NCAA Qualifiers High School Participants High School Programs HS Participant to D1 NCAA Qualifier
1 Pennsylvania 11 49 9460 473 193
2 North Dakota 1 3 889 94 296
3 New Hampshire 0 2 705 42 353
4 Ohio 4 28 10313 619 368
5 Montana 0 3 1380 97 460

 

Which states do not have a D1 program?  Which ones have NCAA National Tourney Qualifiers and which do not?  Georgia and Kansas stick out per capita.  Give them a program!

ID Wrestler Home State D1 College Program Count D1 NCAA Qualifiers High School Participants
1 Georgia 0 12 7943
2 Florida 0 6 7789
3 Kansas 0 6 4724
4 Texas 0 4 10998
5 Washington 0 3 9251
6 Idaho 0 3 2519
7 Montana 0 3 1380
8 New Hampshire 0 2 705
9 Alabama 0 1 3080
10 Nevada 0 1 1976
11 Kentucky 0 1 1902
12 New Mexico 0 1 1629
13 Alaska 0 1 1249
14 Hawaii 0 1 1113
15 Louisiana 0 0 1772
16 Delaware 0 0 872
17 Maine 0 0 719
18 Vermont 0 0 114
19 Mississippi 0 0 25

Which states have the best rate of NCAA National Tourney Qualifiers per D1 Program?  Missouri, Wisconsin, and Indiana... per capita!

ID Wrestler Home State D1 College Program Count D1 NCAA Qualifiers High School Participants High School Programs HS Participant to D1 NCAA Qualifier D1 NCAA Qualifier to D1 Program Count Rate
1 Missouri 1 12 6458 252 538 12
2 Minnesota 1 11 8058 343 733 11
3 Wisconsin 1 8 6669 336 834 8
4 Illinois 4 29 14170 423 489 7
5 Ohio 4 28 10313 619 368 7
6 Indiana 2 13 6363 314 489 7

Which states have the worst rate of NCAA National Tourney Qualifiers per D1 Program?  North Carolina needs to work on their farm system!

ID Wrestler Home State D1 College Program Count D1 NCAA Qualifiers High School Participants High School Programs HS Participant to D1 NCAA Qualifier D1 NCAA Qualifier to D1 Program Count Rate
20 South Carolina 2 0 4530 147 NA 0
21 South Dakota 1 0 1583 113 NA 0
22 Arkansas 1 0 1137 52 NA 0
23 Rhode Island 1 0 825 34 NA 0
24 District of Columbia 1 0 183 9 NA 0
25 North Carolina 7 3 7754 337 2585 0

Where states have the best in-state rate of high school participants compared to D1 programs? North Carolina and Pennsylvania!  The high volume of high school participants and D1 programs in Pennsylvania supports the high number of D1 National Qualifiers.  Having a high number of opportunities for NC high school participants to stay local... might indicate a quality gap when considering the state has a low number of D1 National Qualifiers.

ID Wrestler Home State D1 College Program Count D1 NCAA Qualifiers High School Participants High School Programs HS Participant to D1 NCAA Qualifier D1 NCAA Qualifier to D1 Program Count Rate HS Participant to D1 Program Rate
20 District of Columbia 1 0 183 9 NA 0 183
21 Rhode Island 1 0 825 34 NA 0 825
22 Pennsylvania 11 49 9460 473 193 4 860
23 North Dakota 1 3 889 94 296 3 889
24 North Carolina 7 3 7754 337 2585 0 1108
25 Arkansas 1 0 1137 52 NA 0 1137
26 Wyoming 1 1 1395 53 1395 1 1395
27 Virginia 4 6 6229 270 1038 2 1557
28 South Dakota 1 0 1583 113 NA 0 1583
29 New York 7 16 11184 449 699 2 1598

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