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change my mind... 4 for 4 when they were not favored in three.. PSU avenged previous losses and had at least one major upset. PSU is at another level of coaching and preparing kids for success. They are young, and can't compete with Iowa's 6-year seniors, but they looked way better tonight. If I was a fan of any other program I would worry once again about how the finals position PSU to recruit top talent.

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change my mind... 4 for 4 when they were not favored in three.. PSU avenged previous losses and had at least one major upset. PSU is at another level of coaching and preparing kids for success. They are young, and can't compete with Iowa's 6-year seniors, but they looked way better tonight. If I was a fan of any other program I would worry once again about how the finals position PSU to recruit top talent.
Change your mind from something you've believed before tonight? Sure. If they had the better coaching they would have won. That's what we've heard when they've been winning the team titles and Iowa fans were arguing about "developing talent," etc.

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Courtesy the Senator.

Over the last 10 NCAA tournaments

Overall winning percentage
Higher seeds are 148-52 or a 74% winning percentage if you are the higher/better seed.

Higher W/L- Record as the higher seed
Lower W/L- Record as the lower seed

Team W/L % Higher W/L % Lower W/L %
Lock Haven 1-0 100.00% 0-0 0.00% 1-0 100.00%
South Dakota State 2-0 100.00% 2-0 100.00% 0-0 0.00%
West Virginia 1-0 100.00% 0-0 0.00% 1-0 100.00%
Penn State 40-5 88.89% 33-0 100.00% 7-5 58.33%
Illinois 6-2 75.00% 6-0 100.00% 0-2 0.00%
Stanford 3-1 75.00% 0-1 0.00% 3-0 100.00%
Arizona State 5-2 71.43% 4-1 80.00% 1-1 50.00%
Boise State 2-1 66.67% 2-0 100.00% 0-1 0.00%
Wyoming 2-1 66.67% 1-0 100.00% 1-1 50.00%
Lehigh 7-4 63.64% 2-2 50.00% 5-2 71.43%
Iowa State 3-2 60.00% 2-0 100.00% 1-2 33.33%
Oklahoma State 17-12 58.62% 16-2 88.89% 1-10 9.09%
Edinboro 4-3 57.14% 2-1 66.67% 2-2 50.00%
Oklahoma 4-3 57.14% 2-1 66.67% 2-2 50.00%
Cornell 14-12 53.85% 12-4 75.00% 2-8 20.00%
Iowa 17-15 53.13% 11-2 84.62% 6-13 31.58%
Ohio State 17-16 51.52% 14-6 70.00% 3-10 23.08%
Cal Poly 1-1 50.00% 0-0 0.00% 1-1 50.00%
Maryland 1-1 50.00% 1-1 50.00% 0-0 0.00%
Nebraska 3-3 50.00% 3-0 100.00% 0-3 0.00%
North Carolina State 6-6 50.00% 6-1 85.71% 0-5 0.00%
Pittsburgh 3-3 50.00% 3-1 75.00% 0-2 0.00%
Rider 1-1 50.00% 0-0 0.00% 1-1 50.00%
Minnesota 8-9 47.06% 6-2 75.00% 2-7 22.22%
Rutgers 3-4 42.86% 1-0 100.00% 2-4 33.33%
Michigan 6-9 40.00% 5-3 62.50% 1-6 14.29%
Virginia 2-3 40.00% 1-0 100.00% 1-3 25.00%
Indiana 1-2 33.33% 1-0 100.00% 0-2 0.00%
Kent State 2-4 33.33% 1-1 50.00% 1-3 25.00%
North Carolina 2-4 33.33% 1-0 100.00% 1-4 20.00%
Missouri 6-14 30.00% 6-7 46.15% 0-7 0.00%
Northwestern 3-7 30.00% 1-4 20.00% 2-3 40.00%
Wisconsin 3-7 30.00% 2-2 50.00% 1-5 16.67%
Virginia Tech 2-9 18.18% 0-2 0.00% 2-7 22.22%
American 1-5 16.67% 0-2 0.00% 1-3 25.00%
Northern Iowa 1-5 16.67% 1-1 50.00% 0-4 0.00%
Appalachian State 0-1 0.00% 0-0 0.00% 0-1 0.00%
Bucknell 0-1 0.00% 0-1 0.00% 0-0 0.00%
Central Michigan 0-3 0.00% 0-2 0.00% 0-1 0.00%
Citadel 0-1 0.00% 0-0 0.00% 0-1 0.00%
Clarion 0-1 0.00% 0-0 0.00% 0-1 0.00%
Columbia 0-1 0.00% 0-0 0.00% 0-1 0.00%
Duke 0-3 0.00% 0-0 0.00% 0-3 0.00%
Hofstra 0-1 0.00% 0-0 0.00% 0-1 0.00%
North Dakota State 0-1 0.00% 0-0 0.00% 0-1 0.00%
Old Dominion 0-2 0.00% 0-0 0.00% 0-2 0.00%
Oregon State 0-3 0.00% 0-0 0.00% 0-3 0.00%
Princeton 0-3 0.00% 0-1 0.00% 0-2 0.00%
Utah Valley 0-3 0.00% 0-1 0.00% 0-2 0.00%

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11 hours ago, Elevator said:

Any sign that Casey Cunningham is interested in becoming a head coach?   

I think with all the openings over the  years the Michigan job was the only one he applied to.   It would take a major program for him to leave, probably top5ish

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I got this off another board so not sure how true it is, but here are the number of participants in Olympic Trials from respective College.  If true it is hard to argue Penn St. isn't doing something right with their coaching..so we are clear, I am not a Penn St. guy...but I do enjoy watching some of them wrestle.  Am surprised to not see Iowa on the list...I thought I read somewhere that they have 1 participant?

1. Penn State - 12
2. Minnesota - 6
2. Ohio State - 6
2. Cornell - 6
5. Oklahoma St. - 4
5. Wisconsin - 4

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Cunningham can make a serious argument as being the top assistant/upper weight coach in the nation and has Cael right behind him as an upper weight guy and is a much stronger combo than T&T with lightweights.

But I do not think it was a stroke of coaching genius when it came to Eierman vs Lee and Kemerer vs Starocci.  The PSU guys were patient, picked their spots wisely and let the Iowa guys push forward and shoot (no change from their Big 10 strategy).  The difference between PSU pulling that off while no other school could is they had the guys/athletes to pull it off.

 

For example, everyone knows what Spencer Lee is going to do on top but 99.99% of wrestlers at 125 cannot stop it. 

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34 minutes ago, hammerlockthree said:

Having four champs and getting 2nd takes them OUT of the discussion for best staff.

I have a hard time believing that Iowa having two better years, and maybe 3 should they win next year, automatically puts their staff ahead of PSU. And as far as your argument goes that's the only staff that competes. And I really don't want to try to defend PSU. They have plenty of psu diehards for that, its just two years is too small of a sample size to say PSUs staff isn't the best right now though.

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1 minute ago, Molsen said:

I have a hard time believing that Iowa having two better years, and maybe 3 should they win next year, automatically puts their staff ahead of PSU. And as far as your argument goes that's the only staff that competes. And I really don't want to try to defend PSU. They have plenty of psu diehards for that, its just two years is too small of a sample size to say PSUs staff isn't the best right now though.

I don't really think its a conclusive argument either but its worth pointing out. Their best year all their finalists were champs. They get the most talented kids and do very little some of them. 

As far as Iowa being the only team worthy of comparison, that only makes sense if we are including recruiting as part of the coaching process, which is fine if you want, but if we are talking about who does the most with the talent they have its not PSU.

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9 minutes ago, hammerlockthree said:

I don't really think its a conclusive argument either but its worth pointing out. Their best year all their finalists were champs. They get the most talented kids and do very little some of them. 

As far as Iowa being the only team worthy of comparison, that only makes sense if we are including recruiting as part of the coaching process, which is fine if you want, but if we are talking about who does the most with the talent they have its not PSU.

The Iowa being the only team worth of comparison was solely based off what you said, they took 2nd with 4 champs so they aren't the best staff, because Iowa was the only team able to actually beat them. I think there are some great staffs out there that can't compete with the recruiting that those two have. But recruiting is apart of it. And you can't ignore the adjustments PSU made.

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2 minutes ago, Molsen said:

The Iowa being the only team worth of comparison was solely based off what you said, they took 2nd with 4 champs so they aren't the best staff, because Iowa was the only team able to actually beat them. I think there are some great staffs out there that can't compete with the recruiting that those two have. But recruiting is apart of it. And you can't ignore the adjustments PSU made.

I see what you mean but I wasn't basing my conception of the staffs on a single year. 

I'm not ignoring anything I am just saying they ignore half the team. 

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1 minute ago, hammerlockthree said:

I see what you mean but I wasn't basing my conception of the staffs on a single year. 

I'm not ignoring anything I am just saying they ignore half the team. 

Well I mean they did get rid of the national duals so that no one could question them when 5 guys carry them to a championship. 

So I can't argue it.

Basically I hit my quota for defending psu.

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17 minutes ago, Molsen said:

Well I mean they did get rid of the national duals so that no one could question them when 5 guys carry them to a championship. 

So I can't argue it.

Basically I hit my quota for defending psu.

To be fair, if half your team is guaranteed to win, and likely by bonus, you're probably winning every dual you show up to anyways, no?

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14 minutes ago, Perry said:

To be fair, if half your team is guaranteed to win, and likely by bonus, you're probably winning every dual you show up to anyways, no?

I mean a team with top guys also wrestling your top guys, but also have better guys wrestling your weak links, could very easily win that match right? A full team effort?

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Is there even 1 year where PSU won NCAAs that a team, any team, finished higher than PSU at 5 weights and aslo had more bonus pts than PSU. Probably not an impossibility but I doubt it has happened. 

PSU would have won the lesser event every year they won the big event if they wanted to. 

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5 minutes ago, TBar1977 said:

Is there even 1 year where PSU won NCAAs that a team, any team, finished higher than PSU at 5 weights and aslo had more bonus pts than PSU. Probably not an impossibility but I doubt it has happened. 

PSU would have won the lesser event every year they won the big event if they wanted to. 

I was waiting for the incomprehensibly dumb post to drop.....

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4 minutes ago, TBar1977 said:

Is there even 1 year where PSU won NCAAs that a team, any team, finished higher than PSU at 5 weights and aslo had more bonus pts than PSU. Probably not an impossibility but I doubt it has happened. 

PSU would have won the lesser event every year they won the big event if they wanted to. 

I can't answer that. But are you suggesting that psu purposely lost because they felt like it? I'd assume they came out and competed to win, and it didn't work out. But they did win the NCAAs which is all that really matters apparently. 

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9 minutes ago, TBar1977 said:

Is there even 1 year where PSU won NCAAs that a team, any team, finished higher than PSU at 5 weights and aslo had more bonus pts than PSU. Probably not an impossibility but I doubt it has happened. 

PSU would have won the lesser event every year they won the big event if they wanted to. 

Wait, did they not want to beat Iowa or MN in 2010/11? MN in 2011/12? Iowa in 2012/13? MN in 2013/14?

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22 minutes ago, simple said:

Wait, did they not want to beat Iowa or MN in 2010/11? MN in 2011/12? Iowa in 2012/13? MN in 2013/14?

Not at any post season dual that occurs when PSU peaks. Had they had replaced the NCAA tournament with National Duals in those years, Penn State would have won. 

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