Make the Regular Season Matter

[BigTenFanboy 1,790]

1 minute ago, ugarte said:

well-deserved reward for beating the #2 guy in the country! abilene christian just got the same reward.

So the regular season doesnt matter. Only the NCAA Tournament.

And FYI, I like the way things are now. Just pointing out a way to make what happens during the regular season impact what happens at the championships.

[simple 301]

Some insane person would tank the regular season and barely qualify as the last seed just so they complete some vision quest to beat the 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 seeds all in a row.

[ugarte 526]

Just now, BigTenFanboy said:

So the regular season doesnt matter. Only the NCAA Tournament.

And FYI, I like the way things are now. Just pointing out a way to make what happens during the regular season impact what happens at the championships.

it matters enough to set the bracket, that's real and meaningful. there are tournaments that reseed - ECAC hockey reseeds it's conference tournament after the first round - but in general i hate it.

[BigTenFanboy 1,790]

4 minutes ago, simple said:

Some insane person would tank the regular season and barely qualify as the last seed just so they complete some vision quest to beat the 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 seeds all in a row.

Well.. thats punishment for having the 32nd worst performance during the regular season!

[simple 301]

2 minutes ago, BigTenFanboy said:

Well.. thats punishment for having the 32nd worst performance during the regular season!

Lol I mean intentionally tank and purposely set themself up for that scenario! I could see Ferrari doing it

Edited March 21, 2021 by simple

[RichB 227]

So the no 32 seed would need to beat, 33, then 1, Then 2. Then 3. then 4, then, in the finals, 5.

[BigTenFanboy 1,790]

1 minute ago, RichB said:

So the no 32 seed would need to beat, 33, then 1, Then 2. Then 3. then 4, then, in the finals, 5.

Yes. For the 33 seed to win.

[Full Nelson 69]

2 hours ago, 152lbs said:

No need for a dual meet tournament.  It has already been tried and it failed.  Time to move on and let it go.

A duals tournament with nothing at stake has been tried many times.

Declaring the winner the national champion is new and changes everything.

[gimpeltf 2,085]

32 minutes ago, RichB said:

So the no 32 seed would need to beat, 33, then 1, Then 2. Then 3. then 4, then, in the finals, 5.

True. I was thinking about this idea and was focusing more on the ability to follow and even print (not necessarily on paper) brackets. Each round would be as wide as the first round with spaced columns between. Because you couldn't easily print only the last name and have that be used as both winner of previous round  and competitor of next. Probably would need full name and school like first round. The programming wouldn't be particularly hard but the visual appeal would be low.

It would be a little like the Swiss System with elimination after two losses.

[GockeS 549]

On 3/21/2021 at 3:48 AM, BigTenFanboy said:

So year in year out we hear how the regular season is meaningless and how NCAA'S is all that matters. How about this idea to make the regular season have more importance.

 

1. Create an objective point system to determine seeding points. Based on reg season record, strength of competition, etc etc.

Then... heres the real kicker.

2. Reshuffle the brackets after each round at NCAAs with the highest seeded wrestler facing the lowest seeded wrestler.

IE.

During round 1 lets say the 32 seed beats the number 1 seed.

During round 2, the number 2 effectively seed becomes the 1 seed and gets paired with the lowest seeded wrestler that won during round 1. The 3 seed becomes 2.. faces the 2nd lowest surviving wrestler... and so forth.

This way the regular season actually impacts not just the seeds for round 1, but through out the entire torunament and the highest seeded surviving wrestler gets to most advantage based on his performance during the regular season.

why punish the lowest seed for getting an upset? 

[Lurker 2,049]

On 3/21/2021 at 12:20 PM, BigTenFanboy said:

Shouldnt the low seed be punished for their regular season performance?

The inherit advantage/disadvantage for your regular season performance is in fact...wait for it...the seeding. Once you get there, let the best man win. Why....in the world...would you want to punish athletes for pulling off upsets against higher seeds.  For the sake of reshuffling a bracket every round, athletes, coaches, and fans alike never really knowing whose in what quarter bracket every round, what match winner you have next, etc etc. 

And in all of this, I don’t see how this makes the season matter more at all

[lu_alum 924]

On 3/21/2021 at 3:22 PM, potentiallydangerous said:

Wrestling tournaments are double elimination to allow wrestlers a second chance to prove in competition where they belong in the standings, in case they were seeded incorrectly. Reseeding after each championship round defeats that purpose, if it were implemented, then tournaments should be single elimination. If you want the top seeded ones to have that extra advantage, the trade off is, if they lose, they're out.

I still disagree with re-seeding after each round.

However, building on the example at 197 described above... perhaps the guy that had the most significant impact of the Pentz/Schultz upset was Lehigh's Jake Jakobsen at 197.  Jakobsen was seeded #16, won his opening bout via fall in SV1 and then had Myles Amine in R2, to whom he lost, 4-2.  His first match in the consolation was #2 seeded Eric Schultz, who had been pinned in the opening round.  He lost to Schultz, 10-2.

Net result is Jakobsen gets bounced from the tourney with consecutive losses to the #1 and #2 seeds.

[SetonHallPirate 993]

Wouldn’t agree with doing what was suggested, but would be OK if they did that after every session (other than the Thursday night session) on the backside

[Pinnum 846]

On 3/21/2021 at 7:26 PM, Full Nelson said:

A duals tournament with nothing at stake has been tried many times.

Declaring the winner the national champion is new and changes everything.

The Las Vegas Invitational is a tournament with many of the top Ranked wrestlers in the country and is attended by very few fans with few people tuning in to follow it.  
 

Vegas correlates very poorly to the immense success of the NCAA Individual Championship.

Imaging a wrestling fan saying an NCAA championship couldn’t work because they watched Vegas one year and it wasn’t much of an event,

The same is true of any of the events that have claimed to be a dual championship.  There hasn’t been an actual dual championship.  There have only been dual events that named a team as a winner. 

The NCAA has never put on a dual championship and they put on great championships in every sport. 

[LJB 2,093]

i think we should make recruiting and diversity matter more...

let's seed by ethnicity!!!!!

[PSUSMC 343]

Mordecai and Rigby are awesome! Would definitely like to see it picked back up with new seasons.

Oh, I mis-read this. I thought it was "Make the Regular Show Matter"

[BigTenFanboy 1,790]

On 3/23/2021 at 1:40 PM, Lurker said:

The inherit advantage/disadvantage for your regular season performance is in fact...wait for it...the seeding. Once you get there, let the best man win. Why....in the world...would you want to punish athletes for pulling off upsets against higher seeds.  For the sake of reshuffling a bracket every round, athletes, coaches, and fans alike never really knowing whose in what quarter bracket every round, what match winner you have next, etc etc. 

And in all of this, I don’t see how this makes the season matter more at all

Im very aware of all this. This thread was mostly a response to those that whine and complain how the regular season "doesnt matter" enough. As for how it would make the regular season matter? It would give the highest seeded wrestlers the biggest advantage through out the entirety of the tournament in each match they wrestled. If you pull off an upset, you will be required to continue to pull off more upsets to continue to advance as "punishment" for the "poor" regular season performance.