Step out rule

[Full Nelson 69]

On twitter lots of people are screaming for a step-out rule in folk style.

Do they mean adopting the freestyle rules on pushouts?

 

[Katie 1,076]

5 minutes ago, Full Nelson said:

On twitter lots of people are screaming for a step-out rule in folk style.

Do they mean adopting the freestyle rules on pushouts?

 

I think so.  And I've thought it would be a great idea for a long time. Even if it was only implemented in OT as a trial run.

[152lbs 76]

I never liked it in either style.

[Jimmy Cinnabon 411]

Just convert to sumo then?

[4awrestler 72]

How about bigger mats? those 197 LBs by the time they get their feet off the bottom the were on the edge of the mat constantly


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[Jim L 328]

Yes to the step out rule, plus going out of bounds needs to be address on stand ups situation

[Katie 1,076]

1 hour ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Just convert to sumo then?

If only there were a way to test the hypothesis that a step out rule would turn folkstyle into sumo.  Oh well. 

[152lbs 76]

It is a bad rule for free and greco and will be a worse rule for folk. 

[Full Nelson 69]

7 minutes ago, 152lbs said:

It is a bad rule for free and greco and will be a worse rule for folk. 

I don't see the argument that the boundary rules in freestyle are more aggravating than the cluster we see in folkstyle.

Even if you dislike the pushout rule, the pushout seems to be a relatively small factor in freestyle.  

I'm sick of defensive wrestlers constantly playing the edge of the mat to stall.  None of the attempts at rule changes
seem to have made anything clearer or better.   Wrestlers constantly going out of bounds in 
escape attempts is tedious as hell.

 

Edited March 21, 2021 by Full Nelson

[152lbs 76]

Wrestling for the most part is about as exciting as watching paint dry.  I have come to accept that fact and just enjoy the tedium while waiting for something exciting to happen.  Kind of like my interest in baseball.  It too is dull as hell, until it isn't for that brief moment.

Edited March 21, 2021 by 152lbs

[Plasmodium 2,309]

6 minutes ago, Full Nelson said:

I don't see the argument that the boundary rules in freestyle are more aggravating than the cluster we see in folkstyle.

Even if you dislike the pushout rule, the pushout seems to be a relatively small factor in freestyle.  

I'm sick of defensive wrestlers constantly playing the edge of the mat to stall.  None of the attempts at rule changes
seem to have made anything clearer or better.   Wrestlers constantly going out of bounds in 
escape attempts is tedious as hell.

 

You must get nauseous watching Ferrari in top position.

[Full Nelson 69]

46 minutes ago, 152lbs said:

Wrestling for the most part is about as exciting as watching paint dry.  I have come to accept that fact and just enjoy the tedium while waiting for something exciting to happen.  Kind of like my interest in baseball.  It too is dull as hell, until it isn't for that brief moment.

A lot of truth in what you say here.

I think the unsolvable problem is the dearth of competitive matches.  80% of the time you know who is going to win.   

[swoopdown 631]

I'm not a fan of pushout points generally but could see it used in overtime if neither wrestler successfully executes a TD in regulation.  

[gimpeltf 2,085]

1 hour ago, 152lbs said:

It is a bad rule for free and greco and will be a worse rule for folk. 

Most of the international style people I know that that it would be the case but have been convinced otherwise. One thing to keep in mind is that generally when you see FS /GRyou see fairly high level FS/GR where there isn't much room for traditional scoring because they're so good especially defensively. Without it we'd be like World Cup football (soccer) and a lot of 1-1s. It's actually very good if you understand it but little scoring sometimes.

[poorwrestler 39]

Add a push out rule, get rid of riding time, and make OT neutral only


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[jmez 6]

Enforce fleeing the mat. Problem solved.

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[HoundedHawk 83]

I used to take 10 guys to watch nationals.  The constant fleeing the mat, riding with no intent to turn. was so boring I couldn't keep them as fans.

I've got three sons that go with me that love wrestling.   The finals were a disgrace to wrestling, and now I don't even know if I can can keep all of them going now.  

It's time for the pushout rule.  The refs simply will not enforce the current true stalling rules.  

[jross 538]

Allow action sequences to continue out of bounds.  Don't make 'em stretch their toes inbounds to get that pin... to get that take down, etc.

[Jaroslav Hasek 2,067]

there should be a penalty for going out of bounds against your will. plain and simple, end of story. 

and don't give me this 'call stalling properly' nonsense. we have 100 years of evidence. stalling will never be called 'properly'. shut up with the stalling. 

[jmez 6]

Should also be a penalty for wilfully going out of bounds.

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[nom 1,209]

Pissed me off to watch so many guys play the edge.  And the refs just let it happen.  It needs an objective approach to stop it.  Bring on the FS rules (or something close to it).  

[1032004 1,514]

9 hours ago, jmez said:

Enforce fleeing the mat. Problem solved.

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That’s not the problem IMO.  The reason that you can’t get all refs to enforce it the same way is because it’s a subjective call. Why should the ref have to decide whether or not someone is backing up or just being pushed?

A step out rule removes the subjectivity.  Only issue I see is I could see a lot of challenges to determine who stepped out first.  But I think the hopeful goal of a stepout rule is that it makes guys actually stay in bounds.

[Jimmy Cinnabon 411]

Put a cage around the mat like in MMA

[jmez 6]

That’s not the problem IMO.  The reason that you can’t get all refs to enforce it the same way is because it’s a subjective call. Why should the ref have to decide whether or not someone is backing up or just being pushed?
A step out rule removes the subjectivity.  Only issue I see is I could see a lot of challenges to determine who stepped out first.  But I think the hopeful goal of a stepout rule is that it makes guys actually stay in bounds.

I don't think that solves it in folkstyle. Ferrari is going to tech fall everyone with 15 push outs.

Situational differences. When neutral and a guy gets a single leg he isn't pushing the guy out of bounds, he's trying to finish. When on top and you take the leg on a stand up there is no reason to try and finish. Just push them out and restart.



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[HoundedHawk 83]

18 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Just convert to sumo then?

Seems like this is a disingenuous question since it would seem impossible for you to not know this rule didn't turn freestyle into that.