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Is the US gonna have a chance to Qualify 65k?

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1 hour ago, hammerlockthree said:

Haven't heard it mentioned lately

Yes there is a Last Chance International Qualifier that is just open to Countries that have yet to qualify the weight.  You need to make the finals at the weight to qualify for the last 2 spots for the Olympics. It is currently scheduled for June 6 to 9 in Sofia Bulgaria.  The Asian Oly Qualifiers are suppose to be from Apr 9-11 in Kazakhstan.   The only possible holdup may be due to the African Oly Qualifiers being postponed - they were suppose to be April 6-11 but have been postponed I would guess due to Covid travel restrictions..  They need to get those done to finalize the Olympic field prior to the last Chance qualifier.

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European Qualifiers just ended this past weekend - They added a tough Armenian (Tevayan) and Aliev (Azb) to the Olympic field at 65 kg - that still leaves Georgia, Poland, Turkey, Belerus, Ukraine and quite a few other tough Europeans that will be at that tournament.  We will have to send someone who will perform really well to make the finals there and qualify the weight.

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1 hour ago, lu1979 said:

Yes there is a Last Chance International Qualifier that is just open to Countries that have yet to qualify the weight.  You need to make the finals at the weight to qualify for the last 2 spots for the Olympics. It is currently scheduled for June 6 to 9 in Sofia Bulgaria.  The Asian Oly Qualifiers are suppose to be from Apr 9-11 in Kazakhstan.   The only possible holdup may be due to the African Oly Qualifiers being postponed - they were suppose to be April 6-11 but have been postponed I would guess due to Covid travel restrictions..  They need to get those done to finalize the Olympic field prior to the last Chance qualifier.

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20 hours ago, Crash said:

Zain the choke artist. 

I like most of the PSU guys, but I can never get behind him because of that.  It would be horrible if Zain wins the Trials and then fails to qualify the weight for a second time at the Last Chance Olympic Qualifier in Bulgaria.

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Zain reminds me of Metcalf.  Great/intense wrestler, but seems completely lost in many freestyle positions.  It's night and day compared to Yianni, who is always fluid and appears comfortable with freestyle. It's sad that we lost out on the opportunity for Pico to man the weight this cycle (Yianni's prime will be in 4 years). 

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10 hours ago, Billyhoyle said:

Zain reminds me of Metcalf.  Great/intense wrestler, but seems completely lost in many freestyle positions.  It's night and day compared to Yianni, who is always fluid and appears comfortable with freestyle. It's sad that we lost out on the opportunity for Pico to man the weight this cycle (Yianni's prime will be in 4 years). 

Hmmm, well if that is the case, maybe next time Yianni wrestles Zain, he should try getting Zain in one of those positions that he is "completely lost" in? 

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1 hour ago, IronChef said:

Crazy how a guy who seems completely lost in freestyle positions could make two world teams, one while still in college, and also finish third in the Olympic Trials five years ago.

Zain is a great wrestler. So was Metcalf, who also made a bunch of teams. Both are clearly more comfortable wrestling folkstyle. 

17 minutes ago, rpm002 said:

Hmmm, well if that is the case, maybe next time Yianni wrestles Zain, he should try getting Zain in one of those positions that he is "completely lost" in? 

Yes, the three years Zain has on Yianni make it a challenge, but Yianni will in all likelihood overtake him by the next cycle and end up with a better international resume. 

 

I’ve made it clear that Zain is a great wrestler, but I’m simply pointing out the obvious-that he isn’t really a natural freestyle wrestler and is more applying his folkstyle approach to free.  Maybe he will get more comfortable, but Metcalf was never able to.

 

It’s difficult to adapt after years focusing on folk-not everyone is as exceptionally talented as DT, but even he had a bumpy transition.

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2 hours ago, rpm002 said:

Hmmm, well if that is the case, maybe next time Yianni wrestles Zain, he should try getting Zain in one of those positions that he is "completely lost" in? 

You mean like how Augustin Destribats of Argentina did to qualify for the Olympics?

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What does it mean to not be a natural freestyler or applying folkstyle to free? Does it mean you want to see him let guys get his legs and do chest wraps? Do a lot of push outs? There's no such thing as a freestyle style of wrestling. Just say that you like watching Yianni more. It's fine, and others will agree with you. A successful style in freestyle is one that wins a lot of matches. Zain is a 2x world teamer and was 3rd in the Olympic Trials. That's all freestyle. He beat Yianni three in a row to make the team...in freestyle. He beat Bajrang. You are conflating your aesthetic preference with some sort of made up ideal.

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1 hour ago, IronChef said:

What does it mean to not be a natural freestyler or applying folkstyle to free? Does it mean you want to see him let guys get his legs and do chest wraps? Do a lot of push outs? There's no such thing as a freestyle style of wrestling. Just say that you like watching Yianni more. It's fine, and others will agree with you. A successful style in freestyle is one that wins a lot of matches. Zain is a 2x world teamer and was 3rd in the Olympic Trials. That's all freestyle. He beat Yianni three in a row to make the team...in freestyle. He beat Bajrang. You are conflating your aesthetic preference with some sort of made up ideal.

Zain can change the narrative by winning the Trials, qualifying the weight for the Olympics, and winning a medal in Tokyo.  If he fails to do this, the Metcalf comparisons will continue.

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2 hours ago, IronChef said:

What does it mean to not be a natural freestyler or applying folkstyle to free? Does it mean you want to see him let guys get his legs and do chest wraps? Do a lot of push outs? There's no such thing as a freestyle style of wrestling. Just say that you like watching Yianni more. It's fine, and others will agree with you. A successful style in freestyle is one that wins a lot of matches. Zain is a 2x world teamer and was 3rd in the Olympic Trials. That's all freestyle. He beat Yianni three in a row to make the team...in freestyle. He beat Bajrang. You are conflating your aesthetic preference with some sort of made up ideal.

It’s hard to put into words exactly, but it’s more about comfort with freestyle and it’s the difference between guys like Metcalf/Zain and guys like Yianni/Abbas/Cejedo/Cox.  In folkstyle, the Metcalf/Zain style is highly effective. In freestyle, it isn’t really to nearly same extent. Do we have any doubt that Zain would be the folkstyle world champ? It’s pretty obvious that Metcalf built a style that failed him when the matches actually mattered (as opposed to amateur NCAA competition). 

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Near as I can tell from this thread, being a freestyler means winning world medals, unless you're Yianni. That's not a style; it's a result.

Also, Metcalf and Zain do not wrestle very much alike. They just wrestled the same weight.

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Also, Metcalf and Zain do not wrestle very much alike. They just wrestled the same weight.


His results I think is what most people are referring to. Straight forward style and can't score points in bunches so a lot of close matches.

At 65kg there are several guys who can put 10 on the scoreboard and while solid fundamental "low risk" wrestling keeps them somewhat in check.... It's hard to hold 4 guys in a row under 5pts at this weight/level, to account for his limited offensive capabilities.
So while he may win 4-3 or 4-4 he's just as likely to lose 4-3 or 4-4 .....
Metcalf felt like a coinflip against anyone in the top 20.... So does Zain.... It's just hard to win several coinflips in a row

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It goes without saying Yianni has had the superior results of all our 65's against the rest of the senior world, and with those results beginning before he had two years to focus solely on the OTT, logical to think he is by far our best bet to get the weight qualified.  However that was in fact then and this is in fact now, and even though it may mean we have a potential medalist staying home in favor of a rep who didn't qualify the weight, I would much rather have our method of selection over any others.  

 

If Yianni goes we qualify the weight and potentially medal.  BUT...those guys at NLWC are MASTERFUL at game planning, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Zain win the weight but not qualify the weight.  

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Zain did OK against Bajrang in December. Can't wait to hear about it being "an exhibition match". Lol.
 
Yeah again the problem is
Zain can beat anybody but is limited in his scoring so can be beaten by anybody.

JO can beat anybody for 2 minutes.

Yainni can consistently beat everybody, not named Zain.



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