Perry 1,429 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 That's the number of OTT representatives Penn state/NLWC is sending compared to Iowa/HWC with Spencer on the DL. Iowa is fresh off their first national title in a decade and has no representation at the trials let alone the Olympics. Pair this with the 4 champs to 1 at ncaas. How does this look to young recruits planning where to go to excel at their craft? Does the future of recruiting look to favor PSU with this in mind? Will Iowa be stuck poaching talent from other schools and hoping for 6th year extensions? None of their incoming guys (besides maybe Kennedy) look to be at the level of a spencer, kemmerer, etc. Will brands be limited to winning titles with double recruiting classes and 7th year senior/transfer squads? Curious what you all think this could mean for the future of B1G recruiting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruocified 22 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 weak 1 AHamilton reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crotalus 592 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 I just don't understand this kind of trolling thread. Cinnabon poses better questions than this. 1 simple reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Le duke 419 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) I believe it's 13-1. Sammy Brooks is going, isn't he? NLWC: 57: Gilman, RBY 65: Lee, Zain 74: Nolf, Cenzo, CStar 86: A. Brooks, Nickal, DT 97: Snyder 125: Nevills, Kerk HWC: 86kg: S. Brooks Edited March 29, 2021 by Le duke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronChef 1,101 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 Is Jennifer Page #14? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 2,263 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 Legit topic. Recruits with world and Olympic aspirations have one less decision to make. 4 Waxpacks, Housebuye, simple and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mphillips 1,738 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 While the rest of the B1G 'begs for the scraps from Longshanks table.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Le duke 419 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 48 minutes ago, IronChef said: Is Jennifer Page #14? I mispoke. It's 15. Mason Manville and Jenn Page. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruocified 22 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Plasmodium said: Legit topic. Recruits with world and Olympic aspirations have one less decision to make. There really isn't much of a difference. If it is about competing at which university will prepare you for an international career. Here is the number of former Iowa wrestlers vs. number of former PSU wrestlers to make the last 10 US World or Olympic freestyle teams. Nebraska and Ohio State probably have more than either. 2019: Iowa - 0, PSU - 1 2018: Iowa - 1, PSU - 1 2017: Iowa - 1, PSU - 1 2016: Iowa - 1, PSU - 1 2015: Iowa - 2, PSU - 0 2014: Iowa - 2, PSU - 1 2013: Iowa - 1, PSU - 0 2012: Iowa - 0, PSU - 0 2011: Iowa - 0, PSU - 0 2010: Iowa - 2, PSU - 0 If we want to compare club teams, then it doesn't really matter where you go to college, since you're not stuck with the club related to your university. If you want the best club team then you have to be willing to spend the cash. NLWC might be the next Foxcatcher, but the only real comparison point we have right now is Gilman's results at the HWC vs. Gilman's results at the NLWC. 5 uncle bernard, Yellow_Medal, AHamilton and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 2,263 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, Cruocified said: There really isn't much of a difference. If it is about competing at which university will prepare you for an international career. Here is the number of former Iowa wrestlers vs. number of former PSU wrestlers to make the last 10 US World or Olympic freestyle teams. Nebraska and Ohio State probably have more than either. 2019: Iowa - 0, PSU - 1 2018: Iowa - 1, PSU - 1 2017: Iowa - 1, PSU - 1 2016: Iowa - 1, PSU - 1 2015: Iowa - 2, PSU - 0 2014: Iowa - 2, PSU - 1 2013: Iowa - 1, PSU - 0 2012: Iowa - 0, PSU - 0 2011: Iowa - 0, PSU - 0 2010: Iowa - 2, PSU - 0 If we want to compare club teams, then it doesn't really matter where you go to college, since you're not stuck with the club related to your university. If you want the best club team then you have to be willing to spend the cash. NLWC might be the next Foxcatcher, but the only real comparison point we have right now is Gilman's results at the HWC vs. Gilman's results at the NLWC. Penn State 2021 number is TBD while Iowa's number is already set. That is the whole point. NLWC clearly demonstrates more support for PSU alum. Around a year go, there was a long discussion about PSU deferring scholarship to NLWC sponsorship. Apparently legal, so the RTC is not separate from the college at all. Gilman's move to NLWC is a bad look for Iowa regardless of his results. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 1 for NLWC in 2021... i hope no one starts doing a cost comparison... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Husker_Du 853 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Plasmodium said: Penn State 2021 number is TBD while Iowa's number is already set. That is the whole point. NLWC clearly demonstrates more support for PSU alum. Around a year go, there was a long discussion about PSU deferring scholarship to NLWC sponsorship. Apparently legal, so the RTC is not separate from the college at all. Gilman's move to NLWC is a bad look for Iowa regardless of his results. PSU deferring scholarship to NLWC sponsorship? where is that listed as fact? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Husker_Du 853 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 44 minutes ago, LJB said: 1 for NLWC in 2021... i hope no one starts doing a cost comparison... who cares? who cares if they never put a guy on a team? that's a whole lotta athletes supported. which is a great thing. 2 Perry and portajohn reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu_alum 920 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 3 hours ago, Le duke said: I believe it's 13-1. Sammy Brooks is going, isn't he? NLWC: 57: Gilman, RBY 65: Lee, Zain 74: Nolf, Cenzo, CStar 86: A. Brooks, Nickal, DT 97: Snyder 125: Nevills, Kerk HWC: 86kg: S. Brooks Does Franklin Gomez still wrestle out of the NLWC? Although not at the US OTT, I believe he's already qualified a spot for Puerto Rico at 74kg. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Le duke 419 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, lu_alum said: Does Franklin Gomez still wrestle out of the NLWC? Although not at the US OTT, I believe he's already qualified a spot for Puerto Rico at 74kg. He does. They also have Bekzod (UZB), Ale Bonilla (MEX) and Dr. Jane Valencia (MEX) all qualified and going to the Olympics. Valencia is going for the second Olympic medal in her family. Edited March 29, 2021 by Le duke 3 Gantry, airmail and Housebuye reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 20 minutes ago, Husker_Du said: who cares? who cares if they never put a guy on a team? that's a whole lotta athletes supported. which is a great thing. i don't disagree, but, that would not be a proper silly thread on this bbs... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,539 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 What is the count up to now? 19 to 1 PSU/NLWC over Iowa/HWC? Wow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,438 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 7 hours ago, Le duke said: He does. They also have Bekzod (UZB), Ale Bonilla (MEX) and Dr. Jane Valencia (MEX) all qualified and going to the Olympics. Valencia is going for the second Olympic medal in her family. Valencia is a badass 2 airmail and Gantry reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Molsen 142 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 12 hours ago, Perry said: How does this look to young recruits planning where to go to excel at their craft? Does the future of recruiting look to favor PSU with this in mind? Are PSU fans still pretending they are somehow losing the recruiting battle when year in and year out their lineup is full of P4P recruits? And please don't use a rating system that benefits quantity over quality each year. PSU has won in recruiting, and yes, will continue to do so. Their finals performance didn't change that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,539 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 30 minutes ago, Molsen said: Are PSU fans still pretending they are somehow losing the recruiting battle when year in and year out their lineup is full of P4P recruits? And please don't use a rating system that benefits quantity over quality each year. PSU has won in recruiting, and yes, will continue to do so. Their finals performance didn't change that. What do you think? Do you believe PSU fans feel they don't recruit well enough? I fail to see evidence of such. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Molsen 142 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 4 hours ago, TBar1977 said: What do you think? Do you believe PSU fans feel they don't recruit well enough? I fail to see evidence of such. Well seeing as the op was questioning how this looks to future recruits, I was stating that it likely doesn't change much. PSU has and will continue to out recruit Iowa. Same thing different year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,539 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Molsen said: Well seeing as the op was questioning how this looks to future recruits, I was stating that it likely doesn't change much. PSU has and will continue to out recruit Iowa. Same thing different year. I am a PSU fan and I agree with you, but that POV is 180 opposite to what you posted earlier in the thread. Are PSU fans still pretending they are somehow losing the recruiting battle when year in and year out their lineup is full of P4P recruits? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Molsen 142 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 With his post comparing PSU to Iowa, then talking about how it will affect recruits, like Iowa was some how winning that battle or something. It was merely me pointing out that PSU already is winning that battle, and a shot at some psu fans that a few years back would use recruiting rankings to say they weren't the best at that, my guess is to try and highlight their development. When in reality they are doing pretty much everything great coachingwise. But at the end of the day recruits will go to PSU because of their elite staff, others will go elsewhere to try to take them out. I get this topic is another PSU>Iowa post. It's true, PSUs overall success trumps Iowa's last 2 NCAA years. But it's irrelevant. Recruits are looking at the dynasty Penn state already had going. Nothing really changes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 hasn't uncle john "won" the recruiting was the last season or two? all the good it has done them... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perry 1,429 Report post Posted March 29, 2021 19 minutes ago, LJB said: hasn't uncle john "won" the recruiting was the last season or two? all the good it has done them... They did have the best team finish in a couple years this season Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
