treep2000 973 Report post Posted April 5 3 hours ago, AHamilton said: In what way will it not age well? Are you saying that someone like Fix would be Gilman's partner? Or are you saying that guys will choose partners who will mature into threats? I'm not saying anything except that I'm interested in how well your predictions come true. That's it .. I'm interested. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 1,643 Report post Posted April 5 26 minutes ago, BerniePragle said: And... A swing and a miss. No idea what this means. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BerniePragle 22 Report post Posted April 5 2 hours ago, gimpeltf said: No idea what this means. Two swings, two misses. I certainly knew Karelin is well past his prime. It was intended as both a joke and a huge compliment to Steveson. There is a pattern developing here. Either my jokes or your joke detector are/is not working. Sorry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ogalthorpe Haywood 346 Report post Posted April 5 8 hours ago, BobDole said: Gilman- RBY is definitely possible JO- Likley someone like O'connor or someone he trains with regularly. Yianni wouldn't be too much of a surprise since they were partners for around a year. Dake- No way JB, it will be someone from Cornell Taylor- Bo is probably high on the list, will be someone from NLWC Snyder- Likely someone from NLWC Gable- Nelson is highly likely Taylor brought Bo in 18, I think Brooks will be his choice here I’m sure Bo will transition to MMA fairly quickly. I also think Snyder always brings his brother as his training partner. 1 BobDole reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 1,643 Report post Posted April 5 4 minutes ago, BerniePragle said: Two swings, two misses. I certainly knew Karelin is well past his prime. It was intended as both a joke and a huge compliment to Steveson. There is a pattern developing here. Either my jokes or your joke detector are/is not working. Sorry. Get off your horse. I knew it was a joke. I didn't think you'd miss that I got it. I was just having fun, myself. I guess you just bunted foul on the third strike! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uncle bernard 622 Report post Posted April 5 7 minutes ago, Ogalthorpe Haywood said: Taylor brought Bo in 18, I think Brooks will be his choice here I’m sure Bo will transition to MMA fairly quickly. I also think Snyder always brings his brother as his training partner. I don't think so, especially since his brother doesn't wrestle anymore. Pretty sure he brought Myles Martin in 2019. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ConnorsDad 596 Report post Posted April 5 If they don't qualify the weight, how about Coon? He's the biggest, athletic guy around although I probably just stay with Nelson. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BTC 70 Report post Posted April 5 7 hours ago, BerniePragle said: The only training partner I can imagine for Steveson. Karelin suffers from a bad case of yianni syndrome. 4 hours ago, AHamilton said: I figured it was something like that. I just figured BTC probably did not know what the national team was. Nope I did indeed know except I didn't bother to look up Nelson's results since he was pretty much a non factor on the international stage. 3 hours ago, wrestlingnerd said: Here’s some context. At JB’s peak and shortly after it, JB brought post-junior year 157-lb 20-year old Dake and then pre-PSU Mark Hall. JB's 2016 year is not the best example to use. Probably his worst performance to date. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AHamilton 673 Report post Posted April 5 2 minutes ago, BTC said: Nope I did indeed know except I didn't bother to look up Nelson's results since he was pretty much a non factor on the international stage. Just a continental champ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BTC 70 Report post Posted April 5 3 minutes ago, AHamilton said: Just a continental champ! Come on now, winning the pan ams is not the same as the European or Asian Championships. The only two countries that are mainstays are Cuba and the US Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AHamilton 673 Report post Posted April 6 13 minutes ago, BTC said: Come on now, winning the pan ams is not the same as the European or Asian Championships. The only two countries that are mainstays are Cuba and the US WE do not live in Europe or Asia. The only continental championship he could win would be Pan Am. If Zain could win Pan Am, JO wouldn't be in the predicament that he is. First you said that he was a zero time national team member, then you said one time, now you say no international credentials. Wrong at each step. Please give Tony Nelson his due! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu1979 394 Report post Posted April 6 5 hours ago, BTC said: My bad 1x national team member, 3rd alternate I usually tend to agree with the if it ain't broke don't fix it sentiment but the thing is we don't know if it's broken at least not til after the Olympics. He's crushing the field here at home because he is just that good. My whole thing is once he's up against opponents on his level will having a training partner who is so far beneath his skill level come back and bite him? I agree with your overall sentiment about training partners. Tony Nelson is a great wrestler and one of the best heavyweights in the US at this time as he just proved by taking 4th last weekend. There are no partners available that will be as good as the two favorites in Tokyo and there is no one in the US who can mimic their style. Gable is just going to have to wing it when it comes to beating Geno P or Tahir. I think his great counter offense style may work well against those guys who both like to shoot a lot. Gable is great at down blocking and getting an angle to attack with. I am hoping that will work out well for him. 1 AHamilton reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BTC 70 Report post Posted April 6 (edited) 7 minutes ago, AHamilton said: WE do not live in Europe or Asia. The only continental championship he could win would be Pan Am. If Zain could win Pan Am, JO wouldn't be in the predicament that he is. First you said that he was a zero time national team member, then you said one time, now you say no international credentials. Wrong at each step. Please give Tony Nelson his due! Yes I did say those things, then I retracted my statement when corrected. DO NOT act like winning pan ams is harder to win than those two continental tourneys. I stand by my opinion that Tony isnt the cream of the crop in freestyle. Lol Zain choking at Pan Am is your only argument. Edited April 6 by BTC Typo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AHamilton 673 Report post Posted April 6 1 minute ago, BTC said: Yes I did say those things, then I retracted my statement when corrected. DO NOT act like winning pan ams is harder to win than those two continental tourneys. I stand by my opinion that Tony wasn't the cream of the crop in freestyle. Lol Zain choking at Pan Am is your only argument. At no point did I say Pan Ams was as good as the other two. It is the only one that Nelson has a chance to wrestle in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AHamilton 673 Report post Posted April 6 55 minutes ago, Ogalthorpe Haywood said: Taylor brought Bo in 18, I think Brooks will be his choice here I’m sure Bo will transition to MMA fairly quickly. I also think Snyder always brings his brother as his training partner. I can see him taking DGK, the guy who rescinded about 5 college commitments to be close to Snyder. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BTC 70 Report post Posted April 6 Just now, AHamilton said: At no point did I say Pan Ams was as good as the other two. It is the only one that Nelson has a chance to wrestle in. Ok if that is your argument then why hasn't he had any noteworthy results in international tourneys that he is allowed to enter? Tony is a solid journeyman bit IMO(cause it matters so much) he will fall further down the ladder as the new crop of young and athletic heavys start coming up. Kerk and Parris to be more specific as I see them as the only true blue chip international prospects we have at that weight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BTC 70 Report post Posted April 6 (edited) 15 minutes ago, lu1979 said: Tony Nelson is a great wrestler and one of the best heavyweights in the US at this time as he just proved by taking 4th last weekend. There are no partners available that will be as good as the two favorites in Tokyo and there is no one in the US who can mimic their style. Gable is just going to have to wing it when it comes to beating Geno P or Tahir. I think his great counter offense style may work well against those guys who both like to shoot a lot. Gable is great at down blocking and getting an angle to attack with. I am hoping that will work out well for him. I disagree on nelson. He's a good room guy and good for depth but i wouldn't say he's a great wrestler, relatively speaking that is. I agree with everything else. Edited April 6 by BTC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjc007 703 Report post Posted April 6 Why? It is his actual training partner. That is who he trains with to get this good. He is actually the perfect training partner for Gable.Sent from my moto z3 using Tapatalk 1 AHamilton reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AHamilton 673 Report post Posted April 6 2 minutes ago, cjc007 said: He is actually the perfect training partner for Gable. Sent from my moto z3 using Tapatalk Exactly! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 1,643 Report post Posted April 6 But Karelin was only a one time World Team member! From 1988-2000! 1 BerniePragle reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AHamilton 673 Report post Posted April 6 Just now, gimpeltf said: But Karelin was only a one time World Team member! From 1988-2000! Zero time pan am medalist. Even Zain has more pan am medals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 1,643 Report post Posted April 6 Just now, AHamilton said: Zero time pan am medalist. Even Zain has more pan am medals. And I would imagine DT has more Spanish Grand Prix titles (although he's certainly overcome that moniker) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AHamilton 673 Report post Posted April 6 2 minutes ago, gimpeltf said: And I would imagine DT has more Spanish Grand Prix titles (although he's certainly overcome that moniker) Now that you mention it, I think you are right. What a bum! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BerniePragle 22 Report post Posted April 6 1 hour ago, gimpeltf said: But Karelin was only a one time World Team member! From 1988-2000! Karelin also won the Super Heavyweight division at the Vladivostok Open when he was 11. Beat Chuck Ivanoff Norris in the finals. 1 gimpeltf reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
