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18 hours ago, davenowa said:

I was looking at maintaining the 12 wts for post-season, allowing teams to enter a 2nd wrestler at any 2 of the 12 classes, in keeping with concept of 14 entries (as opposed to increasing to 14 wt classes for post-season)

I like the option of having up to two entries in a weight for the individual state series. This will help retention of athletes when they are stuck behind good wrestlers and cannot cut or gain the necessary weight to go to another weight class. There are a handful of states that allow this and more need to do so. 

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On 9/30/2021 at 4:56 PM, Nicholas Strub said:

What are the thoughts of middle school wrestlers in high school? There are some high school associations that allow this. This sport may be the most common for this to occur. Perhaps the only one. I have my opinion about this but am interested with knowing others.

I am opposed, since HS sports are about HS communities and HS students.

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NY allows 7th and 8th graders to wrestle for their high schools so long as they athletically/medically qualify.  Same rule applies for other sports, as well. 

NY can do this because it has local, not county-wide, school districts.  I believe Onondaga County, where I grew up, has at least 28 school districts.  You know what elementary. middle and high school you are going to when you move wherever you move.  To Plasmodium's question, these 7th and 8th graders are wrestling for their community schools.

When I was living/coaching in TN,  that state did have county-wide school districts but allowed 7th and 8th graders to wrestle varsity if the middle and high schools were in the same building.

FL has a same building rule of which many private schools take advantage.  When I was living/coaching there, you saw many 7th and 8th graders wins states at 1A and transfer "back" to Brandon for high school

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I noticed that 6th graders are allowed to compete in Florida, or that was a typo in the results. I could've been a 7 year high school wrestler starting at 103.

If lower weight classes can't be filled by high school wrestlers then the issue is with the weight classes.

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On 10/9/2021 at 11:03 AM, gimpeltf said:

I think that NY allows them IF they are in the same building- at least, I've heard that. Also NY typically has a lower weight class geared for these younger wrestlers.

It looks being in the same building is not a  requirement In NYS for 7th and 8th graders. There needs to be some preliminary testing of the kids, and it cannot cause 9th-12th graders to be cut. I suspect there are few sports these days where cuts happen. Maybe basketball at larger school. Maybe baseball/softball at very large schools. Maybe Golf, Tennis, Swimming. 

http://www.p12.nysed.gov/sss/documents/AthleticPlacementProcess12-11-17FINALRevised.pdf

Here is something to think on. Pa of course does not allow 8thgraders on JV/Varsity under any circumstance.  But I believe there are schools out there with a K-12 building, and another building that is K-6(or 8). Halifax use to be like that. So I wonder with that situation in 8thgrade eligible states( say Minnesota or the Dakotas), If 8th graders located in the K-12 building can compete on varsity, would the 8th graders in the K-8 building also be allowed to compete varsity.

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14 minutes ago, RichB said:

It looks being in the same building is not a  requirement In NYS for 7th and 8th graders. There needs to be some preliminary testing of the kids, and it cannot cause 9th-12th graders to be cut. I suspect there are few sports these days where cuts happen. Maybe basketball at larger school. Maybe baseball/softball at very large schools. Maybe Golf, Tennis, Swimming. 

http://www.p12.nysed.gov/sss/documents/AthleticPlacementProcess12-11-17FINALRevised.pdf

Here is something to think on. Pa of course does not allow 8thgraders on JV/Varsity under any circumstance.  But I believe there are schools out there with a K-12 building, and another building that is K-6(or 8). Halifax use to be like that. So I wonder with that situation in 8thgrade eligible states( say Minnesota or the Dakotas), If 8th graders located in the K-12 building can compete on varsity, would the 8th graders in the K-8 building also be allowed to compete varsity.

I was told that by someone years ago (same building) and in that document on page 6 there's a clause that could be a modification from about 5 years ago where they imply more the same school district than same building. It might have been phrased earlier to imply same building and they realized it wasn't quite what they meant.

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if a state chooses 12 weights for the girls (when it is girls vs girls, ie. post-season or "girls only" tournaments) and 14 weights for the boys (or boys vs girls), wouldn't it make sense for the 2 progressions to match each other exactly rather than the slight deviation?  For the 12 girls weights of 100, 107, 114, 120, 126, 132, 138, 145, 152, 165, 185, 235, the 7 weights of 107 through 152 almost match the first 8 for boys of 106, 113, 120, 126, 132, 138, 144, 150, 157, 165, 175, 190, 215, 285...would think consistency among the 2 would help during the season, and by adding the lightest 100 for girls, the upper weights for girls could be the "every other" for boys...such as 160 and 190, then 235.

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On 4/25/2021 at 10:29 PM, BobDole said:

Not really, if there is a double forfeit then you need more tiebreakers.

P.S. There are no "perfect" set of weight classes and no one will be able to convince me otherwise. Everyone will always see things from their team's perspective and think that would lead to the best weight classes. The simple fact is weight classes aren't the reason for the increase in forfeits, it's because coaches aren't building their programs up to have a sufficient amount of kids in the program.

What about rural schools in PA that are decreasing in enrollment and there are less recruitable wrestlers (too weak or too overweight from living a sedentary lifestyle?).

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1 hour ago, Boompa said:

What about rural schools in PA that are decreasing in enrollment and there are less recruitable wrestlers (too weak or too overweight from living a sedentary lifestyle?).

There is no perfect solution. I wish the PIAA would put up all 9th graders up with the JV Varsity (except...) Add to Lower JV Weights, say 95 + 100. The JV weights would be wrestled in all JV duals and individual tournaments. They would never be in the postseason, either dual or individual. They could be included in an individual tournaments during the season, either as point scorers or exhibitions. (in past decades I saw both happen with a lower weight.)  The EXCEPT. If a 9th grader certified well below 95, say 88.

Even if teams have no one in those two lower weights, they will have more guys wrestling, more guys wrestling JV's, More guys available in case their is a cascade of injuries, in the lower (or even middle or upper) weights.

Although it use to be common, I know of no schools in Pa where 9th graders and 10th graders are in separate buildings. I am sure there are some, I just don't know of them. (Jefferson HS WVa use to have a 9th grade only building right beside the 10-12 building.

I think these days most 6th graders are in middle schools with 7th and 8th graders (and sometimes 5th graders). But there are some very small schools, with a K-6 building and a 7-12 building. 

Most schools have one middle and one HS. I could see a return of the days when (in the Mid Penn Conference) there were two mats for preliminaries to varsity, one JV, one JH, now MS.    

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