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Watching a youtube interview with Brad Penrith where he was going through the litany of really good lower weights in the Iowa room, Iowa is clearly the best place to go if you are 125-141 and you want to be the best.  Iowa consistently, for decades, has had a stable of guys knocking on the door at the lower weights. Though for nowhere near the same amount of time, Penn State is a perennial presence between 165-197, and Minnesota at heavyweight.  

What other teams always seem to bring it in a certain weight range?

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2 hours ago, Drew87 said:

Watching a youtube interview with Brad Penrith where he was going through the litany of really good lower weights in the Iowa room, Iowa is clearly the best place to go if you are 125-141 and you want to be the best.  Iowa consistently, for decades, has had a stable of guys knocking on the door at the lower weights. Though for nowhere near the same amount of time, Penn State is a perennial presence between 165-197, and Minnesota at heavyweight.  

What other teams always seem to bring it in a certain weight range?

Mizzou, seems to do fairly well from 141-174 . Lately it seems outside of Mauller its 165-197. 

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I think Cornell has had a better run at guys at 125 than Iowa.  They had Travis Lee, Mike Grey, Troy Nickerson, Nashon Garrett, and now Vito.  Granted, Lee and Garrett won titles at 133 as well.  

Ohio State has had a really good run of 141 guys from Jaggers, the Steiber brothers, Joey McKenna, and then Pletcher.  

Nebraska had a nice group of 157 guys starting with Snyder, then Burroughs, James Green, and most recently Tyler Berger.

Northern Iowa had had some good 184 pounders starting with Drew Foster, Taylor Lujan, and now Parker Keckeisen.

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Since the weight changes, most titles by weight (1999-2019, 2021)

125: Iowa (5)
133: Oklahoma State (5)
141: Ohio State, Oklahoma (4)
149: Penn State (4)
157: Penn State (3)
165: Penn Sate, Oklahoma State (4)
174: Penn State (5)
184: Penn State (6)
197: Oklahoma State, Iowa State (4)
285: Minnesota (6)

Most placewinners by weight (1999-2021)
125: Iowa, Minnesota (15)
133: Iowa (16)
141: Oklahoma (14)
149: Iowa (14)
157: Iowa (13)
165: Oklahoma State (13)
174: Penn State (13)
184: Cornell (14)
197: Minnesota (13)
285: Minnesota (17)

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I'd be curious to see what the average placement per year was at a weight if you found a weigh to factor in DNP (looking at the brackets to figure out where a guy got beat out sounds tedious but if someone else wanted to do it...). 10 8th place finishes at a weight is a lot different than 10 3rd place finishes. 

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1 hour ago, JasonBryant said:

Since the weight changes, most titles by weight (1999-2019, 2021)

125: Iowa (5)
133: Oklahoma State (5)
141: Ohio State, Oklahoma (4)
149: Penn State (4)
157: Penn State (3)
165: Penn Sate, Oklahoma State (4)
174: Penn State (5)
184: Penn State (6)
197: Oklahoma State, Iowa State (4)
285: Minnesota (6)

Most placewinners by weight (1999-2019 - will add 2021 in the AM)
125: Iowa, Minnesota (14)
133: Iowa (15)
141: Oklahoma (13)
149: Iowa (14)
157: Iowa, Nebraska (12)
165: Oklahoma State, Wisconsin (12)
174: Oklahoma State, Penn State (12)
184: Cornell (14)
197: Minnesota (13)
285: Minnesota (16)

Wow thank you for these.  My recency bias really discredited how good oklahoma and minnesota used to be.  Forgot Okie state had a string of excellent middle-big guys in the early 2000’s. 

Also brings into perspective how it has only been recently that Ohio State has been really knocking at the door.

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2 hours ago, JHRoseWrestling said:

Great list JB.  I am inclined to look at medals as a better indicator than champs.  I can't help but notice how a single guy or a pair of multi-time champs skews the champion list when evaluating how well a program holds down a weight.

Yeah, but some of those medals are 5th-8th place. If a team, say Binghamton, has 6 guys placing 7th or 8th at 165 pounds in a ten year period, does that outweigh Oklahoma having 2 champs at 165 in the same span? 

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20 minutes ago, TobusRex said:

Yeah, but some of those medals are 5th-8th place. If a team, say Binghamton, has 6 guys placing 7th or 8th at 165 pounds in a ten year period, does that outweigh Oklahoma having 2 champs at 165 in the same span? 

Yeah, you're right too.  I guess I have come to the conclusion that best at a weight over a selected period of time is complex enough that the raw data alone doesn't do it justice.

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Also, the phrase "champions come in pairs" comes to mind.  If you are successfully recruiting in a weight range, chances are guys you are recruiting know they will have great practice and training partners, and do, so they jump levels they need to.  If you are a guy with potential to be a hammer and see you have a returning all american and/or national champ to train with for at least a year or two, it helps keep that train going I'd think.

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9 hours ago, TobusRex said:

Yeah, but some of those medals are 5th-8th place. If a team, say Binghamton, has 6 guys placing 7th or 8th at 165 pounds in a ten year period, does that outweigh Oklahoma having 2 champs at 165 in the same span? 

Cornell 184:  6, 5, 2, 6, 8, 4, 1, 3, 3, 1, 1, 2, 8, 2

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13 hours ago, JasonBryant said:

Since the weight changes, most titles by weight (1999-2019, 2021)

125: Iowa (5)
133: Oklahoma State (5)
141: Ohio State, Oklahoma (4)
149: Penn State (4)
157: Penn State (3)
165: Penn Sate, Oklahoma State (4)
174: Penn State (5)
184: Penn State (6)
197: Oklahoma State, Iowa State (4)
285: Minnesota (6)

Most placewinners by weight (1999-2019 - will add 2021 in the AM)
125: Iowa, Minnesota (14)
133: Iowa (15)
141: Oklahoma (13)
149: Iowa (14)
157: Iowa, Nebraska (12)
165: Oklahoma State, Wisconsin (12)
174: Oklahoma State, Penn State (12)
184: Cornell (14)
197: Minnesota (13)
285: Minnesota (16)

Pretty great illustration of the jump the program made when Cael got there.  Most champs at 5 weights (a lot of repeat guys, but that's ok), but not top AA/placewinner anywhere except 174.  The last 10 years are really carrying PSU's numbers.

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14 hours ago, JasonBryant said:

Since the weight changes, most titles by weight (1999-2019, 2021)

125: Iowa (5)
133: Oklahoma State (5)
141: Ohio State, Oklahoma (4)
149: Penn State (4)
157: Penn State (3)
165: Penn Sate, Oklahoma State (4)
174: Penn State (5)
184: Penn State (6)
197: Oklahoma State, Iowa State (4)
285: Minnesota (6)

Most placewinners by weight (1999-2021)
125: Iowa, Minnesota (15)
133: Iowa (16)
141: Oklahoma (14)
149: Iowa (14)
157: Iowa (13)
165: Oklahoma State (13)
174: Penn State (13)
184: Cornell (14)
197: Minnesota (13)
285: Minnesota (17)

FLO did a pretty cool set of this a few years back.  That was when they still had Cornell as "lightweight U" drawing much IRE from Hawkeye fans.  However, that quickly changed with Iowa's results from Gilman and now Lee at 125 as well as Clark, Ramos and DeSanto at 133.

Edited by MSU158

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11 hours ago, TobusRex said:

Yeah, but some of those medals are 5th-8th place. If a team, say Binghamton, has 6 guys placing 7th or 8th at 165 pounds in a ten year period, does that outweigh Oklahoma having 2 champs at 165 in the same span? 

Idk. To me everything that happens on the back side after the blood round is hard to predict and even a little bathetic.

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Iowa under Brands-

125:  8,6,R12,1,2,1,R12,5,4,2,3,1,1,1  Falck, McDonough, Clark, Gilman and Lee.

133:  (1-2), 2,7,2,R12,3,2,1,2,2,1,DNQ,5,3  Galanakis, Slaton, Dennis, Ramos, Clark, Glynn and DeSanto.

Edited by MSU158

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1 minute ago, Mphillips said:

Hey Webster,

Seem like your just showing off now...

Ugghh. Seriously, it's not intentional. I'm embarrassed. . . 

True story: my therapist told me to participate in online communities to help with the stress of pandemic-related isolation. I'm just not very good at it yet.  Bear with me. I'll keep trying. I'll figure out the proper register. 

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4 minutes ago, MSU158 said:

Iowa under Brands-

125:  8,6,R12,1,2,1,R12,5,4,2,3,1,1,1  Pataky, McDonough, Clark, Gilman and Lee.

133:  (1-2), 2,7,2,R12,3,2,1,2,2,1,DNQ,5,3  Galanakis, Slaton, Dennis, Ramos, Clark, Glynn and DeSanto.

You mean Falck, not Pataky.

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12 hours ago, TobusRex said:

Yeah, but some of those medals are 5th-8th place. If a team, say Binghamton, has 6 guys placing 7th or 8th at 165 pounds in a ten year period, does that outweigh Oklahoma having 2 champs at 165 in the same span? 

sure ... just about everything outweighs pairs of anything from OU    :)

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