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IF betting lines were offered on NCAA wrestling

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I wholeheartedly disagree.

 

Opens the door for more corruption and questionable outcomes where athletes can take a payoff to lie down. I don't like exposing our sport to this type of potential issue. Is it extreme? Yes, but so was point-shaving when people thought there was no way basketball players would sacrifice winning for money.

 

We've got a pure sport from a competition standpoint. I'd like to keep it that way. Any scandal would put our sport on the block even more than it is now.

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Yeah but how often do point shaving scandals happen in other sports? Compared to how many games are played not many at all. Also those scandals didnt do anything to take fans love for the game away, those sports are as strong as ever. With the Olympics gone and probably not coming back, when does the trickle down effect come? It's not out of the realm of possibility that NCAA wrestling isnt even around 25-30 years from now and even then with maybe a dozen or two programs tops.

 

I'm just thinking about the long term health of the sport which doesnt look good at all. I hope I am wrong.

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There were betting lines. The people who did them were idiots. I got Dake at +2.5 what a bunch of morons. I also won by betting on St. John who was even money and Nelson who was a slight favorite.

 

Yeah for one event and was only offered by a couple books. I'm talking about offering lines like they do for Football and Basketball.

 

Also, just curious but what book was offering Dake at +2.5? Didn't see that number anywhere.

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There were betting lines. The people who did them were idiots. I got Dake at +2.5 what a bunch of morons. I also won by betting on St. John who was even money and Nelson who was a slight favorite.

 

Yeah for one event and was only offered by a couple books. I'm talking about offering lines like they do for Football and Basketball.

 

Also, just curious but what book was offering Dake at +2.5? Didn't see that number anywhere.

 

The only one I found. They changed it a couple hours later but I got my bet in when Dake was +2.5. Whoever did that must be kicking himself. It reminded me of when a few years ago Burroughs was something ridiculous like +250 vs the field, with the reasoning being he hadn't competed the previous season so he was seen by somebody as an unknown. God bless stupidity.

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If you don't think that it will raise interest and TV ratings, well I don't what to tell you. It 100% would. As far as point shaving or guys laying down for money, these kids are so competitive and hard nosed, do you really think that would happen?

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If you don't think that it will raise interest and TV ratings, well I don't what to tell you. It 100% would. As far as point shaving or guys laying down for money, these kids are so competitive and hard nosed, do you really think that would happen?

 

I guess you don't pay attention to the world championships and occasionally the Olympics.

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If you don't think that it will raise interest and TV ratings, well I don't what to tell you. It 100% would. As far as point shaving or guys laying down for money, these kids are so competitive and hard nosed, do you really think that would happen?

 

I guess you don't pay attention to the world championships and occasionally the Olympics.

 

I don't get what you're trying to say. Of course I do.

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If you don't think that it will raise interest and TV ratings, well I don't what to tell you. It 100% would. As far as point shaving or guys laying down for money, these kids are so competitive and hard nosed, do you really think that would happen?

 

I guess you don't pay attention to the world championships and occasionally the Olympics.

 

I don't get what you're trying to say. Of course I do.

 

Matches are thrown in international competition fairly regularly. Karam Gaber loses 15-11 in the finals of the 2003 worlds and comes back to win by tech fall against the same guy in the 2004 Olympics. Mijain Lopez loses in the 2011 world finals to Kayyalp from Turkey. Comes back to beat him in the Olympics handily. Reineris Salas got banned for good by Cuba for throwing matches during the world cup. It happens.

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They offer lines for NCAA's and Olympics. Some sites might even do world championships? If they were offered more it would help our sport, not hurt it. If its good enough for college football and basketball, it's good enough for wrestling. Holding our sport on a pedestal has done nothing to help us.

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They offer lines for NCAA's and Olympics. Some sites might even do world championships? If they were offered more it would help our sport, not hurt it. If its good enough for college football and basketball, it's good enough for wrestling. Holding our sport on a pedestal has done nothing to help us.

 

 

Exactly! Thank you!

 

I know they offer for NCAA's and Olympic's but I'm talking about for every dual and tourney, not just the rare event. For those thinking scandals are all of a sudden gonna pop up, how many NCAA matches were thrown over the years at the events they offer now?

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So we're misguided by thinking an activity illegal in 48 states that's got ties to organized crime and a litany of other ethical questions is a positive for our sport?

 

The risk for corruption exists more in individual sports than it does in team sports. I've seen gambling destroy people's lives the same way drugs do.

 

It's a bad idea.

 

No one's throwing matches at the NCAA's because there's no back room briefcase handoffs ... because one tournament a year with minimal sports books does not have any shred of influence. You open up Pandora's box.

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only make lines for duals to take away the individual aspect? lines exist now for the ncaa tournament, but you are capped at $250 per bet from sportsbook. there is something to be said about the integrity of the outcome when wagering is available on a large scale. mma has been able to avoid scandal that i am aware of so far. the difference would be that those guys make more money to win, where ncaa wrestling wins pride and accomplishment. it all comes down to the integrity of the individual competing. i personally don't think it would be an issue and believe it would bring in some people from the fringe.

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You also have to keep in mind that a wrestler is a different breed of a man. You think a Tom Brands type is going to lay down for anyone? MMA gambling is huge and they havent dealt with any gambling scandal so why would NCAA wrestling? Even in the rare instance that it did, has it killed other sports where it has happened? No, they are just as healthy as ever.

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So we are different breeds to the point we don't do anything sketchy? We have great people in our sport, but we, just like any other portion of the population have scumbags and opportunists looking to screw over people.

 

Let's not open that box to exploit out sport in a negative way.

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It’s not going to make a difference one way or the other.

 

The small number of people we’d gain from sports betting would fall within the white noise in the fan base variation we have just from the parents of kids that enter and leave the sport annually.

 

The same holds true of the fan base we’d lose if there were a “point shaving” scandal. Fans are fans regardless and they would rightfully see it as a very rare occurrence.

 

 

Statistically they are both insignificant

 

Hey we survived a gay porn scandal and that plays directly into the uninformed stereotype.

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Sooooo... to summarize.

 

Yes - gambling can increase fan participation. Not a problem because a line is, in fact, already offered in at least a couple places. (And with odds that would seem inviting for fans that are in-the-know.) No need for more (office wrestling pools aren't in the cards anytime soon.)

 

No, having NCAA wrestling gambling being pushed could have an negative effect. Which isn't much a problem, because the lines seem to be focused solely on the NCAA championships. Only an annual event, not enough to provide payola for dives, and probably too important an event for individuals to actually want to take a dive. In any case, no matter how much people don't like it - the gambling isn't going anywhere.

 

Great thread. One where we actually all win. Take a side - and you win!

 

Now, back to the thread on National Duals for a real challenge....

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