Dartsingle 20 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 Just watched the match from today of Yanni vs Musukaev. I think Yanni was screwed out of two scoring situations (1) should have gotten a 4 instead of just a 1 point out of bounds (2) should have been a 2 & 2 exchange rather than 2 for Musukaev....which resulted in a failed challenge by Yanni's corner thus adding another point. I absolutely HATE how Musukaev wrestled...and it was clear Yanni was frustrated. However, Yanni seemed to have trouble creating any real angles to shots and was basically just shooting and extending which played to Musukaev's game of backup, sprawl, circle. Thoughts ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TFBJR 464 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 I watched it twice and I thought Yanni (as much as I love the guy) was a bit outclassed. Yanni has the much better gas tank. Musukaev did what he wanted early and then backed away. I felt like if he had to turn it on he would have ben able to, although by the end he was sucking wind and calling for TO. 3 wamba, spladle08 and Dartsingle reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie v2 1,116 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 Musukaev is World Champ quality... for about 2 or 3 minutes every match. When Yianni beat him he was even more outclassed than today, Musukaev just had an all-time gas out. 2 GoNotQuietly and bnwtwg reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shiraz123 822 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 It wasn't 4 he was 3 miles out of the mat when he hit that move 1 JHRoseWrestling reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dartsingle 20 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 29 minutes ago, Shiraz123 said: It wasn't 4 he was 3 miles out of the mat when he hit that move From my perspective...Yianni started the move in bounds - continuous movement from initial attack which went out of bounds; there was no break in momentum Watch the Yianni vs. Mckenna match...he hits a four to end the match and ends up '3 miles out' there too..but it's scored. Obviously the judges saw something different - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AHamilton 1,026 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 38 minutes ago, Dartsingle said: From my perspective...Yianni started the move in bounds - continuous movement from initial attack which went out of bounds; there was no break in momentum Watch the Yianni vs. Mckenna match...he hits a four to end the match and ends up '3 miles out' there too..but it's scored. Obviously the judges saw something different - I thought they were already out when he initiated the move, and that it wasn't continuation of an action that started in bounds. Yianni's corner didn't think it was worth throwing a brick? Did they still have the brick? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 Musukaev had already stepped out and yanni did not start the action that lead to the throw until he was clearly out of bounds with both feet... had yanni stepped out with his lead foot while starting the throw then continuation would be in play... he did not... this was an easy call to make... you have to understand the rules before you start complaining about them... 1 AHamilton reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 also, you can not counter out of bounds... that was an ill advised yolo brick by yanni's corner... 2 AHamilton and hammerlockthree reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,581 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 Tactics... Musk went out determined to wrestle half a match, so Yianni chases and gets countered instead of getting a shot clock point.... Its had to blame Yianni cause this is sort of the opposite of his match with JO. Oliver floated to the edge, Yianni let him wrestle out there cause its not that smart, but couldn't stop the late sprint. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJDan 1,060 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 Musk should have been disqualified. Anyway, YD still has a chance to win the tournament. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNotQuietly 1,168 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, steamboat_charlie v2 said: Musukaev is World Champ quality... for about 2 or 3 minutes every match. When Yianni beat him he was even more outclassed than today, Musukaev just had an all-time gas out. This. Does this dude have like a medical condition or is he a heavy smoker or substance abuser? He wouldn't even need to be the best conditioned athlete to be a consistent threat, just not the absolute worst. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbai3_12 47 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, GoNotQuietly said: This. Does this dude have like a medical condition or is he a heavy smoker or substance abuser? He wouldn't even need to be the best conditioned athlete to be a consistent threat, just not the absolute worst. I totally agree! Never seen someone that high of caliber gas so hard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNotQuietly 1,168 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 Just now, jbai3_12 said: I totally agree! Never seen someone that high of caliber gas so hard. Only the infamous Boltukaev, and that was VERY clearly a chemical additive mishap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie v2 1,116 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 34 minutes ago, GoNotQuietly said: This. Does this dude have like a medical condition or is he a heavy smoker or substance abuser? He wouldn't even need to be the best conditioned athlete to be a consistent threat, just not the absolute worst. There are plenty of people that have their suspicions about Musukaev's... "training regiment." Reckless speculation, of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dartsingle 20 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, LJB said: Musukaev had already stepped out and yanni did not start the action that lead to the throw until he was clearly out of bounds with both feet... had yanni stepped out with his lead foot while starting the throw then continuation would be in play... he did not... this was an easy call to make... you have to understand the rules before you start complaining about them... I disagree with a call.....I must not understand the rules (lol).. I understand the rules very well....I've followed international wrestling and all the rule changes for well over 25 years. There's a reason why one of the biggest complaints in freestyle wrestling is that many scoring positions are too judgmental. Or maybe no-one understands the rules as well as you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Dartsingle said: I disagree with a call.....I must not understand the rules (lol).. I understand the rules very well....I've followed international wrestling and all the rule changes for well over 25 years. There's a reason why one of the biggest complaints in freestyle wrestling is that many scoring positions are too judgmental. Or maybe no-one understands the rules as well as you You do not understand the rules if you still think yanni should have got 4... it was the right call and a very easy one to make... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cu155 32 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, LJB said: You do not understand the rules if you still think yanni should have got 4... it was the right call and a very easy one to make... He might not have gotten 4, but his name definitely should have gotten 2 i's in it... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, cu155 said: He might not have gotten 4, but his name definitely should have gotten 2 i's in it... Chincy, but, fair... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AHamilton 1,026 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, cu155 said: He might not have gotten 4, but his name definitely should have gotten 2 i's in it... John? There isn't even one "i" in John? Edited June 9, 2021 by AHamilton Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cu155 32 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, AHamilton said: John? There isn't even one "i" in John? I'm pretty sure presidents, even the dead ones, were given tips on how to address people by their preferred names ;) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wrestleknownothing 1,447 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 3 hours ago, AHamilton said: John? There isn't even one "i" in John? There is no team in I. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AHamilton 1,026 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 1 hour ago, cu155 said: I'm pretty sure presidents, even the dead ones, were given tips on how to address people by their preferred names ;) What about Secretary of the Treasury? How about UWW? I once knew a person who asked to be called "Bluegrass" in a professional setting. His name, coincidentally, was also "John." I called him John. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu_alum 918 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 John? There isn't even one "i" in John?John is what UWW uses, which I’m pretty sure aligns with a person’s passport. Not sure where Yianni came from or started, but data would suggest his real (official) name is John. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1032004 1,408 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 7 hours ago, LJB said: Musukaev had already stepped out and yanni did not start the action that lead to the throw until he was clearly out of bounds with both feet... had yanni stepped out with his lead foot while starting the throw then continuation would be in play... he did not... this was an easy call to make... you have to understand the rules before you start complaining about them... I don’t know the rules. Was the 4 for Musukaev the correct call? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cu155 32 Report post Posted June 9, 2021 16 minutes ago, AHamilton said: What about Secretary of the Treasury? How about UWW? I once knew a person who asked to be called "Bluegrass" in a professional setting. His name, coincidentally, was also "John." I called him John. Bluegrass would be more memorable. 1 AHamilton reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
