Odds for Freestyle Olympics

[alliseeisgold 98]

taylor and yazdani both at plus odds - if you bet both equal amounts don't you win no matter what

[77again 120]

No.

If you bet $100 on both Taylor and Yazdani and Yazdani wins, you get $200 back on Yazdani (your 100 and the 100 for the win) so you net $100, but you lost $100 on Taylor so you break even.

If Taylor wins, you  net $125 on Taylor, but lose $100 on Yazdani, so you come away with $25.

If neither win, you lost $200

[GoNotQuietly 1,175]

taylor and yazdani both at plus odds - if you bet both equal amounts don't you win no matter what

No, not quite:

 

If you bet a hundred on each

Yazdani wins: you make 100 and lose 100

Taylor wins: you make 125 and lose 100

Anyone else wins: you lose 200

 

 

Edit: beat me to it, 77

 

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[amd329 3]

Alright the odds are out for 74 and 125kgs. 
 

74kg - odds to win/place top 4

Kaisanov, Daniyar = +225/-500

Sidakov, Zaurbek = +225/-500

Kyle Dake = +250/-400

Frank Chamizo = +400/-250

Hosseinkhani, Mostafa = +700/-112

Abdurakhmonov, Bekzod = +1500/+200

Franklin Gomez = +2500/+250

125kg- odds to win/place top 4

Akgul =+125/-2000

Geno P = +125/-2000

Batirmurazev= +400/-285

Deng= +700/-112

GABLE= +1100/+125

[IronChef 1,099]

Maybe I’m more of a pessimist than I though.  Are you saying the US has had at least one gold in every Olympics since 68 (minus the boycott of 80)?  I know we have medaled a lot, but a gold in every Olympics since 68 would be a fact I wasn’t aware of.  

That's right.
https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/16650

[IronChef 1,099]

2 hours ago, amd329 said:

125kg- odds to win/place top 4

Akgul =+125/-2000

Geno P = +125/-2000

Batirmurazev= +400/-285

Deng= +700/-112

GABLE= +1100/+125

If you are sure one of Akgul or Geno will win but can't decide which, you can make money by betting both of them, since both are greater than +100. Equal bets on both gives you -800 which is significantly better than betting one will finish in the top 4. 

[Lurker 2,039]

15 hours ago, NJDan said:

Can someone explain how these odds work? What is +200 and what is -400?

delete, already answered....

Edited July 15, 2021 by Lurker

[Gantry 1,872]

Probably not the right thread for this, but if Barstool does gambling how are all these college wrestlers getting affiliated with them?  I though no gambling was one of the rules of the new payments for likeness thingies.

And while I'm rooting for him and hope he proves me wrong, -670 for Micic to place top4 seems crazy given that he's never actually placed top4 at worlds/olympics before. 

[bnwtwg 1,065]

11 minutes ago, Gantry said:

Probably not the right thread for this, but if Barstool does gambling how are all these college wrestlers getting affiliated with them?  I though no gambling was one of the rules of the new payments for likeness thingies.

And while I'm rooting for him and hope he proves me wrong, -670 for Micic to place top4 seems crazy given that he's never actually placed top4 at worlds/olympics before. 

Different legal entities (it's the American way)

[amd329 3]

40 minutes ago, Gantry said:

Probably not the right thread for this, but if Barstool does gambling how are all these college wrestlers getting affiliated with them?  I though no gambling was one of the rules of the new payments for likeness thingies.

And while I'm rooting for him and hope he proves me wrong, -670 for Micic to place top4 seems crazy given that he's never actually placed top4 at worlds/olympics before. 

This isn't college wrestling.  It's the Olympics. No college school is affiliated with any of these athletes.  Micic is that high cause he is a 1 seed.  

[BSUBroncoDynasty 15]

9 hours ago, amd329 said:

Alright the odds are out for 74 and 125kgs. 
 

74kg - odds to win/place top 4

Kaisanov, Daniyar = +225/-500

Sidakov, Zaurbek = +225/-500

Kyle Dake = +250/-400

Frank Chamizo = +400/-250

Hosseinkhani, Mostafa = +700/-112

Abdurakhmonov, Bekzod = +1500/+200

Franklin Gomez = +2500/+250

125kg- odds to win/place top 4

Akgul =+125/-2000

Geno P = +125/-2000

Batirmurazev= +400/-285

Deng= +700/-112

GABLE= +1100/+125

What outlet are these odds from? Curious what Zare is listed at. Would guess +800. 

[Eagle26 598]

Based on these odds here’s what I would pick for the best bet to win per weight:

57 - Takahashi - I like his odds!

65 - Otoguro - also pretty good odds for someone of his caliber 

74 - Dake - I think he’s the favorite to win so +250 for him is a good bet.

86 - Taylor - but I’m not confident he beats Yazdani this time. I probably wouldn’t make this bet, just picking one per weight.

97 - Mohammadian - again, wouldn’t make this bet, but at 7:1 it might be worth a shot.

125 - Gable - great odds and I think he is capable of the upset(s). IMO, the best bet out of all the weights even though he has a tough road. He’s a relatively unknown that actually has a chance.

[GoNotQuietly 1,175]

If Chamizo gets the opposite side of the bracket as Dake/Sidakov, +400 is pretty freaking nice odds.

[Mphillips 1,733]

Wont the odds change after the draw?

[NJDan 1,076]

27 minutes ago, Eagle26 said:

Based on these odds here’s what I would pick for the best bet to win per weight:

57 - Takahashi - I like his odds!

65 - Otoguro - also pretty good odds for someone of his caliber 

74 - Dake - I think he’s the favorite to win so +250 for him is a good bet.

86 - Taylor - but I’m not confident he beats Yazdani this time. I probably wouldn’t make this bet, just picking one per weight.

97 - Mohammadian - again, wouldn’t make this bet, but at 7:1 it might be worth a shot.

125 - Gable - great odds and I think he is capable of the upset(s). IMO, the best bet out of all the weights even though he has a tough road. He’s a relatively unknown that actually has a chance.

What is Gable's best result at the international senior level?

[AHamilton 1,026]

9 hours ago, amd329 said:

This isn't college wrestling.  It's the Olympics. No college school is affiliated with any of these athletes.  Micic is that high cause he is a 1 seed.  

The question is about Barstool.  If college athletes are affiliated with Barstool (Spencer Lee, RBY, whole Iowa team, Gable, etc.) , won't they run into issues because Barstool also runs a sportsbook?  That's the issue, and I would imagine bnwtwg supplied the answer.

The rules are fairly clear:  They can't be involved with any gambling entity.  No casino, no gambling site, etc.  No tobacco, no drugs, no alcohol.  etc.  

And there are multiple Olympians associated with various US colleges.

[IronChef 1,099]

Two quick NIL points.
1. Iowa and Minnesota do not have NIL laws, so there is nothing legally (or via the NCAA) prohibiting athletes in Iowa and other states like them without a law from endorsing gambling, tobacco, alcohol, porn, etc. Other states are different, and schools can set their own rules. I was unable to find a list of prohibited industries for the Hawkeyes. Minnesota's policy does prohibit certain industries like sports gambling.
2. It's an open question as to whether or not Barstool Sports is a gambling company, and each school will make their own determination.

[Eagle26 598]

1 hour ago, NJDan said:

What is Gable's best result at the international senior level?

I would say his win over Gwiz is his best senior level win. He doesn’t have many international results at this point which is why his odds are so low. That’s what makes him a good bet. He’s certainly not favored over Geno or Akgul but as good as he looked in destroying a world bronze medalists, I’d say he at least has a chance. Plus, we have a pretty good track record with internationally unknowns coming right out of college… Burroughs, Snyder, Gilman, Coon, Herbert, etc. Being unknown can be an advantage. 

[alliseeisgold 98]

22 hours ago, 77again said:

No.

If you bet $100 on both Taylor and Yazdani and Yazdani wins, you get $200 back on Yazdani (your 100 and the 100 for the win) so you net $100, but you lost $100 on Taylor so you break even.

If Taylor wins, you  net $125 on Taylor, but lose $100 on Yazdani, so you come away with $25.

If neither win, you lost $200

but if you bet both taylor and yazdani (5000 each for example) you have no downside and only upside in form of 1000 + if taylor wins

what should odds be that someone else wins this ? like it should be -2000 for yazdani OR taylor to win 

which was is punia only +500 - i feel anyone besides those 2 should be plus 1000

which means + money for yazdani or taylor is good odds even if you just bet one

Both should be -110. How can you not have to pay juice to bet 1 of 2 guys who are going to win it ? This is basically a football game bet both sides (team yazdani team taylor)

[HawkY 112]

40 minutes ago, Eagle26 said:

I would say his win over Gwiz is his best senior level win. He doesn’t have many international results at this point which is why his odds are so low. That’s what makes him a good bet. He’s certainly not favored over Geno or Akgul but as good as he looked in destroying a world bronze medalists, I’d say he at least has a chance. Plus, we have a pretty good track record with internationally unknowns coming right out of college… Burroughs, Snyder, Gilman, Coon, Herbert, etc. Being unknown can be an advantage. 

Gwiz did win two bronzes at worlds, but it doesn't look  like he was currently at medal contender level* (assuming a fair draw ) when Gable beat him. His uncompetitive loss to Zare confirms that and at his last bronze at 2018, he underperformed with a generous draw. 

 

I'm really curious to see how he would do against a Dzianis litmus test. I think Dzianis is the bronze standard of 125 currently.  If he destroy Dzianis then imo only Akgul can raise his level enough to stand any chance. If Gable is competitive with Dzianis then I think he is at the mercy of lady luck with how it pans out.  

[Eagle26 598]

7 hours ago, HawkY said:

Gwiz did win two bronzes at worlds, but it doesn't look  like he was currently at medal contender level* (assuming a fair draw ) when Gable beat him. His uncompetitive loss to Zare confirms that and at his last bronze at 2018, he underperformed with a generous draw. 

 

I'm really curious to see how he would do against a Dzianis litmus test. I think Dzianis is the bronze standard of 125 currently.  If he destroy Dzianis then imo only Akgul can raise his level enough to stand any chance. If Gable is competitive with Dzianis then I think he is at the mercy of lady luck with how it pans out.  

Yeah I agree Gwiz is no where near the top guys and would be very unlikely to medal. I would have loved to see Gable against some of the top ranked guys internationally too. But if we did and he won, we wouldn’t be getting +1100 odds. He’s completely unproven… just making the point that it might be worth a chance at those odds because I think he is a rare talent.

[NJDan 1,076]

Meanwhile, does anyone know a bookie who is actually accepting bets on Olympic wrestling? I looked a little and could not find one.

[snapspinscore 44]

I feel like Gable is the easiest guy in the world to judge by the eye test. Considering his weight class, and the fact that only 2 guys in the world can possibly match his athleticism, I feel like you can just watch him and make the conclusion that he is a good bet to medal. I personally feel like outside of Taha and Geno,  he is going to destroy everyone else in the field. I truly mean destroy too, I don't think there is anyone else in the world that he cannot tech.

[Lurker 2,039]

10 hours ago, Eagle26 said:

Plus, we have a pretty good track record with internationally unknowns coming right out of college… Burroughs, Snyder, Gilman, Coon, Herbert, etc. Being unknown can be an advantage. 

Totally agree with what you are saying here.  But have to add a couple things; we do see alot of guys that come in unknown, and medal right off the bat, and the evidence that its largely because they are unknown is that they don't medal again.  (Brandon Eggum for example).  The other thing is that I don't know Gable is unknown, being a Cadet World Champ, and then a Junior world Champ while still a Cadet.  With video resources being what they are today, you can guarantee with his pedigree and the noise he has made over the past year, they will have the video running on him.  I don't think he is going to fit into this unknown medalist category.  If he wins, its because he is that good.  

Then again, to counter my counter......video is one thing, getting your hands on them is another.   It's definitely extremely interesting going into the games.

[amd329 3]

Lot's of movement on some of these odds. 

1. Dake down from +250 to win to +180.  Sidakov is now the favorite at +175.  Kaisinov moved to +250.  

2. Gable down from +1100 to win to +500.  Gable -225 to place top 4 now.  

3. Geno P up from +100 to +175.  Taha Akgul stays at +125. 

4. Taylor moved from +130 to +100.  Yazdani moved from +100 to +125