Steveson - Petriashvili gold medal match

[Billyhoyle 2,471]

1 minute ago, Lurker said:

From the USOC. 

250,000 from USAW's Live the Dream fund

That's one nice food truck. 

[Holtfan 83]

My thoughts are this....if we ever see him in Freestyle again, that is......If Steveson doesn't learn some sort of Gut or Lift, he's vulnerable to exactly what happened today.  Get a lead with a couple takedowns and a pushout, but then get taken down and rolled 3 times......he was not that far away from being rolled 2 or 3 more times to simply end the match.  If he gets the takedown, he need to work on exposure to end matches and get out of the danger.  He doesn't even attempt anything, just settles for the TD. 

Just my view from the cheap seats.......

 

[Lurker 2,033]

20 minutes ago, Holtfan said:

My thoughts are this....if we ever see him in Freestyle again, that is......If Steveson doesn't learn some sort of Gut or Lift, he's vulnerable to exactly what happened today.  Get a lead with a couple takedowns and a pushout, but then get taken down and rolled 3 times......he was not that far away from being rolled 2 or 3 more times to simply end the match.  If he gets the takedown, he need to work on exposure to end matches and get out of the danger.  He doesn't even attempt anything, just settles for the TD. 

Just my view from the cheap seats.......

 

All very true and completely agree.

But will add: this is the case for almost every single American in their first major senior level tournament (international).  Gable just happens to be so good that he can get an Olympic gold with that glaring weakness.  If we were to see him continue through '24 and focusing solely on senior level FS, I have no doubt he will be able to develop the par-terre game.

[wamba 52]

37 minutes ago, Holtfan said:

My thoughts are this....if we ever see him in Freestyle again, that is......If Steveson doesn't learn some sort of Gut or Lift, he's vulnerable to exactly what happened today.  Get a lead with a couple takedowns and a pushout, but then get taken down and rolled 3 times......he was not that far away from being rolled 2 or 3 more times to simply end the match.  If he gets the takedown, he need to work on exposure to end matches and get out of the danger.  He doesn't even attempt anything, just settles for the TD. 

Just my view from the cheap seats.......

 

Dude, he's 21 and just won a gold. He's been jumping levels quickly over the last 1-2 years. 

The gap will get bigger not smaller if he sticks with wrestling.

Though sadly I can't imagine he does stick with the sport. 

Edited August 6, 2021 by wamba

[dman115 513]

Weird how people are so quick to downplay one of the most amazing Olympic wrestling performances in a long time...by a 21 year old.  SMH....

[JeanGuy 147]

Was anyone surprised that the Ref put them back on their feet instantly after the first takedown with about 10 seconds left? Gable stood up and the ref said ok. I thought he would have to be on top for a period of time.

[wamba 52]

What are the thoughts on the 4 pointer he didn't get?

I feel it was 4. I can see what his coahces were thinking when they didn't challenge at the time as he was up 4-0 and he'd have been up 4-1 if the call went against him. 

Given he was risking 1 pt to win 3 pts I still think they should have challenged IMO if they feel they even had a 50% chance of winning it. It'd also have given him criteria in a tie. 

That being said, great that the call/no challenge didn't bite him in the ass

[gimpeltf 2,045]

8 minutes ago, JeanGuy said:

Was anyone surprised that the Ref put them back on their feet instantly after the first takedown with about 10 seconds left? Gable stood up and the ref said ok. I thought he would have to be on top for a period of time.

I wondered about that myself. I remember back in the day we were told either (different times IIRC) to caution him for doing that or just to put him back down.

[LJB 2,093]

19 minutes ago, JeanGuy said:

Was anyone surprised that the Ref put them back on their feet instantly after the first takedown with about 10 seconds left? Gable stood up and the ref said ok. I thought he would have to be on top for a period of time.

i definitely raised my admittedly bleary eyes at that as well...

 

[AHamilton 1,026]

3 hours ago, Billyhoyle said:

If Gable goes to WWE, what happens to the guy currently in WWE pretending to be Gable.  Does he have to change his name?  There can't be two Gables.  

2012 Greco Olympian Chas Betts?

[LJB 2,093]

all gables pale in comparison to this gable...

wait...

NM...

[JeanGuy 147]

21 minutes ago, gimpeltf said:

I wondered about that myself. I remember back in the day we were told either (different times IIRC) to caution him for doing that or just to put him back down.

Ok. Looked like he slipped into a little folk style catch and release.

[uncle bernard 1,112]

1 hour ago, Holtfan said:

My thoughts are this....if we ever see him in Freestyle again, that is......If Steveson doesn't learn some sort of Gut or Lift, he's vulnerable to exactly what happened today.  Get a lead with a couple takedowns and a pushout, but then get taken down and rolled 3 times......he was not that far away from being rolled 2 or 3 more times to simply end the match.  If he gets the takedown, he need to work on exposure to end matches and get out of the danger.  He doesn't even attempt anything, just settles for the TD. 

Just my view from the cheap seats.......

 

I think the easier solution is to just learn basic par terre defense. He looked a bit lost under there. Hips were turned the wrong direction for example. When's the last time he was underneath someone? 

[Perry 1,423]

31 minutes ago, wamba said:

What are the thoughts on the 4 pointer he didn't get?

I feel it was 4. I can see what his coahces were thinking when they didn't challenge at the time as he was up 4-0 and he'd have been up 4-1 if the call went against him. 

Given he was risking 1 pt to win 3 pts I still think they should have challenged IMO if they feel they even had a 50% chance of winning it. It'd also have given him criteria in a tie. 

That being said, great that the call/no challenge didn't bite him in the ass

Things get iffy with continuation at the oob line. Typically if the move started in bounds and the continued action results in a higher scored move it is then awarded. If an athlete steps out then his opponent lifts and dumps him it wojld usually only be the step out. It was close, and I'm not confident they'd overturn the call. Was still bad ass all the same and definitely sent a message.

[Katie 1,076]

8 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

I think the easier solution is to just learn basic par terre defense. He looked a bit lost under there. Hips were turned the wrong direction for example. When's the last time he was underneath someone? 

If he pursues freestyle, he'll be fine.  As of now, he's a student-athlete who focuses on folkstyle.  He's capable of getting a lot better.

[lu1979 558]

14 hours ago, HawkY said:

On paper its all wrong for Geno.

 

Geno's style is I'll keep on attacking, if you can counter me thats okay because I have a great engine and at the end of the day I'll have more points than you. What if someone can counter all your attempts and your in danger of getting teched. Its hard to ask a champion to change styles on the fly. But I think he will try after seeing Akgul. 

Best bet of beating Gable is something like a Taymazov circa 2012. Extremely strong guy doing conservative wrestling with pushouts and positions. 

The reason why I thought Gable wouldn't get past the big 2 is their strength/size. He had no problems with Taha in that regard and Geno is even slower. 

I thought you had said Gable was too short to beat the best heavyweights?  Luckily his short stature didn't hurt him to much against 6' 5" Geno or 6' 4" Taha or the 1st guy he had who was also 6' 5".  

[lu1979 558]

2 hours ago, ssoH said:

Gold pays $37,500 

No Olympic Gold pays $250,000 from USAW's Dream fund.

[lu1979 558]

1 hour ago, wamba said:

What are the thoughts on the 4 pointer he didn't get?

I feel it was 4. I can see what his coahces were thinking when they didn't challenge at the time as he was up 4-0 and he'd have been up 4-1 if the call went against him. 

Given he was risking 1 pt to win 3 pts I still think they should have challenged IMO if they feel they even had a 50% chance of winning it. It'd also have given him criteria in a tie. 

That being said, great that the call/no challenge didn't bite him in the ass

I thought the continuation rule should have applied but I also thought that about Gilman's 1st period gut against Ugaev.  What is the point of having a "continuation" rule if it doesn't apply in those situations.  The rule was suppose to prevent the step out from benefiting the defensive wrestler and stopping a take down or throw if the action happened in a continuous smooth manner.  All through this Olympics that rule seems to have been ignored or discontinued.

[LJB 2,093]

2 minutes ago, lu1979 said:

I thought the continuation rule should have applied but I also thought that about Gilman's 1st period gut against Ugaev.  What is the point of having a "continuation" rule if it doesn't apply in those situations.  The rule was suppose to prevent the step out from benefiting the defensive wrestler and stopping a take down or throw if the action happened in a continuous smooth manner.  All through this Olympics that rule seems to have been ignored or discontinued.

i will have to go back and watch gable, but...

the gilman situation was 100% as per the rules...

uguev stepped out first.... 

then gilman stepped out...

then gilman started his "move"...

it was 100% called right...

[Jrr277 141]

I just watched the match for the third time and it's the best freestyle match I've ever seen. Maybe it's recency bias or my American homerism, but it was simply an amazing display by both wrestlers.

[Wrestleknownothing 1,451]

1 hour ago, JeanGuy said:

Was anyone surprised that the Ref put them back on their feet instantly after the first takedown with about 10 seconds left? Gable stood up and the ref said ok. I thought he would have to be on top for a period of time.

For me, that was the thing.

I looked at as a savvy veteran move from a rookie.

He almost immediately stood up after the first take down and dared the ref NOT to blow the whistle. Petriashvili even looked at the ref in disbelief that the whistle was blown so fast.

Maybe it was a folkstyle reflex, but I am going with high wrestling IQ instead. As soon as he did that I thought he is actually going to pull this off.

[HawkY 112]

42 minutes ago, lu1979 said:

I thought you had said Gable was too short to beat the best heavyweights?  Luckily his short stature didn't hurt him to much against 6' 5" Geno or 6' 4" Taha or the 1st guy he had who was also 6' 5".  

I predicted that Geno would win and that Gable would lose to him or Taha. I never said Gable was too short to ever beat them. Thats was a voice in your head. 

[headshuck 2,586]

I think MissouriGrad may have said that.

[GoNotQuietly 1,168]

Was anyone surprised that the Ref put them back on their feet instantly after the first takedown with about 10 seconds left? Gable stood up and the ref said ok. I thought he would have to be on top for a period of time.

Very very surprised. Didn’t think you were really allowed to cut someone. In Greco, if we wanted to get back to our feet, we would just grab a leg.


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[Lurker 2,033]

I’ve seen refs blow it up when top guy looks at them to forfeit top position. And I believe it’s the right call. Top guy got the takedown and earned the opportunity. If he wants to forfeit that opportunity, no reason to stop it.