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Looking at 97kg: 

3 Olympic/World Champions

- Sadulaev (2x Olympic champ, 4x world champ, 1x silver)

- Snyder (1x Olympic champ, 2x world champ, 2x silver, 1x bronze)

- Sharifov (1x Olympic champ, 1x world champ, 1x silver, 2x bronze) 

7 other World/Olympic medalists 

- Odikadze (1x bronze)

- Mohammamdian (1x bronze)

- Salas (2x silver, 1x bronze)

- Nurov (1x bronze)

- Ibragimov (1x bronze)

- Conyedo (2x bronze) 

- Saritov (2x bronze) 

 

That's 28 total medals with 11 Gold after Tokyo.  A lot of the 97kg guys were old though, and some of their medals were from a long time ago.

 

I don't know if 97kg was the toughest, but it was probably the most decorated and featured the #1 wrestler in Sadulaev. 

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7 minutes ago, goStanford18 said:

Looking at 97kg: 

3 Olympic/World Champions

- Sadulaev (2x Olympic champ, 4x world champ, 1x silver)

- Snyder (1x Olympic champ, 2x world champ, 2x silver, 1x bronze)

- Sharifov (1x Olympic champ, 1x world champ, 1x silver, 2x bronze) 

7 other World/Olympic medalists 

- Odikadze (1x bronze)

- Mohammamdian (1x bronze)

- Salas (2x silver, 1x bronze)

- Nurov (1x bronze)

- Ibragimov (1x bronze)

- Conyedo (2x bronze) 

- Saritov (2x bronze) 

 

That's 28 total medals with 11 Gold after Tokyo.  A lot of the 97kg guys were old though, and some of their medals were from a long time ago.

 

I don't know if 97kg was the toughest, but it was probably the most decorated and featured the #1 wrestler in Sadulaev. 

On paper 97 is frightening, in real life I’d say it was one of the weaker weight classes outside the finalists.  The wrestling itself wasn’t great.  Bunch of dudes who should be starting their coaching careers in very short order.

I believe the discussion was had elsewhere already, but 65kg was stacked and had the highest quality wrestling of the weight classes. 

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The top four at 125 kg are a tough as any, and the most athletic crop of heavies I've ever seen. 86 kg lacks any depth, but the top two are possibly in the top 5 pound for pound. 65 kg I think it's the deepest and most competitive weight, though I don't think there were any big surprises at this weight this year.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, goStanford18 said:

Ibragimov (1x bronze)

Didn't he take silver to Gatsalov way back in '04? 

Or is that another 96/97kg Russian/Uzbek Magomed Ibragimov from Makhachkala, Dagestan? Wikipedia has different middle names and birth dates...IIRC the Tokyo 2020 broadcast said he took that silver.

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2 hours ago, Crotalus said:

The top for at 125 kg are a tough as any, and the most athletic crop of heavies I've ever seen. 86 kg lacks any depth, but the top two are possibly in the top 5 pound for pound. 65 kg I think it's the deepest and most competitive weight, though I don't think there were any big surprises at this weight this year.

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Aliev making the finals certainly exceeded anything he has done since he moved up to 65kg.  He finished 2nd in the Euro Qualifier in this tournament.  I thought that was a bit surprising.  

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Aliev making the finals certainly exceeded anything he has done since he moved up to 65kg.  He finished 2nd in the Euro Qualifier in this tournament.  I thought that was a bit surprising.  
That's a good point. He certainly has a great resume, but not up at the weight. Still doesn't surprise me too much.

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3 hours ago, Crotalus said:

The top for at 125 kg are a tough as any, and the most athletic crop of heavies I've ever seen. 86 kg lacks any depth, but the top two are possibly in the top 5 pound for pound. 65 kg I think it's the deepest and most competitive weight, though I don't think there were any big surprises at this weight this year.

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I second this opinion. Upperweights had the best talent but lacked any depth outside of the elite tier. 57 and 65 were filled with uber-talented buzzsaws and I would not have been surprised if any of 4-6 competitors won at those weights because they were tough as nails.

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4 hours ago, Crotalus said:

The top for at 125 kg are a tough as any, and the most athletic crop of heavies I've ever seen. 86 kg lacks any depth, but the top two are possibly in the top 5 pound for pound. 65 kg I think it's the deepest and most competitive weight, though I don't think there were any big surprises at this weight this year.

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I think 65 will always depend on Otoguru, with the only surprises being whether or not he gets injured or doesn’t attend.

Otoguru is one of the most impressive wrestlers I have ever seen.  In the traditional japanese way, he takes very basic ingredients, and tranfoems them into something nobody else ever could. Dude is incredible, and incredibly disciplined. 

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Greco 67kg
Women 68kg

Each had NINE wrestlers who have been on the top of the podium at a World-level competition. Even at the age-group levels, that shows 

67kg (9)

Karen Aslanyan (Armenia)

2013 Junior World Champion

Ismael Borrero Molina (Cuba)

2016 Olympic Champion, 2x World Champion (2015, 2019)

Mohamed Elsayed (Egypt)

2x U23 World Champion (2018, 2019)

Ramaz Zoidze (Georgia)

2016 Junior World Champion, 2011 Cadet World Champion

Frank Staebler (Germany)

3x World Champion (2015, 2017, 2018)

Balint Korpasi (Hungary)

2016 World Champion

Mohammadreza Geraei (Iran)

2019 U23 World Champion

Hansu Ryu (Korea)

2x World Champion (2013, 2017)

Artem Surkov (Russian Olympic Committee)

2018 World Champion

 

68kg (9)

Danielle Lappage (Canada)

2010 Junior World Champion

Yudari Sanchez Rodriguez (Cuba)

2018 U23 World Champion

Koumba Larroque (France)

2x Junior World Champion (2016, 2018), 2015 Cadet World Champion

Sara Dosho (Japan)

2016 Olympic Champion, 2017 World Champion, 2011 Junior World Champion

Battsetseg Soronzonbold (Mongolia)

2x World Champion (2010, 2015)

Feng Zhou (People's Rep. of China)

2012 Junior World Champion

Khanum Velieva (Russian Olympic Committee)

2017 Junior World Champion, 2x Cadet World Champion (2014, 2016)

Alla Cherkasova (Ukraine)

2018 World Champion

Tamyra Mensah-Stock (United States)

2019 World Champion

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11 hours ago, Drew87 said:

I think 65 will always depend on Otoguru, with the only surprises being whether or not he gets injured or doesn’t attend.

Otoguru is one of the most impressive wrestlers I have ever seen.  In the traditional japanese way, he takes very basic ingredients, and tranfoems them into something nobody else ever could. Dude is incredible, and incredibly disciplined. 

When Otoguru was coming on to wrestl, the Iranian announcer said " Otoguru does not appear to have any muscles, but he is one of the best wrestlers around"

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On 8/10/2021 at 12:20 PM, JasonBryant said:

Greco 67kg
Women 68kg

Each had NINE wrestlers who have been on the top of the podium at a World-level competition. Even at the age-group levels, that shows 

67kg (9)

Karen Aslanyan (Armenia)

2013 Junior World Champion

Ismael Borrero Molina (Cuba)

2016 Olympic Champion, 2x World Champion (2015, 2019)

Mohamed Elsayed (Egypt)

2x U23 World Champion (2018, 2019)

Ramaz Zoidze (Georgia)

2016 Junior World Champion, 2011 Cadet World Champion

Frank Staebler (Germany)

3x World Champion (2015, 2017, 2018)

Balint Korpasi (Hungary)

2016 World Champion

Mohammadreza Geraei (Iran)

2019 U23 World Champion

Hansu Ryu (Korea)

2x World Champion (2013, 2017)

Artem Surkov (Russian Olympic Committee)

2018 World Champion

 

68kg (9)

Danielle Lappage (Canada)

2010 Junior World Champion

Yudari Sanchez Rodriguez (Cuba)

2018 U23 World Champion

Koumba Larroque (France)

2x Junior World Champion (2016, 2018), 2015 Cadet World Champion

Sara Dosho (Japan)

2016 Olympic Champion, 2017 World Champion, 2011 Junior World Champion

Battsetseg Soronzonbold (Mongolia)

2x World Champion (2010, 2015)

Feng Zhou (People's Rep. of China)

2012 Junior World Champion

Khanum Velieva (Russian Olympic Committee)

2017 Junior World Champion, 2x Cadet World Champion (2014, 2016)

Alla Cherkasova (Ukraine)

2018 World Champion

Tamyra Mensah-Stock (United States)

2019 World Champion

WOW......Tamara Mensah Stock.....super tough wt. class!!!!  Thanks Jason!

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On 8/10/2021 at 5:49 AM, goStanford18 said:

Looking at 97kg: 

3 Olympic/World Champions

- Sadulaev (2x Olympic champ, 4x world champ, 1x silver)

- Snyder (1x Olympic champ, 2x world champ, 2x silver, 1x bronze)

- Sharifov (1x Olympic champ, 1x world champ, 1x silver, 2x bronze) 

7 other World/Olympic medalists 

- Odikadze (1x bronze)

- Mohammamdian (1x bronze)

- Salas (2x silver, 1x bronze)

- Nurov (1x bronze)

- Ibragimov (1x bronze)

- Conyedo (2x bronze) 

- Saritov (2x bronze) 

 

That's 28 total medals with 11 Gold after Tokyo.  A lot of the 97kg guys were old though, and some of their medals were from a long time ago.

 

I don't know if 97kg was the toughest, but it was probably the most decorated and featured the #1 wrestler in Sadulaev. 

AND if they wrestled out to a true 3rd, how many of those guys would still have bronze medals?  Most of the list is all bronze, not to take away from 3rd, but the list might be a lot shorter.

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The number of world/oly medalist in a weight class is a questionable measure of toughness of a weight class.  They give out the same number of medals every year (with the exception of Covid years).  Lots of medals especially golds, just shows there has been parity for many years, and lots of veterans with previous accomplishments who have not retired.

Who is better JB or Bruce B. on the way to their first Gold or either wrestler at the end of their career with a massive haul of medals?

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65 is always the toughest.

The USA wasn't good enough to even qualify this weight class for the Olympics.

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I have to imagine 65kg is about the average frame size in a significant portion of the world.


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23 hours ago, olddirty said:

97 is probably the toughest to win, easiest to medal in.  65 is the hardest to even get a win in.

86 seemed like an easier weight to medal in. 
  
Myles Amine won a bronze. He is solid and got a dream draw, but he isn’t top 5 domestically. 
  
Punia medals all the time, and we all know he isn’t all that good. Granted he gets incredible  draws every time. 

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