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2 hours ago, drag it said:

I didn't think you were scolding (I actually thought your point was a good one).  I was kidding and attempting to make fun of myself (inartfully, apparently).  

Then I apologize for my tone. Tone is hard to gauge across the internet

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18 minutes ago, BigTimeFan said:

This is disappointing but let’s not forget that Dan Gable won the 1972 Olympics and didn’t seriously compete again. And the US rep in 1973 was Lloyd Keaser, who won gold. Keaser was runner up to Gable in the 1972 trials losing 4-0 to Gable. Cael Sanderson didn’t intend to seriously compete after his 2004 Oly gold. 
 

I know that both stayed in wrestling as coaches (coaches) but this was hardly consolation at the time to those who wanted to see them compete  

pS I know, I know Sanderson and Gable both did compete again but at the time they retired they were serious about moving on. 

To go coach Olympic and world champions and medalists and NCAA champions.  

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6 minutes ago, drag it said:

To go coach Olympic and world champions and medalists and NCAA champions.  

Sure. But when they left both we’re headed to assistant coaching jobs. No one knew they’d become the most dominant coaches of their eras. Both started at Iowa State and then moved on later. Who would have predicted what they’d become?

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18 minutes ago, BigTimeFan said:

Sure. But when they left both we’re headed to assistant coaching jobs. No one knew they’d become the most dominant coaches of their eras. Both started at Iowa State and then moved on later. Who would have predicted what they’d become?

Correct. Because they were competing in a pure and difficult sport, where the results are earned, not scripted.  That's the beauty of staying in this special sport.  He can,  and I hope he does, live a great and affluent life in entertainment; it just won't have those rewards that Gable and Cael and the others discussed have had.  Naive idealist, signing off.  

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3 hours ago, BigTenFanboy said:

Gable and TMS were at Summer Slam last night. Honestly Gable looked pretty small and a bit awkward walking around the ring. Not sure if WWE fans will take to him... 

Looks like he didn’t even wear his medal.  TMS seemed into it though

 

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5 hours ago, Crotalus said:

Gable is not like Burrough, DT, Dake, or Snyder. He doesn't eat and sleep wrestling and clearly doesn't care about being on the (real) wrestling Mt. Rushmore. He accomplished the pinnacle of the sport and is ready to chase his real dream of fame and fortune. No one here wants him to leave the sport, but we can't force our dreams on him like a bad parent. He may end up a bust in the WWE/MMA/acting world, but he won't ever be more than a niche celebrity making a decent living if he stays put, and I don't think his heart would be in it to spend another 10 years trying to become the Paul Newman of a sport most of our country doesn't care about.

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Bingo. 

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18 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Looks like he didn’t even wear his medal.  TMS seemed into it though

 

Is he jet lagged or what? Based on that video, it doesn’t seem like WWE is some huge dream of his as people posting here seem to think.  The publicity that he is getting from appearances like this is great though and he deserves it after his performance. 
 

For those who actually watch WWE, do the fans care about the women WWE actors? Seems like TMS is into it and her name recognition is probably even higher than Gable’s among the WWE fan base. 

Edited by Billyhoyle

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Compare head shots of Dwayne Johnson and Gable Steveson.  And then think about what Sylvester Stallone did to get Rocky made, and then watch his acting in Copland.  They have things that translate to movie success that Steveson does not, just as they could never dream of wrestling like him.

I totally agree with the other commenter that he doesn't live for wresting, which is basically what I said at the end of my post when I said he should follow his heart.  It's just sad for wrestling to see him go at 21.  Jim Brown, who like The Rock, was also way better looking than Gable Steveson (sorry, can't see Gable pulling off the romance shots with Raquel Welch), didn't retire till 29 (and my guess is that 2020s Gable could make as much as 1950s/1960s Brown did, in a less dangerous sport, from ages 21-29).

I was only addressing the $$$ of The Rock and Stallone.

 

As for awkwardness…

 

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1 hour ago, lost said:

Is there a link to gable vs Akgul online somewhere?  I've been hunting around but haven't been able to find a video

I have Xfinity so ymmv, but I believe some sort of cable provider or Peacock subscription will suffice. Here is the match replay link (will kick to the correct time after the auto-play ad)

https://stream.nbcolympics.com/wrestling-day-6-freestyle-mens-74kg-125kg-womens-53kg-finals?time=452291:30:36&ref=widget-event-list

 

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On 8/21/2021 at 9:06 PM, drag it said:

I think the basic takes in here are on the money, although I think the rhetoric, particularly the last sentence, is not as helpful. 

I do find it odd that people on a wrestling board would be cheering him on to skip worlds and leave wrestling. 

This is a 21 year old who overcame some ambivalent performances as a freshman, went all in, and is now one of the top 5 athletes in the world at perhaps the purest  and most honorable sport there is.  That means something, or if it doesn't then I don't know what the point of the message board is.  

So he should give that up to grab a check in a fake sport that is scripted entertainment?  

He can make a very respectable living in wrestling between bonuses for medals, training stipends, endorsements,  etc.  And not risk the very common head injuries that have been broadly alleged to ruin lives in fake wrestling. (I get a kick out of entertainment wrestling, but it is simply not competiton.)

And he can live the dream of every person who has ever put on a singlet by competing as the best at the highest level of the purest sport in the world.  

To say that he shouldn't wrestle because he can make more money elsewhere strikes me as bizarre.  Then let's shut down all folkstyle wrestling in schools and colleges and tell people to study harder, learn more math and science, work on their writing skills, get into better colleges, and make more money as doctors and lawyers and engineers.   

Don't we ourselves watch wrestling obsessively and waste time we could be spending improving our earning potentials because we believe in wrestling as a special endeavor in itself?  And here is a guy who is doing it better than any other 21 year old on the planet and we think it's great that he quits and prioritizes using this amazing accomplishment as leverage for the most money possible in a fake entertainment show? 

A kid named Gable Dan?  The post i quoted speaks eloquently about greatness.  This athlete was named for greatness and achieved a flash of that in Tokyo.  He could achieve true greatness -- Gable greatness, like John Smith and Cael Sanderson and Tom Brands have done competing as athletes, and competing with their charges as coaches. (And by the way, due respect to both guys, neither Lesnar nor even Angle had the potential for that kind of greatness, as Steveson does.)

Whatever Gable Dan Steveson does, if he leaves wrestling now, will have nothing to do with greatness. And isn't watching the quest for greatness what engenders the passion of the people who spend their time following the sport and posting about it?

I expect that Steveson will retire and I think that's what is in his heart given his past comments. He's entitled to make his choices, and if he leaves we can and should celebrate the show he's put on since Cassar exposed his lack of commitment and he rose to the challenge. 

But to me a wrestling board should mourn rather than celebrate this result, which, given the substantially improved earning potential that exists in wrestling for a 21 year old popular gold medalist in 2021, isn't dictated by financial necessity in the way it would have been 20 years ago.

Burroughs and Snyder have taken advantage of this and have achieved sustained greatness.  Not perfection, but in continually laying it on the line after Olympic gold, while making a good living, their college championships and world championships and medals, and their fighting back after defeats, is a reward in itself, the essence of the sport, for them and for American wrestling fans.

This is what is funny about this whole thread. Nobody is cheering him on to leave Olympic wrestling. What people who are not stomping their feet and crying “he needs to do what I want him to do” are doing is understanding he has lots of options right now as a highlight reel Olympic champion, and respecting the fact that it’s his life and, as a fan of his, respecting his decisions whatever they may be.

Far cry from “cheering him on to leave wrestling”. But when you feel entitled to everything in the world you just don’t see things that way. 

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I’d keep the Minny door open until I’ve got something concrete signed.  Plus who knows maybe he’s doing his parents a solid by agreeing to finish a degree (if he can get it in after this year) before moving on.  Not like he can’t cross train MMA or “pro wrestling” while still finishing up at Minn. Especially with the extra sponsor money he’s now eligible for.  

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On 8/22/2021 at 12:47 PM, BigTimeFan said:

Sure. But when they left both we’re headed to assistant coaching jobs. No one knew they’d become the most dominant coaches of their eras. Both started at Iowa State and then moved on later. Who would have predicted what they’d become?

Im guessing Gable and Sanderson were predicting it; most likely sure of it

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2 hours ago, MadMardigain said:

I’d keep the Minny door open until I’ve got something concrete signed.  Plus who knows maybe he’s doing his parents a solid by agreeing to finish a degree (if he can get it in after this year) before moving on.  Not like he can’t cross train MMA or “pro wrestling” while still finishing up at Minn. Especially with the extra sponsor money he’s now eligible for.  

Yup.  I think it’s a little weird that he’d skip Worlds if he was still planning on wrestling  next year, although Mineo now also claiming that due to being in college Gable supposedly wouldn’t be eligible to receive the Living the Dream funds twice in one year.

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54 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Yup.  I think it’s a little weird that he’d skip Worlds if he was still planning on wrestling  next year, although Mineo now also claiming that due to being in college Gable supposedly wouldn’t be eligible to receive the Living the Dream funds twice in one year.

I can 99% assure you that is not true. 
 

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Yup.  I think it’s a little weird that he’d skip Worlds if he was still planning on wrestling  next year, although Mineo now also claiming that due to being in college Gable supposedly wouldn’t be eligible to receive the Living the Dream funds twice in one year.

I don’t think it’s weird. He’s planting seeds. It’s planting season not harvest season.

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Does anyone know what Gable stands to make in WWE un, say, his first two years? Is it more like $100K or more like a $1 million.

How does this money compare to MMA money?

Do WWE fans even know who Gable is and, if they know, do they care?

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