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Brian Smith talks about the RTC about the 1:20 mark. I know you need a subscription. But he said 6 are going to WTT.

My guess would be.

65- Joshua Edmond (qualified by being Junior National Champ in 2020)

65/70- Brock Mauller (qualified by being U23 National Champ in 2020)

70- Jarrett Jacques (last chance Qualifier)

70- Keegan O'Toole (qualified by being Junior National Champ in 2020)

92- Rocky Elam (Placing at Senior Nationals in 2020 at 86)

120 - Dom Bradley

Edited by killdozer

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36 minutes ago, MizzouGrad said:

Dom Bradley. Next. 

And according to Brian Smith, Cox moved to Colorado Springs because he was constantly hounded in Columbia to give speeches, sign autographs and used by the University for all sorts of things. J'den was getting worn down and needed a place where he was basically anonymous. 

There is a reason why Cox has never moved to Columbus or New Jersey despite being affiliated with those RTCs - because he enjoys training with Kevin Jackson and being anonymous. 

lol one guy in the last decade. great college program. don't have the resources to pay multiple athletes really good stipends right now or are just choosing not to. 

did you ever comment on the US performance in Tokyo btw? Wasn't that supposed to be a disaster?

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18 minutes ago, killdozer said:

https://rokfin.com/post/50595/Brian-Smith--Tiger-Style-Has-2-World-Champions?jwsource=cl

Brian Smith talks about the RTC about the 1:20 mark. I know you need a subscription. But he said 6 are going to WTT.

My guess would be.

65- Joshua Edmond (qualified by being Junior National Champ in 2020)

65/70- Brock Mauller (qualified by being U23 National Champ in 2020)

70- Jarrett Jacques (last chance Qualifier)

70- Keegan O'Toole (qualified by being Junior National Champ in 2020)

92- Rocky Elam (Placing at Senior Nationals in 2020 at 86)

120 - Dom Bradley

5/6 are college guys. It's a different thing. If we're counting college guys, HWC has sent dozens of wrestlers to basically every tournament and done well. We're talking about funded senior level athletes.

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Just now, uncle bernard said:

5/6 are college guys. It's a different thing. If we're counting college guys, HWC has sent dozens of wrestlers to basically every tournament and done well. We're talking about funded senior level athletes.

I agree. But they all 5 qualified for the tournament. Did they not.

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41 minutes ago, MizzouGrad said:

And according to Brian Smith, Cox moved to Colorado Springs because he was constantly hounded in Columbia to give speeches, sign autographs and used by the University for all sorts of things. J'den was getting worn down and needed a place where he was basically anonymous. 

There is a reason why Cox has never moved to Columbus or New Jersey despite being affiliated with those RTCs - because he enjoys training with Kevin Jackson and being anonymous. 

Pretty big indictment of Mizzou, the people of Columbia, and even Brian Smith. Running your most successful wrestler ever out of town because you can't stop the institutions/people that are supposed to support him from using him and harassing him? Can't Smith use his influence to keep the Univeristy at Bay or at least help serve as a gate-keeper?

 

The wrestlers in Iowa City are celebrities but people at least have the common decency to let them live a little.

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1 minute ago, killdozer said:

I agree. But they all 5 qualified for the tournament. Did they not.

Sure, but we aren't talking about college athletes, so it's not relevant to the discussion. Eierman wanted a good post-grad RTC to transition into after finishing college.

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14 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

lol one guy in the last decade. great college program. don't have the resources to pay multiple athletes really good stipends right now or are just choosing not to. 

did you ever comment on the US performance in Tokyo btw? Wasn't that supposed to be a disaster?

This is what happens when you work in the public sector: Your mind turns to mush. 

Brian Smith, like John Smith, doesn't believe in RTC's. Why doesn't Dieringer wrestle at Oklahoma St. despite being their best wrestler in a decade? Because John Smith sees RTCs as a massive liability. Willie will be in here in a NYC minute saying how dumb they are, but John and Brian have boiled their argument down to 2 major things.

1.) Liability: If a non-college aged kid is training at the local RTC, then the school is liable for whatever happens to that kid. The worst example of this is Jerry Sandusky at Penn St. and the massive $$ the university has had to payout. But even an injury is a major problem for a university. Let's say a kid seriously hurts himself sparring. Does the university pickup the medical bills? Does the individual programs? 

2.) Ethical Soup: This relates to Point #1, but is broader. Right now, RTCs are operating in no-man's land and the NCAA is too incompetent to make a firm ruling on how they should operate. Most college wrestling programs try to keep their heads down and minimize any issues for the SID and compliance department. There is a lot of gray on how RTCs are operating and whether they are violating NCAA rules around coaches making contact with recruits, etc. 

Right now in college wrestling, we have NLWC and a bunch of RTCs funding 1 senior athlete or two. The NLWC has essentially replaced the OTC and everyone else is playing minor-league ball.

 

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9 minutes ago, MizzouGrad said:

This is what happens when you work in the public sector: Your mind turns to mush. 

Brian Smith, like John Smith, doesn't believe in RTC's. Why doesn't Dieringer wrestle at Oklahoma St. despite being their best wrestler in a decade? Because John Smith sees RTCs as a massive liability. Willie will be in here in a NYC minute saying how dumb they are, but John and Brian have boiled their argument down to 2 major things.

1.) Liability: If a non-college aged kid is training at the local RTC, then the school is liable for whatever happens to that kid. The worst example of this is Jerry Sandusky at Penn St. and the massive $$ the university has had to payout. But even an injury is a major problem for a university. Let's say a kid seriously hurts himself sparring. Does the university pickup the medical bills? Does the individual programs? 

2.) Ethical Soup: This relates to Point #1, but is broader. Right now, RTCs are operating in no-man's land and the NCAA is too incompetent to make a firm ruling on how they should operate. Most college wrestling programs try to keep their heads down and minimize any issues for the SID and compliance department. There is a lot of gray on how RTCs are operating and whether they are violating NCAA rules around coaches making contact with recruits, etc. 

Right now in college wrestling, we have NLWC and a bunch of RTCs funding 1 senior athlete or two. The NLWC has essentially replaced the OTC and everyone else is playing minor-league ball.

 

I'm glad you've conceded the point that Mizzou does not have a robust post-grad RTC and that is why Eierman transferred. You could have saved us all a lot of time by just admitting this from the get go instead of trying to claim Dom Bradley constitutes a serious RTC program.

Love it when a guy forgets where he is in an argument, backs himself into a corner, and ends up accidentally completely conceding the point. Another masterclass from MizzouGrad.

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2 hours ago, MizzouGrad said:

They are broke. The Iowa AD admitted it will take 10 years to get back to even. AD Gary Barta already cut 4 sports and said his department was short $60 million dollars. Plus they are facing multiple lawsuits for cutting a bunch of women's scholarships. 

They have Spencer if his body doesn't implode and basically no one else. And if Big Ten Commissioner Kevin Warren would have gotten his way, Iowa would be in a $100 million budget crisis and Terry Brands would be hawking lemonade outside of Carver

 

Wouldn't that be orange juice?

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1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

He is entered in WTT. Seems pretty prominent (the W stands for World).

Perhaps he even got better. We won't have to wait long to find out.

And no Nick Lee yet. So bonus for Eierman.

I legitimately can't tell if you are disputing my point or supporting it.  However, if he went out in search of a successful RTC and they are bringing a total of two athletes to the 2nd biggest tournament of the year, then I would call that weak representation.  Not to mention:

--In the biggest tournament of the year they had 1 athlete compete and notch a total of 0 wins and.....

--He is one of the two.

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5 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

I'm glad you've conceded the point that Mizzou does not have a robust post-grad RTC and that is why Eierman transferred. You could have saved us all a lot of time by just admitting this from the get go instead of trying to claim Dom Bradley constitutes a serious RTC program.

Love it when a guy forgets where he is in an argument, backs himself into a corner, and ends up accidentally completely conceding the point. Another masterclass from MizzouGrad.

You public workers kill me! No wonder the DMV and post office are always so FUN!

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I need to put it out there that I, and most Mizzou fans, would prefer not to be associated with MizzouGrad.

But in regards to the original topic, two of Jaydin's goals were to win an NCAA title and win a World/Olympic title. Since transferring to Iowa, he did not win an NCAA title in a Yianni-less weight class (losing to someone he had beaten soundly before in Nick Lee), and did not even compete in the Olympic Trials. Obviously his journey is not over yet, but the results haven't materialized so far. Not saying this has anything to do with Iowa, but I think it should be pointed out when people are quick to take the opinion that "Well of course Iowa is going to be a better training situation than Missouri". Obviously it's not just the training situation that matters, but the wrestler most of all.

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35 minutes ago, MizzouGrad said:

This is what happens when you work in the public sector: Your mind turns to mush. 

Brian Smith, like John Smith, doesn't believe in RTC's. Why doesn't Dieringer wrestle at Oklahoma St. despite being their best wrestler in a decade? Because John Smith sees RTCs as a massive liability. Willie will be in here in a NYC minute saying how dumb they are, but John and Brian have boiled their argument down to 2 major things.

1.) Liability: If a non-college aged kid is training at the local RTC, then the school is liable for whatever happens to that kid. The worst example of this is Jerry Sandusky at Penn St. and the massive $$ the university has had to payout. But even an injury is a major problem for a university. Let's say a kid seriously hurts himself sparring. Does the university pickup the medical bills? Does the individual programs? 

2.) Ethical Soup: This relates to Point #1, but is broader. Right now, RTCs are operating in no-man's land and the NCAA is too incompetent to make a firm ruling on how they should operate. Most college wrestling programs try to keep their heads down and minimize any issues for the SID and compliance department. There is a lot of gray on how RTCs are operating and whether they are violating NCAA rules around coaches making contact with recruits, etc. 

Right now in college wrestling, we have NLWC and a bunch of RTCs funding 1 senior athlete or two. The NLWC has essentially replaced the OTC and everyone else is playing minor-league ball.

 

Einstein worked in the public sector when he published general relativity and "the world's most famous equation". We all should have such mush.

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7 minutes ago, Stl said:

I need to put it out there that I, and most Mizzou fans, would prefer not to be associated with MizzouGrad.

But in regards to the original topic, two of Jaydin's goals were to win an NCAA title and win a World/Olympic title. Since transferring to Iowa, he did not win an NCAA title in a Yianni-less weight class (losing to someone he had beaten soundly before in Nick Lee), and did not even compete in the Olympic Trials. Obviously his journey is not over yet, but the results haven't materialized so far. Not saying this has anything to do with Iowa, but I think it should be pointed out when people are quick to take the opinion that "Well of course Iowa is going to be a better training situation than Missouri". Obviously it's not just the training situation that matters, but the wrestler most of all.

Nick Lee is also the reason he didn't compete in the Olympic Team Trials. So perhaps it isn't Iowa's fault.

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1 hour ago, MizzouGrad said:

This is what happens when you work in the public sector: Your mind turns to mush. 

Brian Smith, like John Smith, doesn't believe in RTC's. Why doesn't Dieringer wrestle at Oklahoma St. despite being their best wrestler in a decade? Because John Smith sees RTCs as a massive liability. Willie will be in here in a NYC minute saying how dumb they are, but John and Brian have boiled their argument down to 2 major things.

1.) Liability: If a non-college aged kid is training at the local RTC, then the school is liable for whatever happens to that kid. The worst example of this is Jerry Sandusky at Penn St. and the massive $$ the university has had to payout. But even an injury is a major problem for a university. Let's say a kid seriously hurts himself sparring. Does the university pickup the medical bills? Does the individual programs? 

2.) Ethical Soup: This relates to Point #1, but is broader. Right now, RTCs are operating in no-man's land and the NCAA is too incompetent to make a firm ruling on how they should operate. Most college wrestling programs try to keep their heads down and minimize any issues for the SID and compliance department. There is a lot of gray on how RTCs are operating and whether they are violating NCAA rules around coaches making contact with recruits, etc. 

Right now in college wrestling, we have NLWC and a bunch of RTCs funding 1 senior athlete or two. The NLWC has essentially replaced the OTC and everyone else is playing minor-league ball.

 

Guy talking about liability!  Remember he was gleefully posting that the Olympics were going to be cancelled just the week before they started?

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1 hour ago, MizzouGrad said:

https://www.hawkeyewrestlingclub.com/about/

Hey when's the last time Telford, Burak, Sorenson, or Moody competed at a tournament? 

Moody pretty recently, but once again grasping for straws because you made an easily disprovable claim and proved yourself to be, once again, one of the most classless idiots on this site. The fact that other Mizzou fans feel the need to begin their posts asking not to be associated with you should tell you something.

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50 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Moody pretty recently, but once again grasping for straws because you made an easily disprovable claim and proved yourself to be, once again, one of the most classless idiots on this site. The fact that other Mizzou fans feel the need to begin their posts asking not to be associated with you should tell you something.

Go back and read about the dialectic. 

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