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11 hours ago, MizzouGrad said:

 

1.) Liability: If a non-college aged kid is training at the local RTC, then the school is liable for whatever happens to that kid. The worst example of this is Jerry Sandusky at Penn St. and the massive $$ the university has had to payout. But even an injury is a major problem for a university. Let's say a kid seriously hurts himself sparring. Does the university pickup the medical bills? Does the individual programs? 

 

 

What a dip.

To practice at an RTC you have to have a USAW card which comes with insurance.

To have an RTC club you have to have a USAW card which comes with insurance.

working in the private sector has turned your brain to mush. 

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14 hours ago, MizzouGrad said:

Most college wrestling programs try to keep their heads down and minimize any issues for the SID and compliance department. There is a lot of gray on how RTCs are operating and whether they are violating NCAA rules around coaches making contact with recruits, etc. 

 

That would explain the press releases put out by each of the Ivy League programs (Columbia, Harvard, Brown, Princeton) touting their new associations with an RTC, huh?

https://gocolumbialions.com/news/2017/6/26/211634980.aspx

https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2019/December/16/Eierman-to-New-England-RTC

https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2016/October/10/Princeton-and-Rutgers-combine-to-create-New-Jersey-RTC

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One thing about Eirman is that if you watch him for 5 or 10 minutes on or off the mat you can tell that fanfare is important to him.  He caters to the crowd.  I am sure there was some underlying push for him to be in front of that passionate fanbase.

Sadly though he entered at a time when the program has sold its soul by hanging all of the success and attention on 1 wrestler.  Unfortunately for Jaydin his nickname should be "Robin" instead of "the Riddler"

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43 minutes ago, Class said:

One thing about Eirman is that if you watch him for 5 or 10 minutes on or off the mat you can tell that fanfare is important to him.  He caters to the crowd.  I am sure there was some underlying push for him to be in front of that passionate fanbase.

Sadly though he entered at a time when the program has sold its soul by hanging all of the success and attention on 1 wrestler.  Unfortunately for Jaydin his nickname should be "Robin" instead of "the Riddler"

Classic Iowa hate spin.  Iowa has sold its soul by hanging all of its success on 1 wrestler?  Kemerer doesn't count?  He was the start of their big push into Young Guns.  Marinelli had a very compelling special on ESPN.  Brands has gone on record as saying he has been the heart and "soul" of the team for several years.  

125: Lee is a generational talent.  Anyone with a brain would be showcasing him.  Hell, you COULDN'T hide him if you tried.  Also, lets not act like Lee hasn't gone on record as saying HE WANTED to do everything HE COULD to put Iowa back on top and win multiple team championships.  He is NOT a mindless drone being puppeteered by the Brands.  Watch every special on him and you will see he has ALWAYS done things his way, including when his parents have pushed him in other directions.

133:  DeSanto-A unique personality, but his success and personality are a big part of Iowa' recent success.

141:  Eierman-Hate that he left Mizz all you want.  The guy wanted to be at Iowa.   When a 3x AA wants to leave a school to come to you,  ALL that does is add to Iowa's popularity.

149:  Murin- Round of 12ish type guy who was about that level of a recruit.  Actually does a ton of homemade videos that his fanbase loves.

157:  Young- Married into the Brands family so he may be a bigger part of the "SOUL" than the rest of the team!

165:  Marinelli-Guy wears his heart on his sleeve.  Wife works for the team. Has had some huge wins but just hasn't got it done at NCAA's.  Still, there is NO question who is the actual heart and soul of that team.

174:  Grandpa Kemerer-This guy was literally the start of Iowa's resurgence.  Brands driving all the way to his house right after he left from his recruiting visit tells you all you need to know.

184:  Baby Brands-May he "bite" and "scratch" every PSU opponent he wrestles for the remainder of his career!

197:  Warner-Noone on that team has taken more abuse and yet he is a 3x AA and just came off a 4th place finish losing to a bronze medalist in the 3rd place match.

285:  Cass-2xAA having taken 3rd with 2 generational talents above him.  Plus, the kid smiles ALL THE TIME.  Quite a bit of "soul" unsold!

That doesn't even account for a very strongly credited room guy contingent with guys like Costello being credited as much, or more, as many of the starters.

Hate them all you want, but they aren't going anywhere.  Keeping up with PSU will still be VERY hard, but that will be hard for EVERY OTHER DI team.  Iowa is just the ONLY other team with the commitment and resources to MAYBE sneak a few championships from them once in a while.(tOSU was well poised, but losing Rosselli seemed to start a chain reaction of events, losing Snyder, Kerkvliet decommitting, etc. that makes it hard for me to see them back to scoring 115+ any time soon).

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14 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

Moody pretty recently, but once again grasping for straws because you made an easily disprovable claim and proved yourself to be, once again, one of the most classless idiots on this site. The fact that other Mizzou fans feel the need to begin their posts asking not to be associated with you should tell you something.

I want to "LIKE" your comment, but there is a daily limit on this site and I have already used up all of mine for today on this topic! 

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20 hours ago, Class said:

By his own admission left Mizzou to get better at freestyle?!?!  Now at a program, HWC, that hardly fields a team at most prominent events.

At least spell the guy's name properly.  That would be "Class."

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39 minutes ago, MSU158 said:

Classic Iowa hate spin.  Iowa has sold its soul by hanging all of its success on 1 wrestler?  Kemerer doesn't count?  He was the start of their big push into Young Guns.  Marinelli had a very compelling special on ESPN.  Brands has gone on record as saying he has been the heart and "soul" of the team for several years.  

125: Lee is a generational talent.  Anyone with a brain would be showcasing him.  Hell, you COULDN'T hide him if you tried.  Also, lets not act like Lee hasn't gone on record as saying HE WANTED to do everything HE COULD to put Iowa back on top and win multiple team championships.  He is NOT a mindless drone being puppeteered by the Brands.  Watch every special on him and you will see he has ALWAYS done things his way, including when his parents have pushed him in other directions.

133:  DeSanto-A unique personality, but his success and personality are a big part of Iowa' recent success.

141:  Eierman-Hate that he left Mizz all you want.  The guy wanted to be at Iowa.   When a 3x AA wants to leave a school to come to you,  ALL that does is add to Iowa's popularity.

149:  Murin- Round of 12ish type guy who was about that level of a recruit.  Actually does a ton of homemade videos that his fanbase loves.

157:  Young- Married into the Brands family so he may be a bigger part of the "SOUL" than the rest of the team!

165:  Marinelli-Guy wears his heart on his sleeve.  Wife works for the team. Has had some huge wins but just hasn't got it done at NCAA's.  Still, there is NO question who is the actual heart and soul of that team.

174:  Grandpa Kemerer-This guy was literally the start of Iowa's resurgence.  Brands driving all the way to his house right after he left from his recruiting visit tells you all you need to know.

184:  Baby Brands-May he "bite" and "scratch" every PSU opponent he wrestles for the remainder of his career!

197:  Warner-Noone on that team has taken more abuse and yet he is a 3x AA and just came off a 4th place finish losing to a bronze medalist in the 3rd place match.

285:  Cass-2xAA having taken 3rd with 2 generational talents above him.  Plus, the kid smiles ALL THE TIME.  Quite a bit of "soul" unsold!

That doesn't even account for a very strongly credited room guy contingent with guys like Costello being credited as much, or more, as many of the starters.

Hate them all you want, but they aren't going anywhere.  Keeping up with PSU will still be VERY hard, but that will be hard for EVERY OTHER DI team.  Iowa is just the ONLY other team with the commitment and resources to MAYBE sneak a few championships from them once in a while.(tOSU was well poised, but losing Rosselli seemed to start a chain reaction of events, losing Snyder, Kerkvliet decommitting, etc. that makes it hard for me to see them back to scoring 115+ any time soon).

Well there is the pro-Iowa spin to counterbalance my hate.

Look, I think nothing sums it up better than Tom Brands when comparing Lee and Gilman.  TB very publicly said to to Cory Clark, in front of a group of reporters, that Gilman didn't wrestle him in the practice room because he didn't want to get whooped.  Fast forward to Spencer's 2nd year and his response to some noise that Lee didn't train in the normal Hawkeye grinding way and he said the rules were different for Spencer Lee, of course they were.  That may not be exact verbatim but very close.  While short term the talent in IC will cover these warts the long term implications of having a golden goose in the program are damning.  They also cover up a lot of problems with the roster that Lee's success and timely transfers have also smoothed over.

Desanto -- 3 full years in the program and doesn't get to be in the team photos because of behavior.  His wrestling has improved but it had to, he was a raw, relentless wrestler with unnatural pace and one move being an overhook to dump/firemans.  He was going to improve.  That said he just isn't as good as special wrestlers in Fix and RBY.

Eirman -- Robin has 2 bright spots in FS since the move.  A win over Knich in an exhibition and a US Open win where his toughest competition was Dom Demas.  Overall, his freestyle standing has declined since arriving in IC as he was caught (and perhaps passed by Lee), pounded by Evan Henderson and teched in seconds by McKenna.

Marinelli -- Would be great if careers were defined by Friday/Sunday doubleheaders with Indiana and Northwestern.  I guarantee he can do a 20 minute go in July, but then struggles when the competition peaks for March.  Has he developed?

Kemmerer -- His body language says one thing, "ouch".  His technique and ability to finish are special and unique, however this will be year 7.  If he stays at it much longer his rivalry versus that 19 year old from PSU will be similar to the classic one between the hammer and the nail.

Warner -- Have you ever witnessed someone who over 4 years has developed less physically, mentally and emotionally?  As a high school Sr. he was D1 all american caliber  with his physical tools.

Cass -- Good kid, good improvements.  Bright future with a bit of a ceiling because of his height (no pun intended).

The cupboard is a problem.  Patrick Kennedy is a beast but he could become a Marinelli, Stoll, Warner problem where over 4 years there is seemingly no development of the body.  These guys seem to grind in the room when the weight room would better serve them.  Over a 5 year career muscles don't grow, add definition nor lean out.  Kennedy may be the type that would rather wrestle live 60 minutes 365 days a year at the expense of physical muscle development.  Ayala is also a potential bright spot with his potential.  Outside of those 2 things look quite light.

This program paid a huge price for that NCAA title.  The first and biggest was Spencer's health, the second was the cost to culture by becoming indebted to Spencer's sacrifice.  These things are subtle but significant.

Spencer was more than willing however he learned a tough lesson of adulthood and that is the world doesn't operate in "what have you done for me lately" but rather "what will you do for me next".  As the final session closed on Saturday in March the payout and reward was marred by a clear statement evening by PSU as they stole the show, the wrestling world then very quickly pivoted their attention to the Olympics which both stole the shine from Iowa and highlighted another price they paid, an embarrassing omission from the Olympic Trials.

The program and Spencer now have a pressure they didn't anticipate as the problems will be huge if any of the following happen:

--Spencer does not win the title this upcoming year.

--They do not with the team title.

--Spencer's freestyle career is compromised.

Any of these happening will damage the program and its reputation for the foreseeable future.

 

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8 minutes ago, Class said:

Well there is the pro-Iowa spin to counterbalance my hate.

Look, I think nothing sums it up better than Tom Brands when comparing Lee and Gilman.  TB very publicly said to to Cory Clark, in front of a group of reporters, that Gilman didn't wrestle him in the practice room because he didn't want to get whooped.  Fast forward to Spencer's 2nd year and his response to some noise that Lee didn't train in the normal Hawkeye grinding way and he said the rules were different for Spencer Lee, of course they were.  That may not be exact verbatim but very close.  While short term the talent in IC will cover these warts the long term implications of having a golden goose in the program are damning.  They also cover up a lot of problems with the roster that Lee's success and timely transfers have also smoothed over.

Desanto -- 3 full years in the program and doesn't get to be in the team photos because of behavior.  His wrestling has improved but it had to, he was a raw, relentless wrestler with unnatural pace and one move being an overhook to dump/firemans.  He was going to improve.  That said he just isn't as good as special wrestlers in Fix and RBY.

Eirman -- Robin has 2 bright spots in FS since the move.  A win over Knich in an exhibition and a US Open win where his toughest competition was Dom Demas.  Overall, his freestyle standing has declined since arriving in IC as he was caught (and perhaps passed by Lee), pounded by Evan Henderson and teched in seconds by McKenna.

Marinelli -- Would be great if careers were defined by Friday/Sunday doubleheaders with Indiana and Northwestern.  I guarantee he can do a 20 minute go in July, but then struggles when the competition peaks for March.  Has he developed?

Kemmerer -- His body language says one thing, "ouch".  His technique and ability to finish are special and unique, however this will be year 7.  If he stays at it much longer his rivalry versus that 19 year old from PSU will be similar to the classic one between the hammer and the nail.

Warner -- Have you ever witnessed someone who over 4 years has developed less physically, mentally and emotionally?  As a high school Sr. he was D1 all american caliber  with his physical tools.

Cass -- Good kid, good improvements.  Bright future with a bit of a ceiling because of his height (no pun intended).

The cupboard is a problem.  Patrick Kennedy is a beast but he could become a Marinelli, Stoll, Warner problem where over 4 years there is seemingly no development of the body.  These guys seem to grind in the room when the weight room would better serve them.  Over a 5 year career muscles don't grow, add definition nor lean out.  Kennedy may be the type that would rather wrestle live 60 minutes 365 days a year at the expense of physical muscle development.  Ayala is also a potential bright spot with his potential.  Outside of those 2 things look quite light.

This program paid a huge price for that NCAA title.  The first and biggest was Spencer's health, the second was the cost to culture by becoming indebted to Spencer's sacrifice.  These things are subtle but significant.

Spencer was more than willing however he learned a tough lesson of adulthood and that is the world doesn't operate in "what have you done for me lately" but rather "what will you do for me next".  As the final session closed on Saturday in March the payout and reward was marred by a clear statement evening by PSU as they stole the show, the wrestling world then very quickly pivoted their attention to the Olympics which both stole the shine from Iowa and highlighted another price they paid, an embarrassing omission from the Olympic Trials.

The program and Spencer now have a pressure they didn't anticipate as the problems will be huge if any of the following happen:

--Spencer does not win the title this upcoming year.

--They do not with the team title.

--Spencer's freestyle career is compromised.

Any of these happening will damage the program and its reputation for the foreseeable future.

 

Wow, that team sounds awful. I can only assume they finished pretty far off the podium at NCAAs.

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1 hour ago, Class said:

Well there is the pro-Iowa spin to counterbalance my hate.

Look, I think nothing sums it up better than Tom Brands when comparing Lee and Gilman.  TB very publicly said to to Cory Clark, in front of a group of reporters, that Gilman didn't wrestle him in the practice room because he didn't want to get whooped.  Fast forward to Spencer's 2nd year and his response to some noise that Lee didn't train in the normal Hawkeye grinding way and he said the rules were different for Spencer Lee, of course they were.  That may not be exact verbatim but very close.  While short term the talent in IC will cover these warts the long term implications of having a golden goose in the program are damning.  They also cover up a lot of problems with the roster that Lee's success and timely transfers have also smoothed over.

Desanto -- 3 full years in the program and doesn't get to be in the team photos because of behavior.  His wrestling has improved but it had to, he was a raw, relentless wrestler with unnatural pace and one move being an overhook to dump/firemans.  He was going to improve.  That said he just isn't as good as special wrestlers in Fix and RBY.

Eirman -- Robin has 2 bright spots in FS since the move.  A win over Knich in an exhibition and a US Open win where his toughest competition was Dom Demas.  Overall, his freestyle standing has declined since arriving in IC as he was caught (and perhaps passed by Lee), pounded by Evan Henderson and teched in seconds by McKenna.

Marinelli -- Would be great if careers were defined by Friday/Sunday doubleheaders with Indiana and Northwestern.  I guarantee he can do a 20 minute go in July, but then struggles when the competition peaks for March.  Has he developed?

Kemmerer -- His body language says one thing, "ouch".  His technique and ability to finish are special and unique, however this will be year 7.  If he stays at it much longer his rivalry versus that 19 year old from PSU will be similar to the classic one between the hammer and the nail.

Warner -- Have you ever witnessed someone who over 4 years has developed less physically, mentally and emotionally?  As a high school Sr. he was D1 all american caliber  with his physical tools.

Cass -- Good kid, good improvements.  Bright future with a bit of a ceiling because of his height (no pun intended).

The cupboard is a problem.  Patrick Kennedy is a beast but he could become a Marinelli, Stoll, Warner problem where over 4 years there is seemingly no development of the body.  These guys seem to grind in the room when the weight room would better serve them.  Over a 5 year career muscles don't grow, add definition nor lean out.  Kennedy may be the type that would rather wrestle live 60 minutes 365 days a year at the expense of physical muscle development.  Ayala is also a potential bright spot with his potential.  Outside of those 2 things look quite light.

This program paid a huge price for that NCAA title.  The first and biggest was Spencer's health, the second was the cost to culture by becoming indebted to Spencer's sacrifice.  These things are subtle but significant.

Spencer was more than willing however he learned a tough lesson of adulthood and that is the world doesn't operate in "what have you done for me lately" but rather "what will you do for me next".  As the final session closed on Saturday in March the payout and reward was marred by a clear statement evening by PSU as they stole the show, the wrestling world then very quickly pivoted their attention to the Olympics which both stole the shine from Iowa and highlighted another price they paid, an embarrassing omission from the Olympic Trials.

The program and Spencer now have a pressure they didn't anticipate as the problems will be huge if any of the following happen:

--Spencer does not win the title this upcoming year.

--They do not with the team title.

--Spencer's freestyle career is compromised.

Any of these happening will damage the program and its reputation for the foreseeable future.

 

Pretty sure I didn't have to spin A N Y T H I N G.  The team I listed just won the NCAA Title and had 7 AA's.  They finished 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th and 7th.  A LOT more than hinging success on just 1 guy.

As far as the future goes it is still WAY brighter than you can possibly darken it.  Even with losing Lee, DeSanto, Eierman, Young, Marinelli and Kemerer they still have the makings of a top 4 team.

125:  Ayala-Kid is a monster.  He isn't likely to fill Lee's shoes, but noone would be.  Still he definitely has the look of a 4xAA and likely Finalist.

133: Schriever-If his health keeps progressing and he can maintain it, this kid is a major sleeper.

141: Henson-Another with a very high ceiling

149: Murin-Finally finds the podium?

157: Reyna-Would think he is the most likely and probably their closest thing to a hole

165: Can Kennedy get down here?  If not 165 is possibly another hole.  Would be a shame to logjam him, Brands, Assad, Wilson and Glazier with only 2 of them likely to start unless one gets down to 165

174:  I like Brands here if Kennedy can make 165.

184:  Assad-see 165 and 174

197: Warner- There is a good chance this becomes his weight class if Ferrari moves to 285.  Amine moving back down to 184 makes a lot of sense for that lineup(if he comes back) since Brucki is there.

285: Cass-With Steveson gone his only real obstacle is Parris.  I know many expect a big jump from Kerkvliet, but his mat wrestling will have to DRASTICALLY improve for that to happen.  Cass rode him like a broken mule.

 

Most teams would be in a MASSIVE REBUILD after losing that much firepower.  Admittedly, that team will be hard pressed to keep up with PSU, but every other team has the same problem.  It's just that every other team is chasing PSU with 2 paddles in a rowboat and Iowa is the only team left with a motorboat.

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16 hours ago, FriendlyCamper said:

Mike Eierman thought he was a better coach than Brian Smith. That's the real story. 

Well Mike has had his own program for a few seasons now, but I don't think he has got a kid on the podium. Granted he is at a D3 school with ZERO facilities, as they are training at Mike's place. Although there are several non-D1 schools with less than desirable facilities and several that are not within 10 minutes of campus.  

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4 hours ago, MSU158 said:

Pretty sure I didn't have to spin A N Y T H I N G.  The team I listed just won the NCAA Title and had 7 AA's.  They finished 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th and 7th.  A LOT more than hinging success on just 1 guy.

As far as the future goes it is still WAY brighter than you can possibly darken it.  Even with losing Lee, DeSanto, Eierman, Young, Marinelli and Kemerer they still have the makings of a top 4 team.

125:  Ayala-Kid is a monster.  He isn't likely to fill Lee's shoes, but noone would be.  Still he definitely has the look of a 4xAA and likely Finalist.

133: Schriever-If his health keeps progressing and he can maintain it, this kid is a major sleeper.

141: Henson-Another with a very high ceiling

149: Murin-Finally finds the podium?

157: Reyna-Would think he is the most likely and probably their closest thing to a hole

165: Can Kennedy get down here?  If not 165 is possibly another hole.  Would be a shame to logjam him, Brands, Assad, Wilson and Glazier with only 2 of them likely to start unless one gets down to 165

174:  I like Brands here if Kennedy can make 165.

184:  Assad-see 165 and 174

197: Warner- There is a good chance this becomes his weight class if Ferrari moves to 285.  Amine moving back down to 184 makes a lot of sense for that lineup(if he comes back) since Brucki is there.

285: Cass-With Steveson gone his only real obstacle is Parris.  I know many expect a big jump from Kerkvliet, but his mat wrestling will have to DRASTICALLY improve for that to happen.  Cass rode him like a broken mule.

 

Most teams would be in a MASSIVE REBUILD after losing that much firepower.  Admittedly, that team will be hard pressed to keep up with PSU, but every other team has the same problem.  It's just that every other team is chasing PSU with 2 paddles in a rowboat and Iowa is the only team left with a motorboat.

125- Ayala is going to be an absolute joy to watch

133- Schriever has beaten Ayala...They were teammates at Sebolt...Cullan is going to be a beast and would have been an Iowa 4 timer if it wasnt for the injuries.

 

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9 hours ago, Class said:

Well there is the pro-Iowa spin to counterbalance my hate.

Look, I think nothing sums it up better than Tom Brands when comparing Lee and Gilman.  TB very publicly said to to Cory Clark, in front of a group of reporters, that Gilman didn't wrestle him in the practice room because he didn't want to get whooped.  Fast forward to Spencer's 2nd year and his response to some noise that Lee didn't train in the normal Hawkeye grinding way and he said the rules were different for Spencer Lee, of course they were.  That may not be exact verbatim but very close.  While short term the talent in IC will cover these warts the long term implications of having a golden goose in the program are damning.  They also cover up a lot of problems with the roster that Lee's success and timely transfers have also smoothed over.

Desanto -- 3 full years in the program and doesn't get to be in the team photos because of behavior.  His wrestling has improved but it had to, he was a raw, relentless wrestler with unnatural pace and one move being an overhook to dump/firemans.  He was going to improve.  That said he just isn't as good as special wrestlers in Fix and RBY.

Eirman -- Robin has 2 bright spots in FS since the move.  A win over Knich in an exhibition and a US Open win where his toughest competition was Dom Demas.  Overall, his freestyle standing has declined since arriving in IC as he was caught (and perhaps passed by Lee), pounded by Evan Henderson and teched in seconds by McKenna.

Marinelli -- Would be great if careers were defined by Friday/Sunday doubleheaders with Indiana and Northwestern.  I guarantee he can do a 20 minute go in July, but then struggles when the competition peaks for March.  Has he developed?

Kemmerer -- His body language says one thing, "ouch".  His technique and ability to finish are special and unique, however this will be year 7.  If he stays at it much longer his rivalry versus that 19 year old from PSU will be similar to the classic one between the hammer and the nail.

Warner -- Have you ever witnessed someone who over 4 years has developed less physically, mentally and emotionally?  As a high school Sr. he was D1 all american caliber  with his physical tools.

Cass -- Good kid, good improvements.  Bright future with a bit of a ceiling because of his height (no pun intended).

The cupboard is a problem.  Patrick Kennedy is a beast but he could become a Marinelli, Stoll, Warner problem where over 4 years there is seemingly no development of the body.  These guys seem to grind in the room when the weight room would better serve them.  Over a 5 year career muscles don't grow, add definition nor lean out.  Kennedy may be the type that would rather wrestle live 60 minutes 365 days a year at the expense of physical muscle development.  Ayala is also a potential bright spot with his potential.  Outside of those 2 things look quite light.

This program paid a huge price for that NCAA title.  The first and biggest was Spencer's health, the second was the cost to culture by becoming indebted to Spencer's sacrifice.  These things are subtle but significant.

Spencer was more than willing however he learned a tough lesson of adulthood and that is the world doesn't operate in "what have you done for me lately" but rather "what will you do for me next".  As the final session closed on Saturday in March the payout and reward was marred by a clear statement evening by PSU as they stole the show, the wrestling world then very quickly pivoted their attention to the Olympics which both stole the shine from Iowa and highlighted another price they paid, an embarrassing omission from the Olympic Trials.

The program and Spencer now have a pressure they didn't anticipate as the problems will be huge if any of the following happen:

--Spencer does not win the title this upcoming year.

--They do not with the team title.

--Spencer's freestyle career is compromised.

Any of these happening will damage the program and its reputation for the foreseeable future.

 

You start a thread on the guy and still can't spell his name.  Your first step to credibility is proper spelling.

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The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. This is what happened with Jaydin. He basically blamed Mizzou for him failing to develop to his expectations and he feels he can get better coaching, training partners, and a functional RTC at Iowa (even as a Mizzou fan I can admit that most folks would agree this is true, although Mizzou has done an excellent job developing guys under Smith). Time will tell if it pays off for him.

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