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4 hours ago, drag it said:

You just are learning how to read and process information, right?  What he did before college is totally irrelevant to my point.  

Did he compete well as a freshman?  No, and although it was a waste of your valuable time that could have been better spent telling people on message boards what losers they are, it was the opposite of a waste for him, specifically: 

Did you, from your omniscient perch, happen to notice the change in Steveson's physique and approach to wrestling for 6 or 7 complete minutes (none of which was present when he was outclassing kids for his age group medals, though congrats for your encyclopedic knowledge and regurgitation of irrelevant facts), which came after after he lost twice as a freshman to a guy with zero credentials comparable to his, but a grown man laborer's work ethic and a not-too-cool-for-school attitude -- in front of a combined 30,000 paying customers who somehow managed not to fall asleep during these stall fests?  

If he hadn't been exposed by Cassar as a freshman in two complete third period collapses (and the way he was gasping for air after those stall fests, I guess they would have needed paramedics for him after a real wrestling match), he never would have tightened up his body and game, gone all in, and unleashed all of his skill at the senior level after that.   

It’s best not to engage with that clown, He’ll argue even the most logical points. 

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He had offers to do other things

Is this actually true? He admitted he never talked to Dana White ("He has my number") and the NFL stuff was no more concrete than rumblings that a team or two might want to talk to him (and he does not have an NFL body). What else is there?

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20 minutes ago, IronChef said:


Is this actually true? He admitted he never talked to Dana White ("He has my number") and the NFL stuff was no more concrete than rumblings that a team or two might want to talk to him (and he does not have an NFL body). What else is there?

He did attend a Bellator event.

Be careful saying Gable may not be suited for the NFL!  I said that about Coon and was almost burned at the stake!

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12 hours ago, Billyhoyle said:

Why has it been so successful?  Because the best guys have stuck around in the sport for the past two cycles. If JB had left after 12 and Snyder after 16, things would not be the same.  Varner coming back for 15/16 probably even helped Snyder's development (just like JB sticking around helped Dake and Taylor).  

You literally answered your own question by your response...we HAVE been successful.  And just because ONE of our super stars hangs it up after his first gold, it doesn't mean we aren't doing something right.

Gable is NOT wasting his talent!  The WWE is NOT a bad career choice for him!  USA wrestling IS successful!

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7 hours ago, drag it said:

You just are learning how to read and process information, right?  What he did before college is totally irrelevant to my point.  

Did he compete well as a freshman?  No, and although it was a waste of your valuable time that could have been better spent telling people on message boards what losers they are, it was the opposite of a waste for him, specifically: 

Did you, from your omniscient perch, happen to notice the change in Steveson's physique and approach to wrestling for 6 or 7 complete minutes (none of which was present when he was outclassing kids for his age group medals, though congrats for your encyclopedic knowledge and regurgitation of irrelevant facts), which came after after he lost twice as a freshman to a guy with zero credentials comparable to his, but a grown man laborer's work ethic and a not-too-cool-for-school attitude -- in front of a combined 30,000 paying customers who somehow managed not to fall asleep during these stall fests?  

If he hadn't been exposed by Cassar as a freshman in two complete third period collapses (and the way he was gasping for air after those stall fests, I guess they would have needed paramedics for him after a real wrestling match), he never would have tightened up his body and game, gone all in, and unleashed all of his skill at the senior level after that.   

he finished 3rd at NCAAs as a true freshmen...

you are right...

he was a total bust up till just this past year...

you are killing this game...

**GOLD STAR**

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14 hours ago, LJB said:

wrestling has always been a means to an end in this country...

This is the thread in a nutshell.

Some think wrestling's only value is to get some scholly dollars for a college degree.  Or maybe you're *real* lucky and you can get a world team stipend or sponsorship deals, or even the ultimate "promotion" -- a gig in the WWE!  Other than that, its just a senseless way of battering your body.  

Other people think wrestling is a beautiful sport and an end in its own right.  It is the ultimate one on one competition, a combat sport with technical grace, stunning to watch, exhilarating highs when you win, no one to blame but yourself when you lose, requires peak conditioning and strength, and builds a mental toughness that, as Dan Gable once said, makes the rest of life easy by comparison.

For those who see wrestling as little more than a job (and an unpleasant one at that), like LJB and the rest of the anti-wrestling crowd on this thread, I can see why Steveson's decision makes sense -- for who in their right mind would wrestle for its own sake?  Its just a path to a dollar, nothing more, so anything that pays more is, by definition, better.

For those of us who think wrestling is its own end and doesn't need monetary compensation to be worthwhile, except as is needed to live a stable life so you can continue to do what you love, Steveson's decision is gutting.  We are losing one of our best.

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1 hour ago, BAC said:

This is the thread in a nutshell.

Some think wrestling's only value is to get some scholly dollars for a college degree.  Or maybe you're *real* lucky and you can get a world team stipend or sponsorship deals, or even the ultimate "promotion" -- a gig in the WWE!  Other than that, its just a senseless way of battering your body.  

Other people think wrestling is a beautiful sport and an end in its own right.  It is the ultimate one on one competition, a combat sport with technical grace, stunning to watch, exhilarating highs when you win, no one to blame but yourself when you lose, requires peak conditioning and strength, and builds a mental toughness that, as Dan Gable once said, makes the rest of life easy by comparison.

For those who see wrestling as little more than a job (and an unpleasant one at that), like LJB and the rest of the anti-wrestling crowd on this thread, I can see why Steveson's decision makes sense -- for who in their right mind would wrestle for its own sake?  Its just a path to a dollar, nothing more, so anything that pays more is, by definition, better.

For those of us who think wrestling is its own end and doesn't need monetary compensation to be worthwhile, except as is needed to live a stable life so you can continue to do what you love, Steveson's decision is gutting.  We are losing one of our best.

Well put. But there is something else beyond the loss to wresting and USA Wrestling.

WWE, no matter how lucrative, is a negative activity in its own right. It honors violence, loudness, cheating, fraud, bad sportsmanship and growth through steroids. I am not saying that Gable should not have the right to earn a living in any way that's legal. But there are dishonorable ways to make money and WWE is one of them. And, yes, this is a subjective view. 

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On 9/7/2021 at 4:42 PM, scribe said:

It’s something to see fans on amateur wrestling forums defending the loss of talent. No other sport I look at has this attrition of the best. And certainly none others dense enough to defend it. 

Curious, which other sports do you follow? Amateur basketball players can make millions in the NBA, amateur baseball players can make millions in the MLB, amateur football players can make millions in the NFL, amateur hockey, amateur soccer…. No need to go on. What professional circuit can amateur wrestlers go on to make anywhere near the money that WWE can offer? If the dude wants to capitalize on his own brand to make money because that’s what he cares about then good for him. Sitting here virtue signaling from the standpoint of a fan is hilarious. 

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2 hours ago, BAC said:

This is the thread in a nutshell.

Some think wrestling's only value is to get some scholly dollars for a college degree.  Or maybe you're *real* lucky and you can get a world team stipend or sponsorship deals, or even the ultimate "promotion" -- a gig in the WWE!  Other than that, its just a senseless way of battering your body.  

Other people think wrestling is a beautiful sport and an end in its own right.  It is the ultimate one on one competition, a combat sport with technical grace, stunning to watch, exhilarating highs when you win, no one to blame but yourself when you lose, requires peak conditioning and strength, and builds a mental toughness that, as Dan Gable once said, makes the rest of life easy by comparison.

For those who see wrestling as little more than a job (and an unpleasant one at that), like LJB and the rest of the anti-wrestling crowd on this thread, I can see why Steveson's decision makes sense -- for who in their right mind would wrestle for its own sake?  Its just a path to a dollar, nothing more, so anything that pays more is, by definition, better.

For those of us who think wrestling is its own end and doesn't need monetary compensation to be worthwhile, except as is needed to live a stable life so you can continue to do what you love, Steveson's decision is gutting.  We are losing one of our best.

Can't it be absolutely gutting AND make sense to accept & support Steveson moving on if his desire isn't with wrestling? Because that's where I am on the spectrum.

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2 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Can't it be absolutely gutting AND make sense to accept & support Steveson moving on if his desire isn't with wrestling? Because that's where I am on the spectrum.

I don't think you're allowed to, no.  Probably not.

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2 hours ago, BAC said:

This is the thread in a nutshell.

Some think wrestling's only value is to get some scholly dollars for a college degree.  Or maybe you're *real* lucky and you can get a world team stipend or sponsorship deals, or even the ultimate "promotion" -- a gig in the WWE!  Other than that, its just a senseless way of battering your body.  

Other people think wrestling is a beautiful sport and an end in its own right.  It is the ultimate one on one competition, a combat sport with technical grace, stunning to watch, exhilarating highs when you win, no one to blame but yourself when you lose, requires peak conditioning and strength, and builds a mental toughness that, as Dan Gable once said, makes the rest of life easy by comparison.

For those who see wrestling as little more than a job (and an unpleasant one at that), like LJB and the rest of the anti-wrestling crowd on this thread, I can see why Steveson's decision makes sense -- for who in their right mind would wrestle for its own sake?  Its just a path to a dollar, nothing more, so anything that pays more is, by definition, better.

For those of us who think wrestling is its own end and doesn't need monetary compensation to be worthwhile, except as is needed to live a stable life so you can continue to do what you love, Steveson's decision is gutting.  We are losing one of our best.

If another mans personal decision on how to live his life and what he wants to pursue (legally of course) affects you this much, it may be time to examine if you’re happy with your own life. Obviously it’s never fun to see a guy as good as Gable walk away from the sport. Maybe you didn’t accomplish everything you hoped for in your own wrestling career and now you live vicariously through other athletes? Your post is really bizarre and a way too emotional over analysis. 

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25 minutes ago, goheels1812 said:

Curious, which other sports do you follow? Amateur basketball players can make millions in the NBA, amateur baseball players can make millions in the MLB, amateur football players can make millions in the NFL, amateur hockey, amateur soccer…. No need to go on. What professional circuit can amateur wrestlers go on to make anywhere near the money that WWE can offer? If the dude wants to capitalize on his own brand to make money because that’s what he cares about then good for him. Sitting here virtue signaling from the standpoint of a fan is hilarious. 

Why is it hilarious? If the top ballerina in the NYC Ballet were to announce that she is quitting dance and becoming a high-priced escort in Las Vegas (which pays more) would you expect ballet fans to say "If that's what she wants, good for her"?  Of course not. They would lament the decision even if it's legal and there is nothing they can do about it and they are not personally impacted. Being a fan means having an interest in how the stars of your sport behave and perform. If Kyle Dake were to break his leg (God forbid) and his fans or wrestling fans got upset, no one would say, that's hilarious, Dake's well-being has nothing to do with you.

I am not saying the WWE and prostitution is the same, but both are tragic.

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1 minute ago, NJDan said:

Why is it hilarious. If the top ballerina in the NYC Ballet were to announce that she is quitting dance and becoming a high-priced escort in Las Vegas (which pays more) would you expect ballet fans to say "If that's what she wants, good for her"?  Of course not. They would lament the decision even if it's legal and there is nothing they can do about it. I am not saying the WWE and prostitution is the same, but both are tragic.

The mental gymnastics here are astounding. Which is pretty par for the course for your posts so I’m not surprised. I’m not a part of the ballet community so I won’t speak for them. But I’d tell them the same thing I’ll say here. After 5 minutes of naturally being disappointed, Who. The. Hell. Cares? It’s Gable’s life to live as he sees fit. What if he stuck with wrestling and in one year he blew out every ligament in his knee and then never came back the same? Is it going to be your satisfaction that he kept wrestling that pays the bills for the rest of his life? 

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6 minutes ago, NJDan said:

I am not saying the WWE and prostitution is the same, but both are tragic.

hyperbole???

melodramatic???

overemotional???

13 year old school girl sensationalism????

i am trying to find what describes this drivel the best and i am not quite sure i can...

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2 minutes ago, goheels1812 said:

The mental gymnastics here are astounding. Which is pretty par for the course for your posts so I’m not surprised. I’m not a part of the ballet community so I won’t speak for them. But I’d tell them the same thing I’ll say here. After 5 minutes of naturally being disappointed, Who. The. Hell. Cares? It’s Gable’s life to live as he sees fit. What if he stuck with wrestling and in one year he blew out every ligament in his knee and then never came back the same? Is it going to be your satisfaction that he kept wrestling that pays the bills for the rest of his life? 

If you are telling the truth about yourself--- and I assume you are not--- you are an oddball, not the norm. Ballet fans would be upset for more than five minutes. Same for wrestling fans. NO ONE is denying Gable his choice. They are just saying it's an unfortunate choice for the sport or even for him. (Not everyone is correct about his on choices.) And sorry if you can't follow my gymnastics. I guess you don't know much about that either.

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49 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Can't it be absolutely gutting AND make sense to accept & support Steveson moving on if his desire isn't with wrestling? Because that's where I am on the spectrum.

Sure.  The decision is already made, so sure, we have to accept it.  And if the WWE is truly his dream (i.e. its what he'd want to do even if he weren't getting paid), who am I to tell someone not to follow their dream.  So if that's really the case, I'm with you, even if I wish his heart remained with wrestling.  But if it is more a matter of chasing the dollar -- which I think is more likely the case, given his simultaneous consideration of WWE, NFL and MMA, auctioning his life to the highest bidder -- I consider it a sell-out and a tragic waste of talent, and don't support it.  That's where I part ways with many of the posters here, like goheels, lurker, tripnsweep, and that guy who posts in bad haikus, who are cheerleading for Gable to take the WWE gig for the money alone, no matter where his heart lies, simply because the money's better.  That reduces wrestling to a job and nothing more, and that's just pathetic.   

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2 minutes ago, NJDan said:

If you are telling the truth about yourself--- and I assume you are not--- you are an oddball, not the norm. Ballet fans would be upset for more than five minutes. Same for wrestling fans. NO ONE is denying Gable his choice. They are just saying it's an unfortunate choice for the sport or even for him. (Not everyone is correct about his on choices.) And sorry if you can't follow my gymnastics. I guess you don't know much about that either.

Yeah, I figured you’d ignore my question because you can’t answer it. Enjoy your fake virtue signaling about Gable’s life choices. Maybe one day people will care enough about you to post on a message board criticizing your life decisions! 

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10 minutes ago, goheels1812 said:

The mental gymnastics here are astounding. Which is pretty par for the course for your posts so I’m not surprised. I’m not a part of the ballet community so I won’t speak for them. But I’d tell them the same thing I’ll say here. After 5 minutes of naturally being disappointed, Who. The. Hell. Cares? It’s Gable’s life to live as he sees fit. What if he stuck with wrestling and in one year he blew out every ligament in his knee and then never came back the same? Is it going to be your satisfaction that he kept wrestling that pays the bills for the rest of his life? 

I am about right there with your thinking.

Personally I would have preferred he honored his commitment to Minnesota, as a fan of Collegiate Wrestling.

As a person and a fan of his, I will root for him no matter his path.

I say the same sort of thing for PD3.  I want him to succeed at MMA.  Once the dust settles I am a fan of wrestlers even when they are no longer wrestling.  I do wish he wasn't such a dipstick on the social medias... Alas c'est la vie.

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16 minutes ago, goheels1812 said:

If another mans personal decision on how to live his life and what he wants to pursue (legally of course) affects you this much, it may be time to examine if you’re happy with your own life. Obviously it’s never fun to see a guy as good as Gable walk away from the sport. Maybe you didn’t accomplish everything you hoped for in your own wrestling career and now you live vicariously through other athletes? Your post is really bizarre and a way too emotional over analysis. 

Too ... emotional?  LOL.  Ok, pal.

It doesn't affect me at all, it just sucks for wrestling to lose one of its best for other pursuits when they haven't even reached their peak, especially when its based solely on monetary considerations.  What does annoy me is seeing so many supposed wrestling fans actually claiming that the WWE is a better choice than wrestling, straight up.  If that's the case, isn't there a WWE forum you can go to instead?

Hope you win your match tonight with the pillow cushions on your sofa with that nasty suplex of yours.

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