Anticipate Lineups for 21-22

[nhs67 1,967]

16 minutes ago, go_rines12 said:

125- Taylor Lamont AA

133- Ty Smith Qualifier

141- Stockton O'brian nq

149- Cameron Hunsaker nq

157-  Danny Snediker nq

165- Kekana Fouret nq

174- Demetrius Romero AA

184- Hunter Cruz nq

197- Evan Bockman nq

285- Chase Trussell nq

Need to find it, but Romero had said in an interview he intended to go 165 this year.  He went 174 because of it being a 'FREE' year and the uncertainty leading into the season if the NCAAs would be contested or not(again).

[lu1979 558]

2 hours ago, Antitroll2828 said:

Weight may be stacked but I think Fernandes becomes Cornell’s first AA at heavyweight ever , guy has a lot of potential and this being his “3rd” year at Cornell I think he ll be ready to roll 

He does look promising - the only guys I included who haven't competed in a regular college season were him and Matt Cover from Princeton.  I only included Cover because he beat Fernandes badly on their feet in a FS match.  Between those two J. Wood and the Harvard kid I am hoping the EIWA can get an AA or 2 at that weight.  

[Idaho 1,322]

29 minutes ago, go_rines12 said:

125- Taylor Lamont AA

133- Ty Smith Qualifier

141- Stockton O'brian nq

149- Cameron Hunsaker nq

157-  Danny Snediker nq

165- Kekana Fouret nq

174- Demetrius Romero AA

184- Hunter Cruz nq

197- Evan Bockman nq

285- Chase Trussell nq

I think Drury could be a factor at 133 or 141. 

[lu1979 558]

No one has projected ASU's lineup yet - they will be very strong this year - I have them at 4th in the preseason.

125 - Courtney - AA 2nd

133 - McGee - AA 6th

141 - Chlebove or Vasquez

149 - Parco - AA 6th

157 - Teemer - AA 4th

165 - A Valencia - AA 8th

174 -& 184 - I am not sure who will end up in these weights with Munoz gone

197 - K Norfleet 

285 - C Schultz - AA 4th

That is a very good lineup especially for tournaments.  With 6 returning AAs plus Norfleet who was a 3 seed last year they will be up there.  Maybe someone can fill in the possibilities for 174, 184, and 141.

[Housebuye 2,417]

6 hours ago, lu1979 said:

Heavyweight is very deep this year - Starting the year the top 5 will be Gable, Parris, Cassioppi, Schultz & Kerkliviet - Davison will be one of many very high quality heavies that will be trying to get into the AA spots.  Other heavies who I would consider to be in the running for those AA spots include past AAs Hilger, Stencil, Wood & Orndorf plus Hendeickson, Laird, Elam, Wilson, Traxler/Catka, Slavakouski. Fernandez, Luffman, Cover, and Davison. 

Yeah I agree that it’s deep. I just think Davison is one of the guys who breaks through. I expect he will lose to a top 8 seed in the 2nd round of NCAAs or so, and then come back through and beat one of the guys you left ruined in R12 (I don’t like the Hilger or Laird matchups, but I think he beats the rest). 
 

also pumped about Hendrickson. He proved me wrong and now I’m a fan

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1 hour ago, lu1979 said:

No one has projected ASU's lineup yet - they will be very strong this year - I have them at 4th in the preseason.

125 - Courtney - AA 2nd

133 - McGee - AA 6th

141 - Chlebove or Vasquez

149 - Parco - AA 6th

157 - Teemer - AA 4th

165 - A Valencia - AA 8th

174 -& 184 - I am not sure who will end up in these weights with Munoz gone

197 - K Norfleet 

285 - C Schultz - AA 4th

That is a very good lineup especially for tournaments.  With 6 returning AAs plus Norfleet who was a 3 seed last year they will be up there.  Maybe someone can fill in the possibilities for 174, 184, and 141.

Possibly Fagan at 184. 

[nhs67 1,967]

Michigan State.  Oh Michigan State.  My favorite school growing up, and still my favorite despite my Alma Mater being UofM.  How do I anticipate their lineup to look, and what do I wish it was?  Here we go.

Here is what I wish it was:

125-Tristan Lujan
133-Rayvon Foley
141-Jaden Enriquez
149-Peyton Omania
157-Jacob Tucker
165-Chase Saldate
174-Layne Malczewski
184-Cameron Caffey
197-Ryan Vasbinder
285-Brad Wilton

In this scenario everyone is healthy.  So the Foley, Enriquez, and Wilton concerns are not really there.  I think Lujan at 125 is better than Hamden at 133.  I think Foley is comparable at either 125 or 133 as far as point potential, and more than both Lujan and Hamden, so Lujan in makes sense to me.

I was excited about the possibility of Enriquez down at 141, but he just hasn't put it together since going down.  In my 'preferred' or 'best case' scenario he is healthy and performing at what many of us (Sparty fans) thought he would be after his redshirt frosh season in which we saw him beat Yahya Thomas and Parker Filius, albeit up at 149.

Omania continues to improve at 149 and Tucker slots in to his naturally sized weight class of 157.  Saldate fills out a bit more to go 165.  Here is where it gets 'tough' as Malczewski and either Caffey or Vasbinder need to drop to 184.  Since Caffey has been there more recently, I went with him.  Don't scoff at Vasbinder possibly beating him out, either.  He won D2 last year and was on track to win it in 2020 prior to Covid claiming D2 as a casualty.  I just don't see either having success at 285, so one has to drop.  Slot in Wilton at 285 and this squad, providing health follows, is a good squad.  They may not have the high end invididual scorers, but will be in most duals.  For those forgetting, Wilton was right on the cusp of being a NQ his redshirt frosh season at 197 as well.

Well, as I said, this is BEST CASE or preffered.  What I think happens?

125-Rayvon Foley
133-Jordan Hamden
141-Matt Santos
149-Peyton Omania
157-Chase Saldate
165-Jacob Tucker
174-Caleb Fish
184-Layne Malczewski
197-Cam Caffey
285-Ryan Vasbinder

I think that lineup gets five, maybe six, national qualifiers in Foley, Saldate, Tucker, Malcewski, Caffey and possibly one other (pick it out of a hat).  I think if health holds true and the 'preffered' lineup is thrown out there we could see as many as 8-10 of them qualify.  They won't score a lot of points at NCAAs but they would be there.

EDIT: I forgot that Fish and Lujan both have redshirts available.  That means Nate Jiminez at 174 is what is likely.

Edited September 10, 2021 by nhs67

[agoff71 8]

No one has projected ASU's lineup yet - they will be very strong this year - I have them at 4th in the preseason.
125 - Courtney - AA 2nd
133 - McGee - AA 6th
141 - Chlebove or Vasquez
149 - Parco - AA 6th
157 - Teemer - AA 4th
165 - A Valencia - AA 8th
174 -& 184 - I am not sure who will end up in these weights with Munoz gone
197 - K Norfleet 
285 - C Schultz - AA 4th
That is a very good lineup especially for tournaments.  With 6 returning AAs plus Norfleet who was a 3 seed last year they will be up there.  Maybe someone can fill in the possibilities for 174, 184, and 141.

I think Vasquez at 141. C. Valencia at 174, Fagen at 184.

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[Bronco 231]

My GUESS for Stanford

125 - Jackson DiSario - Junior - 2X NCAA Q

133 - Jason Miranda - Sophomore - 5th at 2021 PAC 12 tournament as a True FR

141 - Real Woods - RS Sophomore - 2X NCAA Q

149 - Jaden Abas - RS Sophomore - 7th Place at 2021 NCAA tournament as a RS FR  OR Fabian Santillan - RS Sophomore

157 - Jaden Abas - RS Sophomore - 7th Place at 2021 NCAA tournament as a RS FR  OR Fabian Santillan - RS Sophomore

165 - Shane Griffith - RS Junior - 2021 NCAA champion at 165 lbs - 2X NCAA Q

174 - Tyler Eischens - RS Junior - 1X NCAA Q - 2nd at 2020 PAC 12 tournament at 157 lbs

184 - Judah Duhm - RS Senior - 2nd Place at 2019 PAC 12 tournament at 184 lbs (hasn't competed for 2 years) OR Nick Addison - RS Sophomore

197 - Nick Stemmet - Sophomore - 3rd Place at 2021 PAC 12 tournament as a True FR

285 - Peter Ming - RS Freshman - 5-1 last season at 285 lbs as a True FR

 

[poorwrestler 33]

My best guess at Minnesota lineup

125 McKee NCAA 3rd
133 Nagao True Freshman - Cali state champ grey shirt last year
141 Polanco NQ
149 Blockhus NQ - threat to AA imo
157 Lee NCAA 6th
165 Sparks NQ - tore ACL at big tens but great regular season
174 Krattiger NQ
184 Salazar
197 Joles
HWT Gable (they’ll be in trouble at this weight if he doesn’t wrestle)

Not a great lineup, but some good recruiting classes coming.


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Switch Polanco and Nagao, and put Tabor in at 197. Then I think that’s the gophers lineup. Bailee O’Reilly might beat out Krattiger at 174.


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[treep2000 1,124]

My guess at tOSU:

125:  Heinselman

133:  Koontz.  I just don't think Decatur can continue to make 133 with any success whatsoever

141: D'Emilio.  Unless Ech has gained some folkstyle chops over the summer. 

149: Sasso

157:  Gallagher.  starts right away, but doesn't find the podium at NCAA's like most think he has the opportunity to do.  There are a lot of solid guys at 157, and I haven't seen evidence (quite yet), that he's at that level.  But... we shall see.

165: Kharchla.  A truly healthy Carson can win the weight.  An unhealthy or slightly injured Kharchla will DNP

174:  Smith.  Ethan moves up to 174 due to Kharchla

184:  Romero.  Kaleb moves up to 184 and has a nice solid showing once again

197:  Hoffman.  I think that Jordan is the odd man out of the lineup this season.

HWT:  Orndorff.  

This buckeye team is going to have its work cut out for it against the rest of the Big Ten competition:

125: Ceiling: 5th-8th

133: Celing: DNP

141: Ceiling: 7th-8th

149: Ceiling: NCAA Champ.  If Yianni is here, ceiling is once again 2nd.

157: Ceiling: 5th-8th

165: Ceiling NCAA Champ

174: Ceiling 5th-8th.  New weight.  New competitors

184: Ceiling 7th-8th.  New weight.  New competitors

197: Ceiling 7th-8th.  

HWT: Ceiling 5th-8th.  HWT is tough again.  

I only see two "locks" to AA, with Sasso and Kharchla, with Sasso being more of a lock than Kharchla (at this point).  Would not be surprised in the least if that's all they get, and also wouldn't be surprised if they end up with 9 AA's. 

[nhs67 1,967]

20 minutes ago, treep2000 said:

My guess at tOSU:

125:  Heinselman

133:  Koontz.  I just don't think Decatur can continue to make 133 with any success whatsoever

141: D'Emilio.  Unless Ech has gained some folkstyle chops over the summer. 

149: Sasso

157:  Gallagher.  starts right away, but doesn't find the podium at NCAA's like most think he has the opportunity to do.  There are a lot of solid guys at 157, and I haven't seen evidence (quite yet), that he's at that level.  But... we shall see.

165: Kharchla.  A truly healthy Carson can win the weight.  An unhealthy or slightly injured Kharchla will DNP

174:  Smith.  Ethan moves up to 174 due to Kharchla

184:  Romero.  Kaleb moves up to 184 and has a nice solid showing once again

197:  Hoffman.  I think that Jordan is the odd man out of the lineup this season.

HWT:  Orndorff.  

This buckeye team is going to have its work cut out for it against the rest of the Big Ten competition:

125: Ceiling: 5th-8th

133: Celing: DNP

141: Ceiling: 7th-8th

149: Ceiling: NCAA Champ.  If Yianni is here, ceiling is once again 2nd.

157: Ceiling: 5th-8th

165: Ceiling NCAA Champ

174: Ceiling 5th-8th.  New weight.  New competitors

184: Ceiling 7th-8th.  New weight.  New competitors

197: Ceiling 7th-8th.  

HWT: Ceiling 5th-8th.  HWT is tough again.  

I only see two "locks" to AA, with Sasso and Kharchla, with Sasso being more of a lock than Kharchla (at this point).  Would not be surprised in the least if that's all they get, and also wouldn't be surprised if they end up with 9 AA's. 

I think they will rotate between the Koontz brothers at 133.  Are you thinking Brady keeps his weight down, or they rotate?  I also would not mind seeing Brady get the nod at 125 if Malik continues to struggle getting past that 2nd/3rd B1G tier again.  He started last year on fire within the B1G but faded.

I think at 141, they should put out the best option, whether it is Decatur, D'Emelio, or Echemendia.  They should use an open or two to determine this.   They should keep Jordan and Ech under redshirt while they determine this.

Here is where I get crazy.  Hear me out.

Move Sasso up to 157 and redshirt Paddy.  I think 157 is just too deep right now.  I also think Sasso is right there with them, though.  I honestly think despite it's depth, Sasso has a better chance to win 157 than 149.  Johnny D is just the worst matchup imaginable for Sasso.  I think Johnny D wins that 10 out of 10 times and it isn't pretty any of those times.

So you use your two best at 141 at 141/149.

174 is Smith and 184 is Romero I agree. 

I think 197 ends up being Rocky.  What is up with Singletary?  Will Hoffman transfer then as well?  Folks seem to forget that Rocky beat both Hoffman and Romero out for their spots when he was at their respective weights.  I think he gets the nod at 197 and I think his style is better suited for 197 than it was 174 or 184.  I also think his style is better suited for 197 than Hoffman and Singletary's is/was.

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On 9/10/2021 at 7:20 AM, nhs67 said:

Gomez at 141?  I thought he had said the cut was a huge detriment to his recovery and health while he was fighting those concussions? 

Edit: BAH! Nevermind.  He was 133 at ISU.  :P

Now wrestlestat has Gomez ranked #6 at 149, so maybe...

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On 9/8/2021 at 2:49 PM, lu1979 said:

I think Hines will move up to 141 this year and start there - he is very tall.  If he returns to 133 I would think he would earn the starting spot.  I agree that Paetzel would have had a chance to AA in 2020 but it was far from a sure thing.  He lost in EIWAs to Columbia's Manchio who was seeded 23rd.  We will see how things shake out.

Paetzell was ill last year and unable to wrestle below 141.  I'm certainly rooting for him but it remains to be seen where he certs and how good he'll be.

[nhs67 1,967]

On 9/15/2021 at 8:54 PM, potentiallydangerous said:

Now wrestlestat has Gomez ranked #6 at 149, so maybe...

I do believe I was the nutcase a couple years ago that said 'Oh he should go 149 or 165 depending on Degen and Carr bump/not bump' a few years ago.  If Marstellar can have success at 165 then Gomez can.  He's got three or four inches on Marstellar.

(joke:haha)

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On 9/13/2021 at 6:37 PM, Bronco said:

My GUESS for Stanford

125 - Jackson DiSario - Junior - 2X NCAA Q

133 - Jason Miranda - Sophomore - 5th at 2021 PAC 12 tournament as a True FR

141 - Real Woods - RS Sophomore - 2X NCAA Q

149 - Jaden Abas - RS Sophomore - 7th Place at 2021 NCAA tournament as a RS FR  OR Fabian Santillan - RS Sophomore

157 - Jaden Abas - RS Sophomore - 7th Place at 2021 NCAA tournament as a RS FR  OR Fabian Santillan - RS Sophomore

165 - Shane Griffith - RS Junior - 2021 NCAA champion at 165 lbs - 2X NCAA Q

174 - Tyler Eischens - RS Junior - 1X NCAA Q - 2nd at 2020 PAC 12 tournament at 157 lbs

184 - Judah Duhm - RS Senior - 2nd Place at 2019 PAC 12 tournament at 184 lbs (hasn't competed for 2 years) OR Nick Addison - RS Sophomore

197 - Nick Stemmet - Sophomore - 3rd Place at 2021 PAC 12 tournament as a True FR

285 - Peter Ming - RS Freshman - 5-1 last season at 285 lbs as a True FR

 

Jaden Abas is a freaking bad ass!!  Love it.  Some tournaments might be difficult though.

[Cowboy08 28]

Oklahoma State

125 - Trevor Mastrogiovanni:   had very solid freshman year.  He was a blue chip recruit and should contend for AA in the 5-8 range

133 - Daton Fix:  Championship or bust.

141 - Dusty Hone:  Solid but unspectacular.  If all things go right he could squeeze out a 7/8 AA finish but likely a DNP

149 - Kaden G'fellar:  Kid was an absolute stud as a freshman and I don't know what the heck happened after that.  Apparently he has been kicked off the team and let back on and hasn't been even close to the same wrestler since his frosh year.  If his head is on right he has the talent to AA.  I'd prefer to see Gfellar start at 141 and freshman stud Victor Voinovich get the start at 149

157 -  Wyatt Sheets:  Had a magical run to 8th place from the 33 seed.  I think it's unlikely he gets back on the podium DNP

165 - Travis Wittlake:  Has been unbelievable his first 2 years going 50-5, he is a threat to make the finals 

174 - Dustin Plott:  looked really good as a freshman until his shoulder injury, which I think is going to be a problem his whole career.  Most likely a DNP.  If Taco Montalvo wins the starting spot here I think he has a good chance to AA

184 - Dakota Geer:  a solid wrestler you know what you are getting from him, unlikely to crack to top 3 but is almost a guaranteed AA again

197 - AJ Ferrari:  Can't wait to see his battles with Amos and a few of the other guys.  May not win the title again but should still finish top 4

Hvy - Austin Harris:  the hole at heavyweight continues, Kerk decommitting was a big blow for this weight but how they haven't found anyone else yet or hit the transfer portal is mind boggling to me.  Gas Tank Gary, Singletary or Nevills would have been a huge upgrade.  Harris wrestles hard but is just completely undersized for heavyweight 

[nhs67 1,967]

Okay gents, got Central Michigan on tap now.

Pretty cut and dry what to expect out of them, aside for 125 with Hildebrandt no being there anymore.

I think we'll see some roster battles towards the beginning of the season, but it will settle towards the end.

125-Perez/Spidle until Bergelin
I think these two will man the spot until the decision to drop Bergelin is made (or if he is already on his way down-not sure).  Both Perez and Spidle have solid upside, but it would look more like Simon's first year starting.  They'll beat a lot of guys they should but will lose to all the NQ-type guys.  They'll both be good... in two years.  That said, I do believe when Bergelin drops we will see a slight dip from Hildebrandt.  Much like when Fleetwood left and we (CMU fans) were like 'Well EFF us then huh?' but Hildebrandt filled in then improved drastically his 2nd year starting... I think we'll see that with Bergelin, who does have two more years left of eligibility.  I don't mean that as a knock on Hildebrandt, as he was a heavy favorite to AA this year.  I mean that as a nod to CMU's staff in being able to field serviceable 125lbers.

Peak: Bergelin qualifies and perhaps wins a match at NCAAs, depending on draw.

Valley: Perez and Spidle duke it out for the spot for the balance of the season until one is hurt or the staff decides on who to throw out there.  I do think these two will man the spot in 2 years for 2-3 years.  Whoever separates themselves sooner will likely get more reps sooner.  Until then, they will get beat up, even in the MAC.

133-Marten
I think this spot is settled, save for any injuries.  We saw him win the matches he should have last year and then went about 50/50 in the matches he could have... we need him to win more of those.

Peak:  NQ... possibly blood round type with the right draw/day.  133 is absolutely stacked still, and with the wrong draw could go O-BBQ.

Valley: He has a poor performance at MACs and doesn't qualify.  Without Mizzou he has a real chance to win the MACs, though.  There are about 5 guys I put all on the same tier there, and he is one of them.

141-Simon
Also a settled spot, and I think this is his breakout year.  Without Mizzou there in Hart (or Edmond) he should be the favorite to win the MACs.  Kinner is at Rider, now... I think that is his biggest opposition.  As long as he doesn't get caught under him early, he should win comfortably, though.  He's right there.  He beat Red at NCAAs, and we all know that post-season Red is a contender every year (HAHA).

Peak: This is where seeding absolutely matters for Simon.  He absolutely needs to nail the National Duals.  If he sees Hart, Willits, Saunder, etc.  He needs to win those matches.  He can drop the Eiermani match and still get a great seed.  Especially if he keeps that close and not get stuck again.  I only see three guys I don't see him being able to beat, which I guess puts his peak at 4th, unless someone else beats them.  That is Eiermani, Lee, and Woods.  I'll say a peak of 3rd because Woods could lose to someone else(although I don't see it).

Valley: I don't see how he doesn't at least qualify.  NCAAs is brutal.  Making them and then getting a draw like Woods or Hart early, because they have an up and down season might be a nightmare sort of draw that makes it so he doesn't perform so well on the backside against someone who is a bit more fresh.

149-Munson
Munson showed a lot of upside both these last two seasons, but he is still losing those matches we need him to win.  If he can get over that hurdle and beat the guys he should be, he will be sitting pretty, as will CMU.

Peak: He stops dropping those 'need' matches and keeps it competitive with everyone else(Like Mauller last year).  He qualifies for nationals and wins a match or two.  Draw dependent.

Valley: He keeps dropping those matches and fails to qualify again.

157-Lovett
Lovett took that next step between MACs and NCAAs last season.  He needs to take another one and he is right there.  He won his last meeting with Jacques and was right there with Sheets (which we all know the winner of that match AAd due to MFT).  He still keeps matches close when they shouldn't be.

Peak: He separates himself from the guys that were right with him last season.  Qualifies for NCAAs and pulls home a low AA position in a loaded 157lb weight class.

Valley: NCAAs was the anomaly and the guys that were close with him start taking matches from him.  The guys who were clearly better during the season separate themselves a bit more and he doesn't qualify for NCAAs.

165-Fedewa/Ringler
Word on the street is Fedewa's injury allowed Ringer to not only drop to 165 but to surpass him considerably.  Ringler hasn't been this low in a long time, though (Frosh or Soph year in HS I think?).  I have high hopes for Ringler if what is said is true, as we were expecting a lot from Fedewa pre-injury.  With Bennett in the room with him... he can go quite a ways.

Peak: In a weight class that depletes a bit by gents going up to, or staying, at 174 he can put together a great run.  Bloodround type performance depending on the draw.

Valley: The practice room doesn't transfer over to performance.  He takes a lot of lumps (likely as a Frosh starter) and fails to qualify.

174-Lowell
Only guy listed at 174 on their roster, so no real choice here, although I think Castillo could make the drop or Fedewa go up if needed.  That said, Lowell is in his 5th year.  I don't see a drastic improvement, and I think that will make it so we don't only see him at 174 this season.  We will see Fedewa (or Ringler) go up once one settles on the starting spot or perhaps Castillo like I said.  Castillo is a 'put me in coach' kind of guy, so he'll do whatever the team needs.

Peak: I don't mean to seem crude or harsh here, but Fedewa or Ringler or Castillo here, or even someone else for experience, gives us the best chance at points at MACs.  So let's say Fedewa comes up... even then I don't know or see us winning any matches at NCAAs if we qualify.  174 is absolutely jacked this year, even with Truax heading up to 184.

Valley: Lowell beats all comers that challenge him at CMU, but doesn't make any improvements.  He is clearly the best option at 174 based on size and experience, but fails to qualify for NCAAs.

184-Cushman
On the other end of the spectrum, nearly, is Cushman.  I do believe he made drastic improvements last year, despite what his record shows.  He looked faster, crisper, and stronger as the season progressed.  He keeps matches close with guys he really shouldn't be, so he is right there.

Peak: He wins all the matches he should, and takes a match or two he shouldn't.  MAC will likely only get 1 AQ in Wilson, but if he wins every match he should, and takes one or two he shouldn't... the one or two he shouldn't would be against Wilson.  He beats him and qualifies for NCAAs... wins a match(or two), depending on the draw.

Valley: He goes 50/50 in those toss-up matches and doesn't qualify for NCAAs.

197-Bolo
I think Bolo will pick up and improve where Pelham left off, which puts him right on the precipice of qualifying.  197 is wide open in the MAC with Smith being the early favorite.  I was a big fan of Pelham and he absolutely had all the physical tools to succeed... I think he just was a bit big and had to focus on his weight too much in the long run.  Bolo isn't too big.  Bolo is the right size and should see some great improvement now that he is the starter.

Peak: He beats Smith for MAC and qualifies.  Wins a match or two he shouldn't at NCAAs and sets him self up for a deep senior run.

Valley: He doesn't make that leap.  He sits around 0.500 and doesn't qualify for NCAAs.

285-Stencel
Stencel will be the first and only 5 time MAC champ... read that again.  He won't be challenged in MAC competition.  Spaudling of Edinboro wrestles him tough, but he never really puts the match in doubt.

Peak: He wins a couple of the matches he lost last year... places high.  He won't beat Cassman, Parris, or Steveson, but he can beat anyone else on that list, including Kerk (in folkstyle).

Valley: He stays stagnant.  He wins MACs still, but still loses against the B1G elites and doesn't even place as he only wins a match or two (or none) at NCAAs.

As a team the MAC race is WIDE open this year.  We could see cumulatively a lot of very bloated records at CMU, similar to Mizzou has had.  The National Duals will tell us a lot of where we are and where we need to go.  I have high hopes that we definitley get NQ at 133, 141, 157, and 285 with good chances at 125, 149, 165, 184 and 197 as well.  174 is a longshot.

Prediction:
Simon, Lovett, Ringer, Stencel all ,at least make it to the Bloodround.  Half win there.  3 of the remaining weights do end up qualifying and we win a total of 1 or 2 matches between those three.

[nhs67 1,967]

47 minutes ago, Cowboy08 said:

Oklahoma State

125 - Trevor Mastrogiovanni:   had very solid freshman year.  He was a blue chip recruit and should contend for AA in the 5-8 range

133 - Daton Fix:  Championship or bust.

141 - Dusty Hone:  Solid but unspectacular.  If all things go right he could squeeze out a 7/8 AA finish but likely a DNP

149 - Kaden G'fellar:  Kid was an absolute stud as a freshman and I don't know what the heck happened after that.  Apparently he has been kicked off the team and let back on and hasn't been even close to the same wrestler since his frosh year.  If his head is on right he has the talent to AA.  I'd prefer to see Gfellar start at 141 and freshman stud Victor Voinovich get the start at 149

157 -  Wyatt Sheets:  Had a magical run to 8th place from the 33 seed.  I think it's unlikely he gets back on the podium DNP

165 - Travis Wittlake:  Has been unbelievable his first 2 years going 50-5, he is a threat to make the finals 

174 - Dustin Plott:  looked really good as a freshman until his shoulder injury, which I think is going to be a problem his whole career.  Most likely a DNP.  If Taco Montalvo wins the starting spot here I think he has a good chance to AA

184 - Dakota Geer:  a solid wrestler you know what you are getting from him, unlikely to crack to top 3 but is almost a guaranteed AA again

197 - AJ Ferrari:  Can't wait to see his battles with Amos and a few of the other guys.  May not win the title again but should still finish top 4

Hvy - Austin Harris:  the hole at heavyweight continues, Kerk decommitting was a big blow for this weight but how they haven't found anyone else yet or hit the transfer portal is mind boggling to me.  Gas Tank Gary, Singletary or Nevills would have been a huge upgrade.  Harris wrestles hard but is just completely undersized for heavyweight 

Does Montalvo not crack the lineup?  Also I believe Doucet will be the man after this year.  He was a huge recruit to the point it was perplexing getting Focus and Doucet as many thought Focus would be going 285.

What do you see there?  Does Focus head up to 285 after this season, or does Doucet slide in?  Is there any chance Doucet makes a drop to 197?

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10 hours ago, nhs67 said:

Does Montalvo not crack the lineup?  Also I believe Doucet will be the man after this year.  He was a huge recruit to the point it was perplexing getting Focus and Doucet as many thought Focus would be going 285.

What do you see there?  Does Focus head up to 285 after this season, or does Doucet slide in?  Is there any chance Doucet makes a drop to 197?

Taco couldn't crack the lineup last year with Geer at 184 and Ferrari at 197 but he did wrestle 2 matches towards the end of the year at 174 when Plott was hurt.  Not sure if he can make 174 for a full season or what that would do to him.  I was excited for Doucet when they signed him but wasn't impressed with what I saw from him last year, obviously a true freshman so he will improve.  As far as heavyweight goes, I actually think AJ is gonna be the future there possibly after this year

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On 9/10/2021 at 10:28 AM, lu1979 said:

No one has projected ASU's lineup yet - they will be very strong this year - I have them at 4th in the preseason.

125 - Courtney - AA 2nd

133 - McGee - AA 6th

141 - Chlebove or Vasquez

149 - Parco - AA 6th

157 - Teemer - AA 4th

165 - A Valencia - AA 8th

174 -& 184 - I am not sure who will end up in these weights with Munoz gone

197 - K Norfleet 

285 - C Schultz - AA 4th

That is a very good lineup especially for tournaments.  With 6 returning AAs plus Norfleet who was a 3 seed last year they will be up there.  Maybe someone can fill in the possibilities for 174, 184, and 141.

ASU could potentially with the right set of circumstances pull off 10AA. That's asking a lot from C. Valencia, A. Valencia and Fagen. I think Norfleet just got into his own head last year. He should have AAd. With his lateral movement and strength he could make the finals to the surprise of everyone. That said, ASU could be right there in the team race with the right draw and some luck. They don't have a guy who is going to bonus everyone on the way to the finals, but they do have a lineup full of very solid wrestlers who have been All American already or have the talent to do it. If they can get 8+ onto the stand with some bonus points, it'll be really interesting. If nobody finishes lower than last year and they can get points from C. Valencia, Fagen and Vasquez, it's going to be really interesting. If they had just one hammer like Zahid Valencia, they would be an instant contender. 

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On 9/8/2021 at 9:34 AM, Housebuye said:

Missouri 

125 - Surtin/Brown - NQ

133 - Schmitt - NQ

141 - Hart/Edmund - Hart is a NQ

149 - Mauller - multiple time AA

157 - Jacques - NQ

165 - OToole - AA

174 - Mocco - NQ

184 - Kent or Hawks. Kent is a NQ

197 - Rocky Elam - AA

Hvwt - Elam - NQ

no holes. 3 title contenders. I think they qualify 10 

Anyone have insight on who's leading the competition between Hart/Edmond and Kent/Hawks?

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7 hours ago, TripNSweep said:

ASU could potentially with the right set of circumstances pull off 10AA. That's asking a lot from C. Valencia, A. Valencia and Fagen. I think Norfleet just got into his own head last year. He should have AAd. With his lateral movement and strength he could make the finals to the surprise of everyone. That said, ASU could be right there in the team race with the right draw and some luck. They don't have a guy who is going to bonus everyone on the way to the finals, but they do have a lineup full of very solid wrestlers who have been All American already or have the talent to do it. If they can get 8+ onto the stand with some bonus points, it'll be really interesting. If nobody finishes lower than last year and they can get points from C. Valencia, Fagen and Vasquez, it's going to be really interesting. If they had just one hammer like Zahid Valencia, they would be an instant contender. 

There are going to be a lot of guys back in the mix at every weight that did not wrestle last year... the ivy teams (Cornell) plus individuals. I can easily see a lot of guys that AA last year (not just ASU but in general) that will place lower or not at all this coming year. I don't see ASU having an AA at 141, 174 or 184. I agree with Norfleet - he should AA and he has potential to be a bonus points guy. At the end of the day, I don't see ASU as a title threat but I think they could definitely get another trophy - which would be great for the Pac 12 as a conference - coupled with rising teams like Stanford and OSU. 

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4 minutes ago, Idaho said:

There are going to be a lot of guys back in the mix at every weight that did not wrestle last year... the ivy teams (Cornell) plus individuals. I can easily see a lot of guys that AA last year (not just ASU but in general) that will place lower or not at all this coming year. I don't see ASU having an AA at 141, 174 or 184. I agree with Norfleet - he should AA and he has potential to be a bonus points guy. At the end of the day, I don't see ASU as a title threat but I think they could definitely get another trophy - which would be great for the Pac 12 as a conference - coupled with rising teams like Stanford and OSU. 

We read you the first time.  Geesh.