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I would be SHOCKED. Absolutely and completely blown away if a single wrestler in America - outside Gable because that is a multi-year professional deal with a NIL clause - signed a yearly deal approaching $25k. Much less multiple Penn State wrestlers signing $100,000+ deals. 

Your best wrestler would be lucky to get $2-5k a year.

Nick Lee has been posting controversial opinions on Afghanistan and brands want no part of that.

RBY has a decent following but nowhere near big enough for 6 figures.

Starocci has less than 30k instagram followers. 

Brooks has less than 20k instagram followers.

You think Max Dean and the Dean's family stance on vaccination is going to be valued in this environment? 

This is absurd. 

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5 minutes ago, MizzouGrad said:

I would be SHOCKED. Absolutely and completely blown away if a single wrestler in America - outside Gable because that is a multi-year professional deal with a NIL clause - signed a yearly deal approaching $25k. Much less multiple Penn State wrestlers signing $100,000+ deals. 

Your best wrestler would be lucky to get $2-5k a year.

Nick Lee has been posting controversial opinions on Afghanistan and brands want no part of that.

RBY has a decent following but nowhere near big enough for 6 figures.

Starocci has less than 30k instagram followers. 

Brooks has less than 20k instagram followers.

You think Max Dean and the Dean's family stance on vaccination is going to be valued in this environment? 

This is absurd. 

Nothing controversial about those takes on Afghanistan just fyi.

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5 minutes ago, MizzouGrad said:

I would be SHOCKED. Absolutely and completely blown away if a single wrestler in America - outside Gable because that is a multi-year professional deal with a NIL clause - signed a yearly deal approaching $25k. Much less multiple Penn State wrestlers signing $100,000+ deals. 

Your best wrestler would be lucky to get $2-5k a year.

Nick Lee has been posting controversial opinions on Afghanistan and brands want no part of that.

RBY has a decent following but nowhere near big enough for 6 figures.

Starocci has less than 30k instagram followers. 

Brooks has less than 20k instagram followers.

You think Max Dean and the Dean's family stance on vaccination is going to be valued in this environment? 

This is absurd. 

It’s controversial to not want to leave 1,000s of Americans and our allies behind in a hostile country ? Weird take 

Well you should sit down and prepare to be shocked because gable total NIL deals will have him making over 7 figures this season other athletes are getting paid way more then 5 grand a year, 

what the hell does the Dean family and their thoughts on the COVID vax have to do with anything? 

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27 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said:

It’s controversial to not want to leave 1,000s of Americans and our allies behind in a hostile country ? Weird take 

Well you should sit down and prepare to be shocked because gable total NIL deals will have him making over 7 figures this season other athletes are getting paid way more then 5 grand a year, 

what the hell does the Dean family and their thoughts on the COVID vax have to do with anything? 

Based on people arguing about it in this thread and how fired up you are about it, clearly it is controversial. 

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16 minutes ago, Housebuye said:

Based on people arguing about it in this thread and how fired up you are about it, clearly it is controversial. 

America has a problem when we value a handful of opinions (even thousands) that come from the internet or social media. What kind of leadership do we have when a relatively small number of internet opinions can cause corporations and government to bow to their will? 

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2 minutes ago, TBar1977 said:

America has a problem when we value a handful of opinions (even thousands) that come from the internet or social media. What kind of leadership do we have when a relatively small number of internet opinions can cause corporations and government to bow to their will? 

Isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work? Supply and demand. Corporations are just following the market, no?

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22 minutes ago, TBar1977 said:

America has a problem when we value a handful of opinions (even thousands) that come from the internet or social media. What kind of leadership do we have when a relatively small number of internet opinions can cause corporations and government to bow to their will? 

Let’s not make this a political thread please. Happy to talk about it elsewhere. 

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2 hours ago, flyingcement said:

Anyone hear of any issues like this at other schools?  I wasn't aware that the school was in position to "approve" the deals.  

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A part of the deal is the schools must approve each NIL deal an athlete signs. This is mainly so athletes aren't signing deals for things like gambling, alcohol, etc that a school wouldn't want their brand associated with.

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4 minutes ago, BobDole said:

A part of the deal is the schools must approve each NIL deal an athlete signs. This is mainly so athletes aren't signing deals for things like gambling, alcohol, etc that a school wouldn't want their brand associated with.

Okay that seems reasonable in theory.  I wonder if this means that wrestlers and their schools may be clashing a bit more with regards to ideology and value systems if the school are in a position to prevent them from making money based on a subjective judgment.  Wrestlers may start to migrate toward schools which have demonstrated they will not get in the way of players receiving money - whatever reason the school may have.  

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For the people doubting them being offered 6 figures, how do we know this isn’t just wealthy a PSU booster? I think many of these NIL deals will just be easier avenues for supporters of a team to directly pay athletes. Obviously Kellogg’s isn’t lining up to sign Nick Lee, but maybe James Smith, the Car Wash King of Happy Valley, is. 

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Just now, Billyhoyle said:

For the people doubting them being offered 6 figures, how do we know this isn’t just wealthy a PSU booster? I think many of these NIL deals will just be easier avenues for supporters of a team to directly pay athletes. 

Very possible. Could also be why PSU is not allowing it

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2 minutes ago, Billyhoyle said:

For the people doubting them being offered 6 figures, how do we know this isn’t just wealthy a PSU booster? I think many of these NIL deals will just be easier avenues for supporters of a team to directly pay athletes. Obviously Kellogg’s isn’t lining up to sign Nick Lee, but maybe James Smith, the Car Wash King of Happy Valley, is. 

great point that I hadn't considered

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2 hours ago, Perry said:

Nothing controversial about those takes on Afghanistan just fyi.

 

2 hours ago, Antitroll2828 said:

It’s controversial to not want to leave 1,000s of Americans and our allies behind in a hostile country ? Weird take 

Well you should sit down and prepare to be shocked because gable total NIL deals will have him making over 7 figures this season other athletes are getting paid way more then 5 grand a year, 

what the hell does the Dean family and their thoughts on the COVID vax have to do with anything? 

Don't expect much.  If you recall, he was supposed to move to Bulgaria, or some crap...

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5 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

great point that I hadn't considered

The business wouldn’t even lose that much money if the athletes make local appearances/do signings. Maybe the cost is 100K, but then the athlete agrees to do a number of signings/appearances in advertising that drives 50K in revenue. The other 50K is written off as a business expense.  So the business owner is really paying about 25K after taxes (maybe less?) and in exchange gets to watch his favorite team win an NCAA title and has direct access to the program/athletes. 
 

Many furniture stores, car washes, restaurant chains, etc would do that. 

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26 minutes ago, TBar1977 said:

A small number of rabble rousers is not "the market". 

Have you considered that they aren't a small number and that in fact you're the one in the minority? Corporations aren't in the business of throwing away money. If they do something, it's because they think it will help them make more money.

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The idea that multiple wrestlers on one team are getting six figure deals makes no sense. Why offer 100K when you can get them for 10K (or 1K)? There are three reasons I can think of to offer someone a big NIL deal:

1. To keep them away from a competing business
2. Because you believe that you will make the money back in additional sales or marketing exposure
3. To funnel money to wrestlers on the team without caring if you make it back in sales

The third one seems like something a compliance office could get antsy about, especially if it seems like the payment is not for work actually performed. 

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7 minutes ago, IronChef said:

The idea that multiple wrestlers on one team are getting six figure deals makes no sense. Why offer 100K when you can get them for 10K (or 1K)? There are three reasons I can think of to offer someone a big NIL deal:

1. To keep them away from a competing business
2. Because you believe that you will make the money back in additional sales or marketing exposure
3. To funnel money to wrestlers on the team without caring if you make it back in sales

The third one seems like something a compliance office could get antsy about, especially if it seems like the payment is not for work actually performed. 

Spot on. 

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