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1 hour ago, Fletcher said:

Because the unvaxxed are the reason my kids still have to wear masks in school, my work location is still remote, and people can't get medical care because hospitals are overwhelmed with unvaxxed people with covid. 

i get that.

but even tho i am vaxxed, i could carry it and give it to you.

so you are saying that yoiu aren't scared of vaxxed ppl? 

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Natural immunity has scientifically been proven to be anywhere from 13 to 27 times more effective against covid than the vaccine, yet we scream at people who wont take an unnecessary medical injection because they are dangerous, all while not understanding the naturally immune we are screaming at are over ten fold more immune than the ones who got the injection.  Maybe Kennedy already had it and is better equipped against the virus than many people calling him a danger to society or somehow morally corrupt for not going along with the narrative "just let them inject you idiot".  These, btw, are the same people running a slogan "protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated" and calling for a 4th injection to be safe.  Perspective seems to be a premium the last 6 years

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1 hour ago, Fletcher said:

I'm thinking this means he appealed the deadline and agreed to a later one. Northwestern's been very cautious with regard to covid and its' students so far; I can't imagine they're now being more relaxed and making exceptions for a coach in a sport the AD doesn't like in the first place.

Get that wrestling content out of here, bro! I'm trying to read the same vaccine debate in every thread.

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4 minutes ago, olddirty said:

Natural immunity has scientifically been proven to be anywhere from 13 to 27 times more effective against covid than the vaccine, yet we scream at people who wont take an unnecessary medical injection because they are dangerous, all while not understanding the naturall immune we are screaming at are over ten fold more immune than the ones who got the injection.  Maybe Kennedy already had it and is better equipped against the virus than many people calling him a danger to society or somehow morally corrupt for not going along with the narrative "just let them inject you idiot".  These, btw, are the same people running a slogan "protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated" and calling for a 4th injection to be safe.  Perspective seems to be a premium the last 6 years

So you ARE a science guy? But you just get your news on Facebook? 

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6 minutes ago, olddirty said:

Natural immunity has scientifically been proven to be anywhere from 13 to 27 times more effective against covid than the vaccine,

False. 

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1 minute ago, lurk_nowitzki said:

So you ARE a science guy? But you just get your news on Facebook? 

I have a masters degree in health and I am a teacher.  I have to stay educated on the subject per ed code, and I enjoy researching health topics with an open mind, trying to learn new things or at minimum, stay informed on relative topics that students may have questions about.  Facebook news is slanted, just like CNN, Fox, and Microsoft.  Coming out of those camps, I just disregard it.  Facebook especially.

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2 hours ago, GockeS said:

but either way

its not a vaccine

its a proph.

like the flu shot

you still need one every year... b/c of changes.

there will never be a 'vaccine' for covid in the way we think about the polio vaccine

FFS, it *is* a vaccine.  The flu shots are vaccines.  The coronavirus shots are vaccines.  Of course it isn't the same as the polio vaccine, because polio has only one kind of
effect on the body, and the vaccine prevents that effect.  The coronavirus, besides the deadly effects that the virus blocks, also has an effect similar to flu symptoms in the upper
respiratory region.

By what definition is this not a vaccine?

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2 hours ago, GockeS said:

this

This what?  The comparison of the flu, which has killed < 50,000 per year in the US, to the coronavirus, which has killed over 700,000 in the US *despite* massive intervention methods (that most people tried to adhere to)?

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48 minutes ago, Fletcher said:

Nice try at changing the subject. Virus variations are not something we can control. Getting enough people vaxxed to get to herd immunity is something we can control.

And to minimize the number of variants that arise.

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27 minutes ago, olddirty said:

Natural immunity has scientifically been proven to be anywhere from 13 to 27 times more effective against covid than the vaccine, yet we scream at people who wont take an unnecessary medical injection because they are dangerous, all while not understanding the naturally immune we are screaming at are over ten fold more immune than the ones who got the injection.  Maybe Kennedy already had it and is better equipped against the virus than many people calling him a danger to society or somehow morally corrupt for not going along with the narrative "just let them inject you idiot".  These, btw, are the same people running a slogan "protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated" and calling for a 4th injection to be safe.  Perspective seems to be a premium the last 6 years

Why not just get the vaccine?  What's the objection?

"Among Kentucky residents infected with SARS-CoV-2 in 2020, vaccination status of those reinfected during May–June 2021 was compared with that of residents who were not reinfected. In this case-control study, being unvaccinated was associated with 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with being fully vaccinated."

Something like 99% of hospitalizations and deaths are now among the un-vaccinated.  To focus on those who have been previously infected is a red herring.  About 43 million US citizens have been infected; about 150 million have not been fully vaccinated.  Which is the bigger concern?

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18 minutes ago, klehner said:

Why not just get the vaccine?  What's the objection?

"Among Kentucky residents infected with SARS-CoV-2 in 2020, vaccination status of those reinfected during May–June 2021 was compared with that of residents who were not reinfected. In this case-control study, being unvaccinated was associated with 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with being fully vaccinated."

Something like 99% of hospitalizations and deaths are now among the un-vaccinated.  To focus on those who have been previously infected is a red herring.  About 43 million US citizens have been infected; about 150 million have not been fully vaccinated.  Which is the bigger concern?

Using the Israel study, not the Kentucky, which shows 13 times less likely to be infected.  When addressing a biggest concern, you specifically - how, concerned are you with college wrestlers dying of covid?  In addition, you have 2 studies showing exact opposite results.  What are your specific thoughts on the statement that when it comes to naturally immune vs vaccinated, a nuanced approach is better than a 1 sized fits all hard line response?

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3 minutes ago, olddirty said:

Using the Israel study, not the Kentucky, which shows 13 times less likely to be infected.  When addressing a biggest concern, you specifically - how, concerned are you with college wrestlers dying of covid?  In addition, you have 2 studies showing exact opposite results.  What are your specific thoughts on the statement that when it comes to naturally immune vs vaccinated, a nuanced approach is better than a 1 sized fits all hard line response?

Since you think that "dying of covid" is the only outcome, I'll bow out of this conversation at this point.

(I have a freshman daughter at a B1G school, and my wife is a HS teacher, so I am quite invested in this topic)

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1 hour ago, olddirty said:

Natural immunity has scientifically been proven to be anywhere from 13 to 27 times more effective against covid than the vaccine

Unfortunately, this is not true.

It is also a misleading tale that is making the rounds from Instagram to Facebook and even to our little wrestling corner of the internet.

Get the jab, keep your wrestling team on the mat, and keep your parents and grandparents safe - and everybody else's too.

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2 minutes ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Unfortunately, this not true. Do not hang your hat on this one.

Now I don’t know who to believe! ?This thread is getting to sound more and more like CDC! ? Could someone please, just give me the facts!

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4 minutes ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Unfortunately, this is not true.

It is also a misleading tale that is making the rounds from Instagram to Facebook and even to our little wrestling corner of the internet.

Get the jab, keep your wrestling team on the mat, and keep your parents and grandparents safe - and everybody else's too.

Name one vaccine ever that’s been stronger then the natural immunity a person gets from their own immune system building antibodies to fight a virus 

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1 hour ago, GockeS said:

i get that.

but even tho i am vaxxed, i could carry it and give it to you.

so you are saying that yoiu aren't scared of vaxxed ppl? 

I’m not scared of vaxxed or unvaxxed and you are getting off topic. We currently have hospitals at capacity due to covid and they’re 99% unvaxxed people. If I need a medical procedure and can’t get a hospital room because unvaxxed people keep catching covid, that’s a problem for everyone.

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6 minutes ago, southend said:

Now I don’t know who to believe! ?This thread is getting to sound more and more like CDC! ? Could someone please, just give me the facts!

There is obviously a lot of information out there - the main thing is to be sure you're viewing a reputable source. As an example, here's a link to Johns Hopkins ( at jhu.edu):

Vaccines beat natural immunity in fight against COVID-19 | Hub (jhu.edu)

 

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1 hour ago, Fletcher said:

I’m not scared of vaxxed or unvaxxed and you are getting off topic. We currently have hospitals at capacity due to covid and they’re 99% unvaxxed people. If I need a medical procedure and can’t get a hospital room because unvaxxed people keep catching covid, that’s a problem for everyone.

If hospitals were really at capacity they wouldn’t be firing tons of nurses and doctors for not getting vaccinated 

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55 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said:

Name one vaccine ever that’s been stronger then the natural immunity a person gets from their own immune system building antibodies to fight a virus 

That's as big of a troll post as I've seen you post, you're just trying to confuse the issue and muddy the water here.

Here is what we're actually talking about in terms of wrestling and the NU coaches:

1. Reckless Coaches = Those who haven't had Covid, and aren't vaccinated. In this scenario, approx. 700,000 in the US have died - that's 1 out of every 500 people. To choose to remain in this group is reckless and irresponsible. These coaches, in my opinion, should be required to be vaccinated or be immediately terminated.

2. Natural-Immunity Only Coaches = Those that have had Covid, but still aren't vaccinated. In this scenario, they have some natural immunity but it isn't nearly as good as getting vaccinated 'on top of' natural immunity. IMO, no coaches should be in this group... they should be required to be vaccinated. If they are unwilling to perform their civic responsibility by getting vaccinated, they should not be in consideration for the position.

3. Natural-Immunity+Vaxxed & Vaxxed Coaches = Those that are responsible and have taken the proper precautions to be a coach in a college or university. They have done their civic responsibility and can be in consideration for a position of leadership of young people.

 

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Just now, GreatWhiteNorth said:

That's as big of a troll post as I've seen you post, you're just trying to confuse the issue and muddy the water here.

Here is what we're actually talking about in terms of wrestling and the NU coaches:

1. Reckless Coaches = Those who haven't had Covid, and aren't vaccinated. In this scenario, approx. 700,000 in the US have died - that's 1 out of every 500 people. To choose to remain in this group is reckless and irresponsible. These coaches, in my opinion, should be required to be vaccinated or be immediately terminated.

2. Natural-Immunity Only Coaches = Those that have had Covid, but still aren't vaccinated. In this scenario, they have some natural immunity but it isn't nearly as good as getting vaccinated 'on top of' natural immunity. IMO, no coaches should be in this group... they should be required to be vaccinated. If they are unwilling to perform their civic responsibility by getting vaccinated, they should not be in consideration for the position.

3. Natural-Immunity+Vaxxed & Vaxxed Coaches = Those that are responsible and have taken the proper precautions to be a coach in a college or university. They have done their civic responsibility and can be in consideration for a position of leadership of young people.

 

Do you get paid to spread this nonsense or do you actually just spend your free time crapping out of your mouth? 
 

 random internet guy who the hell are you to tell people what their civic responsibility is? 

honestly the audacity of some of you people to say things like “people should lose their jobs” and shaming people for a personal choice, like what is wrong with you? Who hurt you? Where does this irrational anger for strangers you’ve never met come from? There has been more adverse reactions to these “vaccines” then any others in history and yet people like you think you better than anyone else.

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1 minute ago, Antitroll2828 said:

If hospitals were really at capacity they wouldn’t be firing tons of nurses and doctors for not getting vaccinated 

I've heard from Q posts on facebook that it's the deep state behind this. Those videos of full ICU's were filmed at the same fake studio where they filmed the so-called moon landing. The 'actors' were actually abducted from a pizza parlor and forced at gunpoint to be filmed before being sold to a sex trafficking ring operated by illegal Mexicans and funded by Northwestern University and big pharma.

 

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Just now, GreatWhiteNorth said:

I've heard from Q posts on facebook that it's the deep state behind this. Those videos of full ICU's were filmed at the same fake studio where they filmed the so-called moon landing. The 'actors' were actually abducted from a pizza parlor and forced at gunpoint to be filmed before being sold to a sex trafficking ring operated by illegal Mexicans and funded by Northwestern University and big pharma.

 

So you have no rebuttal?

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