Team Race Down to the Wire

[lu1979 565]

Tomorrow the Men's FS wraps up - Currently the scores stand at (this is with all earned points already assigned) EDITED BASED ON INFO FROM LATER POSTS

Russia - 163 pts

USA - 168 pts

Iran - 151 pts

Highest points each team can score if they win all their matches:

Russia - 173

USA - 173

Iran - 171

Russia has one guy wrestling for Gold (97) and 1 for Bronze(70).  Iran has 1 wrestling for Bronze (97) and 1 in reparcharge (70) and the USA has 1 wrestling for Gold (97)

For the US to win we need Snyder to beat Sadulaev.  If Snyder loses and the Russian bronze guy loses also US & Russia can tie  at 168 pts.  If that happens Iran could win if both their guys take bronze.

If Russia wins both matches they have the team title. If Snyder loses to Sad and the Russian 70 kg loses US & Russia tie.  

 

Edited October 4, 2021 by lu1979

[spladle08 1,126]

Nice breakdown.

Russia doing work with their D team

[NJDan 1,096]

Another genius insult. Yes, Russia's D Team has multiple world champs.

[jmachinder 71]

USA actually has 168 points and James Green is assured 7th place.  

[GenralLee 13]

If USA is actually 168  with Greens points then what is Russias team score?

[TripNSweep 765]

22 minutes ago, jmachinder said:

USA actually has 168 points and James Green is assured 7th place.  

If Russia loses at 70 and Sadulaev wins, I think that would be a tie. 

[scribe 1,838]

If we lose, I blame gable. (Not the world champion gable) 

[lu1979 565]

51 minutes ago, jmachinder said:

USA actually has 168 points and James Green is assured 7th place.  

I didn't know Green had locked up 7th place and did not include points for him in my original post - that means that USA's lowest possible score will be 168 and our highest will be 173 (with a W by Snyder)  Based on that T & S is right above - if Snyder loses and the 70 kg Russian also loses both teams will have 168 pts.  If that happens Iran could pass both teams if they win both bronzes tomorrow - they would end up with 171 pts.  We really do have a 3 team race coming down to the last matches.

[jmachinder 71]

He broke it down:  

 

The Wrestling Nomad

 

@wrestlingnomad

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1h

 

USA path to victory: - Snyder beats Sadulaev

 

Russia path to victory: - Zherbaev and Sadulaev both win

 

Iran path to victory: - Elahi beats Zherbaev for bronze, Goleij wins bronze, and Sadulaev beats Snyder

[The Genius 381]

1 hour ago, NJDan said:

Another genius insult. Yes, Russia's D Team has multiple world champs.

No Uguev / Idrisov / Kasumov / Sidakov / Rashidov ... etc

[hammerlockthree 2,635]

I don't not understand the impulse to make vapid, sneering remarks on behalf of people who didn't show up for a tournament....

Edited October 4, 2021 by hammerlockthree

[MSU158 2,012]

12 minutes ago, hammerlockthree said:

I don't not understand the impulse to make vapid, sneering remarks on behalf of people who didn't show up for a tournament....

Was that an intentional double negative?  So, you are saying you understand the impulse?

[AHamilton 1,026]

1 hour ago, TripNSweep said:

If Russia loses at 70 and Sadulaev wins, I think that would be a tie. 

US would have tiebreaker. (most individual champs?)

Edited October 4, 2021 by AHamilton

[TripNSweep 765]

10 minutes ago, AHamilton said:

US would have tiebreaker. (most individual champs?)

That's the best shot for the US. Sadulaev looks very impressive. 

[lu_alum 920]

10 minutes ago, AHamilton said:

US would have tiebreaker. (most individual champs?)

Is Sadulaev wins and RWF 70kg loses...  Both would have three champs, but USA would have higher number of runners-up:

	1st	2nd	3rd	5th
USA	3	3	1	1
RWF	3	1	3	2

[AHamilton 1,026]

4 minutes ago, lu_alum said:

Is Sadulaev wins and RWF 70kg loses...  Both would have three champs, but USA would have higher number of runners-up:

	1st	2nd	3rd	5th
USA	3	3	1	1
RWF	3	1	3	2

OK! Sounds good!

And the Iranian 97 also must lose?

Edited October 4, 2021 by AHamilton

[AnklePicker 646]

2 hours ago, spladle08 said:

Nice breakdown.

Russia doing work with their D team

Far from their D team. This is their B team with some As sprinkled in. 

[lu_alum 920]

8 minutes ago, AHamilton said:

OK! Sounds good!

And the Iranian 97 also must lose?

Correct.  If Sadulaev wins, and RWF 70kg loses to Iran.  If Iran 97kg wins the 3-5 bout, the final looks like this:

	1st	2nd	3rd	5th	Points
Iran	3	3	2	0	171
USA	3	3	1	1	168
RWF	3	1	3	2	168

 

If Sadulaev wins, and RWF 70kg loses to Iran.  If Iran 97kg loses the 3-5 bout, the final looks like this:

	1st	2nd	3rd	5th	Points
USA	3	3	1	1	168
RWF	3	1	3	2	168
Iran	3	3	1	1	166

Edited October 4, 2021 by lu_alum

[spladle08 1,126]

Far from their D team. This is their B team with some As sprinkled in. 

It's tough cause a few weights have clear C's if not D's but I fully acknowledge 86/97 are clear A's 61kg is their best for the weight I believe.

 

Off the top of my head with 0 research so hopefully somebody looks into it

 

57kg C/D debatable

61kg A

65kg B/C debatable

70kg B/C debatable

74kg F?

79kg C

86kg A

92kg A

97kg A

125kg D

 

Yeah I guess it was a pretty good team. With 4 of 10 weights A team guys it's definitely hard to call it less than a B team ..

 

 

 

[HawkY 112]

2 minutes ago, spladle08 said:

It's tough cause a few weights have clear C's if not D's but I fully acknowledge 86/97 are clear A's

61kg is their best for the weight I believe.

 

Off the top of my head with 0 research so hopefully somebody looks into it

 

57kg C/D debatable

61kg A

65kg B/C debatable

70kg B/C debatable

74kg F?

79kg C

86kg A

92kg A

97kg A

125kg D

 

Yeah I guess it was a pretty good team. With 4 of 10 weights A team guys it's definitely hard to call it less than a B team ..

 

125 is not their D. He is the A. He beat Kozyrev in a wrestle-off after his poor Olympics. Russia is not good at 125. 

[spladle08 1,126]

125 is not their D. He is the A. He beat Kozyrev in a wrestle-off after his poor Olympics. Russia is not good at 125. 

I was just guessing. I didn't even see the wrestle-off result.
Fail me

[spladle08 1,126]

125 is not their D. He is the A. He beat Kozyrev in a wrestle-off after his poor Olympics. Russia is not good at 125. 

But also thanks for the info. I'd take info on all the wrestle offs if somebody has that handy

[AnklePicker 646]

7 minutes ago, spladle08 said:

I was just guessing. I didn't even see the wrestle-off result.
Fail me

I went down all of flo’s rankings. All A and Bs aside from Zhamalov because he’s hurt. They chose the Russian ranked below him. 

[spladle08 1,126]

I went down all of flo’s rankings. All A and Bs aside from Zhamalov because he’s hurt. They chose the Russian ranked below him. 

I would've expected them to send Gazi or Kurb or somebody but those are just people I think of when I think of who's in the running for the top spot. I know Bizhoev is tough but I just assumes he was a tier down  

I should've researched before I commented.

 

 

 

[NJDan 1,096]

9 minutes ago, AnklePicker said:

I went down all of flo’s rankings. All A and Bs aside from Zhamalov because he’s hurt. They chose the Russian ranked below him. 

Spladle08 doesn't know about rankings. He just guesses.