Intermat Top 50

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I do believe that this list has a

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2 hours ago, VakAttack said:

On a list like this, it's impossible to please everybody, and almost everybody looks at it thru their preconceived biases.  For example, I think some of the Iowa guys are too low.  But again, it's all about how difficult these lists are.

Edited November 3, 2021 by SignificantACCBias

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Did Willie reveal the last 8 guys yet?

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3 hours ago, ShakaAloha said:

Did Willie reveal the last 8 guys yet?

Just #8 so far (RBY). Supposed to be 1 per day from here on.

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#7 - Austin O'Connor

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4 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

#7 - Austin O'Connor

He is ranked way too high.  Regardless of whether he wrestles at 149 or 157, he's not repeating as NCAA champ.

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13 hours ago, ugarte said:

sure but i don't know why you'd ignore freestyle and i think his freestyle results indicate that he's better than the #2 pfp guy at some weights 

Because the list is collegiate wrestlers at collegiate wrestling?  Also it's opinion based.  Whoever made it may have differing opinions than others.

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2 hours ago, nhs67 said:

Because the list is collegiate wrestlers at collegiate wrestling?  Also it's opinion based.  Whoever made it may have differing opinions than others.

In the accompanying article on Rokfin Corby says:

"While we are counting down the top-50 wrestlers based primarily on collegiate accomplishments, it is impossible to totally ignore achievements in the international settings, so they did factor in slightly, too."

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17 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

In the accompanying article on Rokfin Corby says:

"While we are counting down the top-50 wrestlers based primarily on collegiate accomplishments, it is impossible to totally ignore achievements in the international settings, so they did factor in slightly, too."

That doesn't change that the latter part of my statement is entirely true and runs in line with what he said 

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6 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

In the accompanying article on Rokfin Corby says:

"While we are counting down the top-50 wrestlers based primarily on collegiate accomplishments, it is impossible to totally ignore achievements in the international settings, so they did factor in slightly, too."

Reading between the lines, I think this means they will have Spencer #1 and Gable #2.

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7 minutes ago, ShakaAloha said:

Reading between the lines, I think this means they will have Spencer #1 and Gable #2.

I would place Gable at #1. He has nobody in the field that is anywhere close to him. Zero ACL Spencer can at least conceivably lose to a Glory or Arujau. Then there is Suriano if he finds a landing spot. 

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6 minutes ago, TBar1977 said:

I would place Gable at #1. He has nobody in the field that is anywhere close to him. Zero ACL Spencer can at least conceivably lose to a Glory or Arujau. Then there is Suriano if he finds a landing spot. 

Gable with no ACLs could also lose to them?

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1 minute ago, nhs67 said:

Gable with no ACLs could also lose to them?

Gable with no ACLs would still probably beat any two of them together at the same time!

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Just now, TBar1977 said:

Gable with no ACLs would still probably beat any two of them together at the same time!

You miss my meaning.

It means COULD means jack.  He WON'T lose to any of the three you listed.

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18 minutes ago, ShakaAloha said:

Reading between the lines, I think this means they will have Spencer #1 and Gable #2.

Interesting. I came to the opposite conclusion. Given that they tied for the Hodge last year I read that sentence as hinting that they would break the tie with Gable's Olympic gold.

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6 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

You miss my meaning.

It means COULD means jack.  He WON'T lose to any of the three you listed.

What are you even arguing about? Gable wrestling a 125? Impossible for Spencer to lose this coming year? Huh? 

Edited November 4, 2021 by TBar1977

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38 minutes ago, TBar1977 said:

What are you even arguing about? Gable wrestling a 125? Impossible for Spencer to lose this coming year? Huh? 

Just being my typical ponce self.

Lee isn't losing.  Saying he will is like saying Steveson will.

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3 hours ago, TBar1977 said:

I would place Gable at #1. He has nobody in the field that is anywhere close to him. Zero ACL Spencer can at least conceivably lose to a Glory or Arujau. Then there is Suriano if he finds a landing spot. 

Agreed, as I stated earlier in the thread, the reigning Olympic gold medalist should be #1.  However, the Corby guy's comment leads me to believe they're going to put Spencer at #1.

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#6 - Aaron Brooks

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12 hours ago, ShakaAloha said:

Agreed, as I stated earlier in the thread, the reigning Olympic gold medalist should be #1.  However, the Corby guy's comment leads me to believe they're going to put Spencer at #1.

Oh well. I don't get it. 

Gable has lost to only one college wrestler, Anthony Cassar,  and that wrestler has moved on. Both of the losses were by 1 point if I recall.

Spencer has a bunch of losses and he has even been pinned. 

Like I said in the prior post. I can at least envision Lee losing. Can't envision Gable S. losing this year. 

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1 hour ago, TBar1977 said:

Oh well. I don't get it. 

Gable has lost to only one college wrestler, Anthony Cassar,  and that wrestler has moved on. Both of the losses were by 1 point if I recall.

Spencer has a bunch of losses and he has even been pinned. 

Like I said in the prior post. I can at least envision Lee losing. Can't envision Gable S. losing this year. 

I guess a record of 66-1 doesn't factor in this conversation.

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IMHO they will put Lee #1 and Gable #2 (and Yianni #3) but at the end of the day - who really cares?  They both shared the Hodge last year, and if they both go undefeated and win again it is very likely they will share it again.

Wrestling predictions make little sense between weights - maybe a little more within an individual weight class, because they can never be resolved on the mat. 

 

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5 hours ago, klehner said:

I guess a record of 66-1 doesn't factor in this conversation.

They say freestyle factors into the convo, and he lost badly to Nick Lee so he is on the outside looking in. 

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1 hour ago, TBar1977 said:

They say freestyle factors into the convo, and he lost badly to Nick Lee so he is on the outside looking in. 

But I have been told that everyone who lost to Nick Lee wasn't trying.

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#5 - David Carr

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So the only suspense left is who gets #3 and who gets #4 between yianni Diakomihalis and Nick Lee, and who gets #1 and who gets #2 between Gable Steveson and Spencer Lee.

My guess is unchanged:

#1 - Steveson

#2 - S Lee

#3 Diakomihalis

#4 N Lee