nom 1,186 Report post Posted November 26, 2021 (edited) Instagram post. Of course he did it in a very tactful way. And I think I agree with him. Is it the way now to declare yourself the GOAT or to leave it to the masses and or pundits? Edited November 26, 2021 by nom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moodybooty 93 Report post Posted November 26, 2021 I think, at the least, we can agree that John’s world photo feels more classic, and that has to mean something when trying to figure out /the/ GOAT. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headache 149 Report post Posted November 26, 2021 Not very classy. 2 hammerlockthree and AZ_wrestling reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BAC 237 Report post Posted November 26, 2021 I think you guys are misreading the post. The first paragraph is not referring to himself as the GOAT. It’s referring only to John Smith. Pretty much the whole post is an ode to Smith, which makes the context of that first paragraph more clear. He only brings himself into it at the end, but only in the context of finally catching Smith’s 6. He doesn’t try to claim he surpassed him (though JB’s bronzes give him fodder for the argument), and makes a point to mention that Smith’s were consecutive. “onto7” he says at the end, as if to drive home the point that is is pausing with a nod to Smith, who he finally caught, as he tries to move ahead with 7. 2 CoachWrestling and littlepun reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nom 1,186 Report post Posted November 26, 2021 The last paragraph makes it clear that while John set the bar, JB has surpassed it. Now to see who will surpass the bars they each set. He is being tactful, but he is getting across that he has reached the bar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BAC 237 Report post Posted November 26, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, nom said: The last paragraph makes it clear that while John set the bar, JB has surpassed it. Now to see who will surpass the bars they each set. He is being tactful, but he is getting across that he has reached the bar. Your first sentence says he thinks he “surpassed” the bar but your second sentence says he thinks he “reached” it. Those are different. I agree he is saying the latter, but not the former. Where does he say he surpassed Smith? Yes he says “I” in the last couple sentences but the context of the post is all about Smith as GOAT, and a smattering of JB’s effort to match his 6 golds. At most JB is considering himself a co-GOAT with 6 golds. Or maybe he isn’t going to GOAT-land at all, and just referring to himself as joining Smith at the 6-gold-medal perch. Neither is the same as declaring himself the “new” GOAT. Either way, your original comment and titling of the thread are pretty accusatory, and I would have thought you would base that on more than just a very cynical spin on one of his IG posts. Edited November 26, 2021 by BAC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boconnell 1,623 Report post Posted November 26, 2021 1 hour ago, BAC said: I think you guys are misreading the post. The first paragraph is not referring to himself as the GOAT. It’s referring only to John Smith. Pretty much the whole post is an ode to Smith, which makes the context of that first paragraph more clear. He only brings himself into it at the end, but only in the context of finally catching Smith’s 6. He doesn’t try to claim he surpassed him (though JB’s bronzes give him fodder for the argument), and makes a point to mention that Smith’s were consecutive. “onto7” he says at the end, as if to drive home the point that is is pausing with a nod to Smith, who he finally caught, as he tries to move ahead with 7. I think you're the one misreading it. He says the bar isn't standing. He also says there may be another 4 year old who will pass him (like he passed the previous GOAT). You can argue for or against JB as the GOAT. I think he's got a great argument. You can argue for or against a social media post declaring yourself the greatest. But if you are reading that post and arguing that he isn't saying he is the greatest, then you are trying hard to convince yourself of something. 1 wrestlingnerd reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BAC 237 Report post Posted November 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, boconnell said: I think you're the one misreading it. He says the bar isn't standing. He also says there may be another 4 year old who will pass him (like he passed the previous GOAT). You can argue for or against JB as the GOAT. I think he's got a great argument. You can argue for or against a social media post declaring yourself the greatest. But if you are reading that post and arguing that he isn't saying he is the greatest, then you are trying hard to convince yourself of something. Lol now you are misreading MY post. Clearly he is saying he equaled Smith, at least his 6 golds. And yes, he says the bar isn’t standing, as in he plans to get 7 (and some kid may pass them both). But he isn’t saying he passed the bar now, only that he arrived at it. You guys really need to reread it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nom 1,186 Report post Posted November 26, 2021 Ok, so at most he is saying he is co GOAT. At the same time he is Clearly saying he has equaled. So he is calling himself the GOAT. Thanks BAC. No need to further tie yourself in knots. LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 2,034 Report post Posted November 26, 2021 Mountain, meet molehill 3 headshuck, Elevator and JasonBryant reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lunaticfringe 100 Report post Posted November 26, 2021 Why is he holding a round globe when the earth is flat? Can’t take this Jabroni serious anymore 1 Major Kong reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 2,045 Report post Posted November 26, 2021 52 minutes ago, Lunaticfringe said: Why is he holding a round globe when the earth is flat? Can’t take this Jabroni serious anymore That's more Dake-ish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
de4856 370 Report post Posted November 26, 2021 Well, perhaps JB has passed John Smith, but there is still Baumgartner with his 13 World and Olympic medals, to me he’s the GOAT. 1 1 Lunaticfringe and hammerlockthree reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie 1,076 Report post Posted November 26, 2021 (edited) I’m literally the biggest JB fan of all time. I was telling people he was special before he won his first world title. But this post seems like he’s just trying to come up with content for his Instagram feed. Which is fine. It helps pay the bills, I assume. Edited November 26, 2021 by Katie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,584 Report post Posted November 26, 2021 20 minutes ago, de4856 said: Well, perhaps JB has passed John Smith, but there is still Baumgartner with his 13 World and Olympic medals, to me he’s the GOAT. Exactly what I was going to post, he's outflanked somewhere. Quote.url Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BTC 107 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 An example of recency bias if there ever was one. Without that second olympic gold he will never surpass Smith. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingphish 1,023 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 1 hour ago, BTC said: An example of recency bias if there ever was one. Without that second olympic gold he will never surpass Smith. Or is your need for a second Olympic gold confirmation bias since you value olympic gold over world gold even though worlds has more participants and the post USSR world has changed the landscape entirely. If Burroughs had won in 16, would you say Smith is better anyway since they were consecutive? 1 littlepun reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BTC 107 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, wrestlingphish said: Or is your need for a second Olympic gold confirmation bias since you value olympic gold over world gold even though worlds has more participants and the post USSR world has changed the landscape entirely. If Burroughs had won in 16, would you say Smith is better anyway since they were consecutive? Almost everyone in the wrestling world places an olympic gold over a world gold. Shoot, everyone in the sports world values an Olympic gold over a world gold. Worlds may have more participants but they don't always have the best guys competing. The Olympics always draw the top talent. Smith won his last oly gold in 92 which was after the USSR was disbanded. If Burroughs won in 16 then that would imo be enough to place him over Smith. However something has to be said for being the absolute best in the world for 6 years straight. You can't say the same for JB. Edited November 27, 2021 by BTC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AnklePicker 643 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 JB had way deeper competition and Smith lost a match in there. JB has just as many golds and additional medals. I know Bruce has more medals but there just aren’t that many big dudes wrestling. The depth is substantially lower than 74kg. Great argument, love them all! 2 Elevator and Relentless125 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu1979 558 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 1 hour ago, BTC said: Smith won his last oly gold in 92 which was after the USSR was disbanded. You are either being disingenuous with this statement or aren't very knowledgeable about wrestling in the 92 Olympics. Yes the USSR had disbanded prior to 1992 but the team competed as one Unified team. The separate teams from the ex Soviet republics did not compete separately until the 1996 Olympics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,584 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 Burroughs needs another gold. You can't capture goat status at the Sorta Worlds... 1 Mr. Poopy butthole reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Poopy butthole 307 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) To each their own but making a post about how great you are makes me cringe a little. Compared to what some MMA/NFL/NBA players post and say, JB's was very classy at least Edited November 27, 2021 by Mr. Poopy butthole 1 RED reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,584 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mr. Poopy butthole said: To each their own but making a post about how great you are makes me cringe a little. Compared to what some MMA/NFL/NBA players post and say, JB's was very classy at least Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boconnell 1,623 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 14 hours ago, AnklePicker said: JB had way deeper competition and Smith lost a match in there. JB has just as many golds and additional medals. I know Bruce has more medals but there just aren’t that many big dudes wrestling. The depth is substantially lower than 74kg. Great argument, love them all! Smith did lose a match in there. JB lost 5 in there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmm53 610 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 A beautiful woman doesn't have to inform others that she is beautiful. A supremely talented artist, a great writer or poet, a gifted musician, and a scientist or mathematician in possession (and display) of genius generally don't need to proclaim their worth to the world. And yet it often seems the fragile egos of high-achieving athletes are in constant need of preening, massaging, and self-promotion, especially sprinters, boxers, and basketball players, among multiple others. We might each draw our conclusions from these broad truths. (Sometimes: alliseeisego) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites