let's guess how long Spencer Lee can be inactive and stay #1...

[Lurker 2,033]

Another one of these. 
 

chuckles upon chuckles 

[unbiased 516]

Wiki has Stieber at 119-3

Spencer is at 75-5

Stieber had better competition overall.

I don't see Spencer above Stieber unless he comes back this weekend and goes undefeated.

[ionel 2,429]

6 minutes ago, unbiased said:

Wiki has Stieber at 119-3

Spencer is at 75-5

Stieber had better competition overall.

I don't see Spencer above Stieber unless he comes back this weekend and goes undefeated.

since you are unbiased, don't forget the pin

[jchapman 1,317]

17 minutes ago, unbiased said:

Wiki has Stieber at 119-3

Spencer is at 75-5

Stieber had better competition overall.

I don't see Spencer above Stieber unless he comes back this weekend and goes undefeated.

Don't forget the three losses Stieber had as a varsity wrestler before breaking his hand before wiping that season off his tOSU stats.

[NJDan 1,058]

1 hour ago, jchapman said:

Stieber had 6 losses in his career at tOSU, if Lee goes undefeated this season he would have 5 career losses.

What if Lee becomes a 5-timer, which, I gather, is possible?

[Mr. Poopy butthole 307]

25 minutes ago, NJDan said:

What if Lee becomes a 5-timer, which, I gather, is possible?

It's not

[ionel 2,429]

36 minutes ago, NJDan said:

What if Lee becomes a 5-timer, which, I gather, is possible?

Then he'd be the 5 timer with the worst record.  

[bnwtwg 995]

3 hours ago, TBar1977 said:

Combined with his numerous L's, this will place him at the absolute very bottom of the pack of 4 timers. Still a great wrestler, but the others would have to be higher for sure. 

If it happens, then based on folkstyle only:

Tier 1: Cael

Tier 2: Dake

Tier 3:

Lee, Steiber, Smith in that order. 

Lee (5 losses) narrowly, and I do mean   n a r r o w l y   edges out Steiber (3 losses). Lee has been pinned but to me the 2x Hodge tips the scales in his favor. Pat Smith had 5 losses and a tie, but never dominated the field in the same manner as Lee or Steiber.

[unbiased 516]

1 hour ago, jchapman said:

Don't forget the three losses Stieber had as a varsity wrestler before breaking his hand before wiping that season off his tOSU stats.

I remember them but they don't count officially.

[ShakaAloha 416]

36 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

If it happens, then based on folkstyle only:

Tier 1: Cael

Tier 2: Dake

Tier 3:

Lee, Steiber, Smith in that order. 

Lee (5 losses) narrowly, and I do mean   n a r r o w l y   edges out Steiber (3 losses). Lee has been pinned but to me the 2x Hodge tips the scales in his favor. Pat Smith had 5 losses and a tie, but never dominated the field in the same manner as Lee or Steiber.

I would have Steiber higher due to his international freestyle career, but agree with everything else you said.

[wrestlingphish 1,011]

1 minute ago, ShakaAloha said:

I would have Steiber higher due to his international freestyle career, but agree with everything else you said.

So he gets credits for things he did after college? 

[ShakaAloha 416]

3 minutes ago, wrestlingphish said:

So he gets credits for things he did after college? 

Posters here are giving SL credit for winning 2 Hodge trophies, which is an arbitrary media award, as a tiebreaker with LS.  At least international accomplishments are won on the mat.

[ionel 2,429]

48 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

If it happens, then based on folkstyle only:

Tier 1: Cael

Tier 2: Dake

Tier 3:

Lee, Steiber, Smith in that order. 

Lee (5 losses) narrowly, and I do mean   n a r r o w l y   edges out Steiber (3 losses). Lee has been pinned but to me the 2x Hodge tips the scales in his favor. Pat Smith had 5 losses and a tie, but never dominated the field in the same manner as Lee or Steiber.

Pretty sure Steiber got beat in the finals so he can't be ahead of Smith.  

[wrestlingphish 1,011]

10 minutes ago, ShakaAloha said:

Posters here are giving SL credit for winning 2 Hodge trophies, which is an arbitrary media award, as a tiebreaker with LS.  At least international accomplishments are won on the mat.

Alright then Spencer has two world titles and a US Senior Nationals title all before using up his eligibility. 

[Crotalus 592]

Rankers need to take a stand.  If don’t wrestle in November and don’t wrestle in December then you aren’t in the rankings.  Period.  Hell, I’d prefer just going by November but I’m being soft.
How many would rank a college football team Oct 1 that didn’t play a game in August or September while the other teams did play.  

What would that accomplish? If he wrestles his first match in January, do you then ignore all past accomplishments and make him work his way back up the rankings, or rank him where he would have been had he never been dropped? Coach's poll is what is going to matter for seeding, not any of the other rankings, so it seems pointless to remove him as though it is some sort of punishment.

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[jchapman 1,317]

1 hour ago, unbiased said:

I remember them but they don't count officially.

They counted until they didn't.

[hammerlockthree 2,581]

Doesn't Stieber get the edge on competition?  Excluding his true freshmen campaign (I'm not saying thats fair as a point of argument I'm just making sure I have the story straight) he only lost to Oliver, Retherford and who else?

Lee's biggest wins aren't that great Suriano, Tomasello......whom am I missing?

[wrestlingphish 1,011]

33 minutes ago, hammerlockthree said:

Doesn't Stieber get the edge on competition?  Excluding his true freshmen campaign (I'm not saying thats fair as a point of argument I'm just making sure I have the story straight) he only lost to Oliver, Retherford and who else?

Lee's biggest wins aren't that great Suriano, Tomasello......whom am I missing?

Suriano and Tomasello aren’t multiple time champs because Spencer Lee beat them to win his. 

[Mr. Poopy butthole 307]

45 minutes ago, hammerlockthree said:

Doesn't Stieber get the edge on competition?  Excluding his true freshmen campaign (I'm not saying thats fair as a point of argument I'm just making sure I have the story straight) he only lost to Oliver, Retherford and who else?

Lee's biggest wins aren't that great Suriano, Tomasello......whom am I missing?

folk: Rivera, Mueller, Glory, Picc.

free: Vito, NaTo, Cruz (not a great win, been giving off gatekeeper vibes for awhile now), Sanders (who pinned a world champ!)

Your point stands though. Lee's wins don't stand up to Stieber's best, who beat 3 exceptionally good wrestlers in Oliver, Ramos, and Zane (albeit true freshman noodle arms Zane)

[hammerlockthree 2,581]

43 minutes ago, wrestlingphish said:

Suriano and Tomasello aren’t multiple time champs because Spencer Lee beat them to win his. 

Thats a silly perspective, but NCAA champs Devin Carter and Mitchell Port will be thrilled to hear it.

[hammerlockthree 2,581]

49 minutes ago, wrestlingphish said:

Suriano and Tomasello aren’t multiple time champs because Spencer Lee beat them to win his. 

btw, how were Suriano and Tomasello supposed to win the same weight in the same year?

[CoachWrestling 425]

39 minutes ago, Mr. Poopy butthole said:

Your point stands though. Lee's wins don't stand up to Stieber's best, who beat 3 exceptionally good wrestlers in Oliver, Ramos, and Zane (albeit true freshman noodle arms Zane)

That was before Zane had triceps. 

[hammerlockthree 2,581]

When comparing wrestlers creds, i often like to take a step back and evaluate by style. Even though they are both obviously freaks, if I had to call one  "just" a freak it would be stieber. Lee has unbelieveable handfighting skills, its so clean you almost want to take the word "fighting" out of it, stieber sometimes looked like he was just diving in and using his freaky strength to gut out finishes no one else could. 

Three other things that don't really belong in the "career vs career" discussion, I'd say Stieber is tougher, but Lee gets knods for not redshirting, and obviously competing hurt. 

[wrestlingphish 1,011]

34 minutes ago, hammerlockthree said:

btw, how were Suriano and Tomasello supposed to win the same weight in the same year?

Time is a flat circle my guy.

Whoops, got my timeline wrong. 

[powershouse 106]

Has anyone considered maybe he's had his heart broken? What's a snapped knee ligament or two when your heart's been ripped out and stomped on by some Tri-Delt coed who let you buy her a few drinks at the Airliner before being whisked away by an Iowa basketball player who's taller than 5'5. Iowa City's a small town and these things take time to get over, people.

At least it wasn’t some itinerant roofer with a stabbin cabin