1032004 1,452 Report post Posted December 14, 2021 22 minutes ago, wrestlingphish said: Keep in mind Taylor is married to Jimmy Kennedy's sister and Jimmy lost his job at Northwestern for refusal to take the vaccine. If you look at the father of the Kennedys Twitter it’s pretty clear where their family stands on this. True, although it’s not unheard of for husbands/wives or fathers/daughters to have differing opinions on this… Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingphish 1,029 Report post Posted December 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, 1032004 said: True, although it’s not unheard of for husbands/wives or fathers/daughters to have differing opinions on this… Yeah but there is plenty of evidence that's not the case here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNotQuietly 1,175 Report post Posted December 14, 2021 Debating vaccines at this point seems like a fool's errand, but this is the best source of information which I have found for those who are interested: https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/ 1 HurricaneWrestling2 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Parrish 289 Report post Posted December 14, 2021 The underlying point is that if you want to compete for USAWrestling, you're going to need to be fully vaccinated or have a religious or medical exemption. I suspect that these exemptions will require rigorous documentation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 2,039 Report post Posted December 14, 2021 50 minutes ago, Mike Parrish said: The underlying point is that if you want to compete for USAWrestling, you're going to need to be fully vaccinated or have a religious or medical exemption. I suspect that these exemptions will require rigorous documentation. Truth /\ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billyhoyle 2,479 Report post Posted December 14, 2021 3 hours ago, dman115 said: Do you?? Show any DATA that indicates "world class athletes aren't getting vaccinated and thus are dying and causing other people to die". And if someone has a PhD and/or MD after their name you should listen to them, and their opinion becomes "science" and/or "data"??? Are they all saying the same thing? So ridiculous when people say these things. I’m not saying get in an argument with me or listen to me. I’m saying take the advice of your physician and don’t expect to be able to fully understand science if you don’t have medical or scientific training. We all have doctors that we trust to treat our other illnesses without having a full understanding (maybe you are luckier than I am and don’t have medical problems)-why should this be any different. 1 dman115 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNotQuietly 1,175 Report post Posted December 14, 2021 Medical exemptions normally require physician sign off.Tough to make the case for religious exemption when almost all major religions have said the vaccines are okay and many have said they are the morally correct act. Not imposible if “sincerely held” though.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lunaticfringe 103 Report post Posted December 14, 2021 My uncle is a priest and will do a religious exemption letter for anyone for a small church donation. I have no issue with people getting a exemption if they are anti vaxx across the board, don’t take medicine, never had polio vaccines and so on but in 99% of the cases these people have taken all the other vaccines and are cherry picking this particular one and making it political. 1 GoNotQuietly reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Parrish 289 Report post Posted December 14, 2021 Good luck getting an exemption if this regulation is in any way related to the USOPC trying to keep their insurance carrier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mspart 270 Report post Posted December 14, 2021 In response to my questions regarding the mandate, someone said we should take the advice of doctors. There is disagreement among doctors even. But taking advice is an indivudual responsibility. President Biden said it best when he said we are running out of patience with you anti-vaxxers so we are going to lay out mandates. I'm not trying to bring politics here, but that is history and truth. The mandate is not rooted in science. Statistically speaking, high level athletes can get covid but should not have much of in the way of severe symptoms. Covid strikes those with compromised immune systems and those with other comorbidities. Applying a vaccine mandate to a whole population is not a method based on the statistics of the malady, the science if you will. That is my point. In fact, the science is showing us that getting vaccinated does not prevent infection or spreading of the disease. And the science shows us that the covid vaccines run their course in a matter of months. So boosters are needed and may be mandated. If the vaccines were a cure and would really end covid, then I might think differently. Science has shown that is not the case and covid will not be vanquished. Coronavirus (cold, flu, etc) has a very long history of evading permanent vaccines. Covid is just a new strain of Coronavirus. There are pills being evaluated by FDA that will ward off hospitalizations and deaths and are a game changer with covid. So vaccine mandates are not really necessary when this comes on the market. But again, the statistics show who is at risk and it isn't elite athletes who should not have any comorbidities. If they do, they might want to get vaccinated. mspart 1 dman115 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 2,069 Report post Posted December 14, 2021 27 minutes ago, mspart said: In response to my questions regarding the mandate, someone said we should take the advice of doctors. There is disagreement among doctors even. But taking advice is an indivudual responsibility. President Biden said it best when he said we are running out of patience with you anti-vaxxers so we are going to lay out mandates. I'm not trying to bring politics here, but that is history and truth. The mandate is not rooted in science. Statistically speaking, high level athletes can get covid but should not have much of in the way of severe symptoms. Covid strikes those with compromised immune systems and those with other comorbidities. Applying a vaccine mandate to a whole population is not a method based on the statistics of the malady, the science if you will. That is my point. In fact, the science is showing us that getting vaccinated does not prevent infection or spreading of the disease. And the science shows us that the covid vaccines run their course in a matter of months. So boosters are needed and may be mandated. If the vaccines were a cure and would really end covid, then I might think differently. Science has shown that is not the case and covid will not be vanquished. Coronavirus (cold, flu, etc) has a very long history of evading permanent vaccines. Covid is just a new strain of Coronavirus. There are pills being evaluated by FDA that will ward off hospitalizations and deaths and are a game changer with covid. So vaccine mandates are not really necessary when this comes on the market. But again, the statistics show who is at risk and it isn't elite athletes who should not have any comorbidities. If they do, they might want to get vaccinated. mspart They're a game changer once you've already gotten covid. Ands for those that oppose vaccines because of not knowing what's in them- what's in this new drug that doesn't yet even have an emergency authorization? And of course not all doctors agree on anything but the percentage of relevant and reputable doctors/scientists is ridiculously on one side. Taking advice might be an individual thing, but resisting advice in this case is just plain dumb. The only reason for mandates is because too many people are not taking the vaccine for no good reason. "Freedom" is also the ability to take good advice and do the right thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted December 14, 2021 follow the money people... who is making over the top profits during this "pandemic"? what ultimately sets policy? this is a story as old as time... $$$$ 2 dman115 and cjc007 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Le duke 414 Report post Posted December 14, 2021 follow the money people... who is making over the top profits during this "pandemic"? what ultimately sets policy? this is a story as old as time... $$$$Amazon?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 2,069 Report post Posted December 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, LJB said: follow the money people... who is making over the top profits during this "pandemic"? what ultimately sets policy? this is a story as old as time... $$$$ It's costs less to vaccinate everyone than to hospitalize a percentage. 1 Mike Parrish reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted December 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, gimpeltf said: It's costs less to vaccinate everyone than to hospitalize a percentage. why you are worried about costs the real policy makers are going scrooge mcduck and loving how easy it is... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 2,069 Report post Posted December 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, LJB said: why you are worried about costs the real policy makers are going scrooge mcduck and loving how easy it is... You brought up the subject, not me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted December 14, 2021 Just now, gimpeltf said: You brought up the subject, not me. ha... you play the role they gave you... they count on people like you... don't disappoint!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Parrish 289 Report post Posted December 14, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, mspart said: In fact, the science is showing us that getting vaccinated does not prevent infection or spreading of the disease. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html Quote COVID-19 vaccines are effective at protecting people from COVID-19 and help keep adults and children from getting seriously sick. COVID-19 vaccines can reduce the risk of people spreading the virus that causes COVID-19. Flatly contradicted by the CDC and all reputable research. Edited December 14, 2021 by Mike Parrish ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted December 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mike Parrish said: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html Flatly contradicted by the CDC and all reputable research. this made me giggle... **two thumbs up** 2 TobyMcNugget and cjc007 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Parrish 289 Report post Posted December 14, 2021 9 minutes ago, LJB said: this made me giggle... **two thumbs up** I don't count people like Simone Gold who insist that all medical maladies are the due to dream based sex with ghosts and demons. Look on Cell, Lancet, JAMA, NEJM, and other professional medical journals. That kind of reputable research. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1032004 1,452 Report post Posted December 15, 2021 3 hours ago, LJB said: follow the money people... who is making over the top profits during this "pandemic"? lots of people/companies on both sides of the debate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Parrish 289 Report post Posted December 15, 2021 3 hours ago, LJB said: follow the money people... who is making over the top profits during this "pandemic"? what ultimately sets policy? Instead of doing this QAnon-curious style of ambiguous "question asking", why don't you just lay it all out for the rest of us dummies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cu155 32 Report post Posted December 15, 2021 On 12/13/2021 at 9:24 AM, Lunaticfringe said: So I would guess this means no more Gilman, Dake, Burroughs, Taylor, Snyder, Nickal, Tomasello, Nolf and obviously Dean. Anyone from Penn St and Ohio St, probably missing others I'm pretty sure in one of various videos showing training/day in the life at the RTC (pre Olympics) that Dake commented he was vaccinated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 2,039 Report post Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) I think people often mistake someone’s stance on vaccine mandates with their personal choice on being vaccinated. For example, I’d like to see everyone vaccinated. But I strongly believe the govt should NOT mandate it on people or private business. However if I came out and said that, most people would assume I’m against vaccination. I believe a private business has every right to required vaccination. It IS NOT at all a violation of your rights or freedom. But I don’t believe the govt should mandate any private business require vaccinations. Edited December 15, 2021 by Lurker 2 dman115 and Lunaticfringe reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Parrish 289 Report post Posted December 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, Lurker said: I think people often mistake someone’s stance on vaccine mandates with their personal choice on being vaccinated. For example, I’d like to see everyone vaccinated. But I strongly believe the govt should NOT mandate it on people or private business. However if I came out and said that, most people would assume I’m against vaccination. I believe a private business has every right to required vaccination. It IS NOT at all a violation of your rights or freedom. But I don’t believe the govt should mandate any private business require vaccinations. SCOTUS has disagreed repeatedly. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/09/08/vaccine-mandate-strong-supreme-court-precedent-510280 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
