NJDan 1,077 Report post Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) There are some loud and prominent anti-vaxxers in the wrestling community. But are they representative? Is there any data on what percentage of NCAA wrestlers are vaccinated. Among freestyle wrestlers, is there any mandate to be vaccinated in order to compete? Edited December 18, 2021 by NJDan 1 red blades reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CoachWrestling 432 Report post Posted December 18, 2021 Wrestlers certainly have perseverance and other positive qualities, but intelligence seems to be lacking. 3 1 buckshot1969, Frank_Rizzo, Waxpacks and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mphillips 1,733 Report post Posted December 18, 2021 FFS! Come on NJSD...this info couldn't be gleaned from the other numerous threads about vaccines/wrestlers? 1 1 potentiallydangerous and scribe reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJDan 1,077 Report post Posted December 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Mphillips said: FFS! Come on NJSD...this info couldn't be gleaned from the other numerous threads about vaccines/wrestlers? Actually, no. I believe from this advisory that there is no vaccine mandate. https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/general-new-covid-19-guidance-for-fall-sports-released. I have seen no data on vaccination rates. I assume you don't know either, so you don't say. I know that Dake competed internationally this past summer. It seems he is anyi-vax, but it's not entirely clear. Also, maybe the rules have changed since then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mphillips 1,733 Report post Posted December 18, 2021 1 minute ago, NJDan said: Actually, no. I believe from this advisory that there is no vaccine mandate. https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/general-new-covid-19-guidance-for-fall-sports-released. I have seen no data on vaccination rates. I assume you don't know either, so you don't say. I know that Dake competed internationally this past summer. It seems he is anyi-vax, but it's not entirely clear. Also, maybe the rules have changed since then. I know for certain that there wasn't a reason for another thread relating to it. It's Cinnabonish... 1 2 scribe, potentiallydangerous and HurricaneWrestling2 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Idaho 1,344 Report post Posted December 18, 2021 26 minutes ago, Mphillips said: FFS! Come on NJSD...this info couldn't be gleaned from the other numerous threads about vaccines/wrestlers? Someone always has to up someone on the vaccine moral high ground... well at least we know they won't be getting the JJ vaccine now...Remember when that was a conspiracy theory? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJDan 1,077 Report post Posted December 18, 2021 It's not so easy to discern. But it looks like Cornell and Harvard have vax mandates. Both still have seen omnicon cases on campus. Penn State has a mandate for staff, but not students. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TripNSweep 763 Report post Posted December 18, 2021 ASU made vaccines mandatory. Their starting punter transferred to Oklahoma over it. 1 gallison reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJDan 1,077 Report post Posted December 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, TripNSweep said: ASU made vaccines mandatory. Their starting punter transferred to Oklahoma over it. Their punter! Ha! 1 gallison reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Parrish 289 Report post Posted December 18, 2021 1 hour ago, NJDan said: Among freestyle wrestlers, is there any mandate to be vaccinated in order to compete? USOPC has made their mandate clear. USAW will follow them. WTT are in May 2022. https://www.teamusa.org/usa-wrestling/team-usa/team-selection-criteria If you aren't vaccinated or have an exemption, you can't compete. US Open is in April and the winner gets the #1 seed at WTT. Again, if you aren't vaccinated, you can't compete. There's a lot of posturing going on right now, but I don't see any way the USOPC/USAW are going to be persuaded to change the requirements. 1 NJDan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wrestleknownothing 1,503 Report post Posted December 18, 2021 2 hours ago, NJDan said: Actually, no. I believe from this advisory that there is no vaccine mandate. https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/general-new-covid-19-guidance-for-fall-sports-released. I have seen no data on vaccination rates. I assume you don't know either, so you don't say. I know that Dake competed internationally this past summer. It seems he is anyi-vax, but it's not entirely clear. Also, maybe the rules have changed since then. I think you are confused. You asked if there was a mandate for freestyle and then you post an NCAA link to support your belief there isn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJDan 1,077 Report post Posted December 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: I think you are confused. You asked if there was a mandate for freestyle and then you post an NCAA link to support your belief there isn't. I was not denying a freestyle mandate. I was noting how a universities' policies, which would, of course, apply to their wrestlers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJDan 1,077 Report post Posted December 18, 2021 49 minutes ago, Mike Parrish said: USOPC has made their mandate clear. USAW will follow them. WTT are in May 2022. https://www.teamusa.org/usa-wrestling/team-usa/team-selection-criteria If you aren't vaccinated or have an exemption, you can't compete. US Open is in April and the winner gets the #1 seed at WTT. Again, if you aren't vaccinated, you can't compete. There's a lot of posturing going on right now, but I don't see any way the USOPC/USAW are going to be persuaded to change the requirements. Thanks. This makes the anti-vax wrestlers seem odder still. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,533 Report post Posted December 18, 2021 IBTL Rinse and Repeat IBTL Rinse and Repeat IBTL Rinse and Repeat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ionel 2,544 Report post Posted December 18, 2021 56 minutes ago, NJDan said: Thanks. This makes the anti-vax wrestlers seem odder still. Please define "anti-vaxer." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mphillips 1,733 Report post Posted December 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said: I think you are confused. Your post could have ended right there. : -) 2 Wrestleknownothing and Husker_Du reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vegetable lasagna 9 Report post Posted December 18, 2021 Really wish the vaccine fanatics here would give it a rest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 2,257 Report post Posted December 18, 2021 In the event a host country has a vaccination requirement? Vaccinations are easy to forge. Actually, remarkably easy. It is a cottage industry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreatWhiteNorth 535 Report post Posted December 18, 2021 3 hours ago, vegetable lasagna said: Really wish the vaccine fanatics here would give it a rest ... and the pro-vaxers wish the anti-vaxers would give it a rest, too. Thus, the never-ending squabble that "I'm right and you're wrong" from both sides. It really is a pathetic state of affairs with so many self-righteous people acting as if they know what they don't know. Unable to agree to disagree, practice tolerance and find common ground. Vaccines could be the solution that will eventually wrestle Covid into submission - or vaccines could eventually cause widespread serious medical problems that eventually end the human race. Or somewhere in between, we don't really know. The only real moral high ground is to admit that we don't know and that working together, instead of against one another, is the best course of action. ... or just keep squabbling like children. That's more likely. Quote “A people who cannot talk or listen to each other, who do not respect each other, who will not sincerely consider the thoughts of each other, who do not trust each other and who cannot reason with each other, cannot long live in freedom” - Marc Racicot (R) Former Montana Gov. Marc Racicot warns republic is at risk | AP News 1 Mike Parrish reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buckshot1969 579 Report post Posted December 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, GreatWhiteNorth said: ... and the pro-vaxers wish the anti-vaxers would give it a rest, too. Thus, the never-ending squabble that "I'm right and you're wrong" from both sides. It really is a pathetic state of affairs with so many self-righteous people acting as if they know what they don't know. Unable to agree to disagree, practice tolerance and find common ground. Vaccines could be the solution that will eventually wrestle Covid into submission - or vaccines could eventually cause widespread serious medical problems that eventually end the human race. Or somewhere in between, we don't really know. The only real moral high ground is to admit that we don't know and that working together, instead of against one another, is the best course of action. ... or just keep squabbling like children. That's more likely. People who get the vaccine and want others to aren't "self-righteous", they're being logical. Every day over 1,000 Americans die from covid and less than .00000000000000000000000000001 die from the vaccine. Of the over 1,000 who die from covid almost all are unvaccinated. Pro vaccine people also look around and notice that polio and smallpox aren't a thing because of vaccinations. We want our lives to go back to normal but that's not possible because a bunch of people who can barely spell "vaccine" are doing their own research on their safety. I've literally had a gym teacher tell me that after doing their research they didn't think it was safe. The contents of the Pfizer vaccine include different lipids, these are the ones: The following lipids are in the new COVID vaccine. Their main role is to protect the mRNA and provide somewhat of a “greasy” exterior that helps the mRNA slide inside the cells. ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis (2-hexyldecanoate), 2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide 1,2-Distearoyl-snglycero-3- phosphocholine cholesterol In the unlikely case they even know what lipids are what are the chances they know anything about these specific ones? How likely is it that "their research" is anything more than reading a FB post or watching a Youtube video full of false information? 7 Waxpacks, BerniePragle, whaletail and 4 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billyhoyle 2,480 Report post Posted December 18, 2021 How is Kyle Dake allowed on Cornell’s campus? Is there a chance he moves because of their mandate? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreatWhiteNorth 535 Report post Posted December 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, buckshot1969 said: People who get the vaccine and want others to aren't "self-righteous", they're being logical. Every day over 1,000 Americans die from covid and less than .00000000000000000000000000001 die from the vaccine. Of the over 1,000 who die from covid almost all are unvaccinated. Pro vaccine people also look around and notice that polio and smallpox aren't a thing because of vaccinations. We want our lives to go back to normal but that's not possible because a bunch of people who can barely spell "vaccine" are doing their own research on their safety. I've literally had a gym teacher tell me that after doing their research they didn't think it was safe. The contents of the Pfizer vaccine include different lipids, these are the ones: The following lipids are in the new COVID vaccine. Their main role is to protect the mRNA and provide somewhat of a “greasy” exterior that helps the mRNA slide inside the cells. ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis (2-hexyldecanoate), 2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide 1,2-Distearoyl-snglycero-3- phosphocholine cholesterol In the unlikely case they even know what lipids are what are the chances they know anything about these specific ones? How likely is it that "their research" is anything more than reading a FB post or watching a Youtube video full of false information? Not everyone who gets the vaccine is self-righteous, nor is everyone who doesn't get the vaccine self-righteous. Those are things I didn't say. What I did say is that we have self-righteous people (both pro and anti) who refuse to participate in logical discussion because they prefer to squabble over their pointless stand. As to your post - seems entirely reasonable. Someone who isn't a trained medical professional who thinks they can scour the internet to do "their own research" and somehow come up with a better answer than the world's best medical minds is delusional. The world is becoming increasingly complex, and we simply need to rely on experts - which does require some level of trust. Most of us can't engineer buildings and bridges, design-build-repair modern vehicles, design-build computers or phones, perform dental or medical procedures, or a very long list of other things that require specialized training and expertise. We can certainly question the experts, but it would be foolish to dismiss them based on random internet references or conspiracy theories. 1 BerniePragle reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ionel 2,544 Report post Posted December 19, 2021 24 minutes ago, Billyhoyle said: How is Kyle Dake allowed on Cornell’s campus? Is there a chance he moves because of their mandate? Is he a professor now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cu155 32 Report post Posted December 19, 2021 52 minutes ago, Billyhoyle said: How is Kyle Dake allowed on Cornell’s campus? Is there a chance he moves because of their mandate? Where is the whole Kyle Dake is unvaccinated trope even coming from? He's said at least once on video that he's had the vaccine. If he's said otherwise somewhere else I've missed it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Idaho 1,344 Report post Posted December 19, 2021 27 minutes ago, GreatWhiteNorth said: Not everyone who gets the vaccine is self-righteous, nor is everyone who doesn't get the vaccine self-righteous. Those are things I didn't say. What I did say is that we have self-righteous people (both pro and anti) who refuse to participate in logical discussion because they prefer to squabble over their pointless stand. As to your post - seems entirely reasonable. Someone who isn't a trained medical professional who thinks they can scour the internet to do "their own research" and somehow come up with a better answer than the world's best medical minds is delusional. The world is becoming increasingly complex, and we simply need to rely on experts - which does require some level of trust. Most of us can't engineer buildings and bridges, design-build-repair modern vehicles, design-build computers or phones, perform dental or medical procedures, or a very long list of other things that require specialized training and expertise. We can certainly question the experts, but it would be foolish to dismiss them based on random internet references or conspiracy theories. Do you consider Fauci one of "the world's best medical minds?{ Sometimes even the best medical minds in the world are not correct - 8 mos ago JJ was the best thing since sliced pie according to the CDC and FDA - This week they both warned to not use JJ. You are correct...it requires who you put your trust in. 1 cjc007 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites