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2 minutes ago, Mokoma said:

No, he specifically is looking for college wrestlers who have won or can win more titles in college than high school.  Start a new thread if you want international accolades to be what is important.

Why so picky. Merry Christmas.

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1 hour ago, Paul158 said:

Why so picky. Merry Christmas.

 

1 hour ago, Mokoma said:

I don’t know.  Ask the person who started the thread and made very specific requests.  
 

Also, this is the College board.  Keep it on subject.

If you want to engage in conversation that can alter course even slightly, get the hell out.

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1 hour ago, Mokoma said:

I don’t know.  Ask the person who started the thread and made very specific requests.  
 

Also, this is the College board.  Keep it on subject.

Excuse me. Are you the moderator on this board?

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31 minutes ago, NJDan said:

 

If you want to engage in conversation that can alter course even slightly, get the hell out.

How about you gtfo Old Man Rivers?  Take your meds yet?  What's it been... three... four months since you locked your caregiver (mom) in the basement?  I hope you've fed and watered her.

30 minutes ago, Paul158 said:

Excuse me. Are you the moderator on this board?

Yes.  Obviously.  Get with it and you'll be considerably more satisfied with life.  Probably.

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Kyle Dake 2 NYS Div 2 championships, 4 NCAA championships.
One NYS championship by pin, one by 2-1 decision as a senior.   In his defense though, another of the sections in NYS (5, Rochester/Finger Lakes) had 3 or 4 absolute hammers around his weight classes every year.
 

Edited by BerniePragle

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On 12/23/2021 at 7:44 PM, RichB said:

PIAA did not have a state championship until 1938, so any state champ from Pa before 1940.

John  Fritz, Matt Reiss in the 1970s and beyond.

I think NY did not have a State championship until the 1970's before hat it was called something like intersectional championship.

I think California was similar.

 

Appreciate the historical context, @RichB

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On 12/25/2021 at 6:08 AM, Paul158 said:

John Peterson probably wins the the trophy here. Ben Peterson  is probably a close second.Not sure if  john ever placed at state . NAIA  5th place. Gold and silver in Olympics Bronze and silver world. Ben 2nd in state. 2 Ncaa titles. Gold and silver in Olympics.

@Paul158, just catching up after Christmas. I wouldn't say John Peterson wins the trophy on any list that includes Bruce Baumgartner (who also never won a high school title), but I love the knowledge. Also, I am not sure why people got so salty about this one. You were correct that the general idea was "greater achievement at higher levels" even if the title was more specific than that. But, let's chalk the title up to my lack of creativity. My mother said I was a very literal child, so I ask four very literal questions when perhaps a single broader question would suffice. 

Also, I hope to have a list summarizing everything today.

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OK, so here is the compiled answers to questions #3 and #4, so far. I sorted by NCAA Titles, World Medals and then HS Titles. I put World Medals second in the sort in spite of the fact that I did not include that in my original questions/criteria, but it fits the broader context of better results at a more difficult level.

A couple observations:

  1. Baumgartner from zero High School titles to thirteen World Medals just doesn't seem possible, and yet here we are.
  2. Ed Ruth has the biggest spread from High School to NCAA with +3.
  3. While John William Smith won the same number of High School as NCAA titles I kept him on the list because of the World success. (So sue me.)
  4. John Peterson makes the list too. (The lawsuit grows.)
  5. I did not include the international wrestlers as High School titles are not a concept in their case. (More litigants.)
  6. I did not include the pre-High School championship era for the same reason as the international wrestlers. (The lawsuit can now be a class action.)

 

Wrestler HS Titles NCAA Titles World Medals
Kyle Dake 2 4 4
Pat Smith 3 4 0
Lee Kemp 2 3 3
Mark Schultz 1 3 3
Tom Brands 1 3 2
Greg Jones 1 3 0
Carlton Haselrig 1 3 0
Mark Churella 1 3 0
Ed Ruth  0 3 0
Jordan Burroughs 1 2 9
John William Smith 2 2 6
Chris Campbell 1 2 3
Ben Peterson 0 2 2
Jake Herbert 1 2 1
Stephen Neal 0 2 1
Gabe Dean 1 2 0
Ryan Bertin 1 2 0
Tony Nelson 1 2 0
Darryl Burley 1 2 0
Pat Milkovich 1 2 0
Dan St. John 0 2 0
Pat Santoro 0 2 0
Chuck Yagla 0 2 0
Bruce Baumgartner 0 1 13
Ron Jeidy 0 1 0
Keith Gavin 0 1 0
Brock Lesnar 0 1 0
Phil Davis 0 1 0
John Fritz 0 1 0
Matt Reiss 0 1 0
Russ Hellickson 1 0 3
John Peterson 0 0 2

 

Thank you one and all for creating this list.

I appreciate your efforts to make me know something (futile as they may be).

Edited by Wrestleknownothing
replaced World Titles with World Medals and added Pat Smith

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27 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

OK, so here is the compiled answers to questions #3 and #4, so far. I sorted by NCAA Titles, World Titles and then HS Titles. I put World Titles second in the sort in spite of the fact that I did not include that in my original questions/criteria, but it fits the broader context of better results at a more difficult level.

A couple observations:

  1. Baumgartner from zero High School titles to thirteen World Titles just doesn't seem possible, and yet here we are.
  2. Ed Ruth has the biggest spread from High School to NCAA with +3.
  3. While John William Smith won the same number of High School as NCAA titles I kept him on the list because of the World success. (So sue me.)
  4. John Peterson makes the list too. (The lawsuit grows.)
  5. I did not include the international wrestlers as High School titles are not a concept in their case. (More litigants.)
  6. I did not include the pre-High School championship era for the same reason as the international wrestlers. (The lawsuit can now be a class action.)

 

Wrestler HS Titles NCAA Titles World Titles
Kyle Dake 2 4 4
Lee Kemp 2 3 3
Mark Schultz 1 3 3
Tom Brands 1 3 2
Greg Jones 1 3 0
Carlton Haselrig 1 3 0
Mark Churella 1 3 0
Ed Ruth  0 3 0
Jordan Burroughs 1 2 9
John William Smith 2 2 6
Chris Campbell 1 2 3
Ben Peterson 0 2 2
Jake Herbert 1 2 1
Stephen Neal 0 2 1
Gabe Dean 1 2 0
Ryan Bertin 1 2 0
Tony Nelson 1 2 0
Darryl Burley 1 2 0
Pat Milkovich 1 2 0
Dan St. John 0 2 0
Pat Santoro 0 2 0
Chuck Yagla 0 2 0
Bruce Baumgartner 0 1 13
Ron Jeidy 0 1 0
Keith Gavin 0 1 0
Brock Lesnar 0 1 0
Phil Davis 0 1 0
John Fritz 0 1 0
Matt Reiss 0 1 0
Russ Hellickson 1 0 3
John Peterson 0 0 2

 

Thank you one and all for creating this list.

I appreciate your efforts to make me know something (futile as they may be).

Lets not forget Pat Smith 3XH.S titles 4X NCAA titles

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33 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

OK, so here is the compiled answers to questions #3 and #4, so far. I sorted by NCAA Titles, World Titles and then HS Titles. I put World Titles second in the sort in spite of the fact that I did not include that in my original questions/criteria, but it fits the broader context of better results at a more difficult level.

A couple observations:

  1. Baumgartner from zero High School titles to thirteen World Titles just doesn't seem possible, and yet here we are.
  2. Ed Ruth has the biggest spread from High School to NCAA with +3.
  3. While John William Smith won the same number of High School as NCAA titles I kept him on the list because of the World success. (So sue me.)
  4. John Peterson makes the list too. (The lawsuit grows.)
  5. I did not include the international wrestlers as High School titles are not a concept in their case. (More litigants.)
  6. I did not include the pre-High School championship era for the same reason as the international wrestlers. (The lawsuit can now be a class action.)

 

Wrestler HS Titles NCAA Titles World Titles
Kyle Dake 2 4 4
Lee Kemp 2 3 3
Mark Schultz 1 3 3
Tom Brands 1 3 2
Greg Jones 1 3 0
Carlton Haselrig 1 3 0
Mark Churella 1 3 0
Ed Ruth  0 3 0
Jordan Burroughs 1 2 9
John William Smith 2 2 6
Chris Campbell 1 2 3
Ben Peterson 0 2 2
Jake Herbert 1 2 1
Stephen Neal 0 2 1
Gabe Dean 1 2 0
Ryan Bertin 1 2 0
Tony Nelson 1 2 0
Darryl Burley 1 2 0
Pat Milkovich 1 2 0
Dan St. John 0 2 0
Pat Santoro 0 2 0
Chuck Yagla 0 2 0
Bruce Baumgartner 0 1 13
Ron Jeidy 0 1 0
Keith Gavin 0 1 0
Brock Lesnar 0 1 0
Phil Davis 0 1 0
John Fritz 0 1 0
Matt Reiss 0 1 0
Russ Hellickson 1 0 3
John Peterson 0 0 2

 

Thank you one and all for creating this list.

I appreciate your efforts to make me know something (futile as they may be).

What are you including as a world title?  

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1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

 

 

        (So sue me.)

        (The lawsuit grows.)

         (More litigants.)

         ...

 

Thanks much for the chart (I'm sure it'll grow), and the humor.

I'm gonna give you that well earned atta-boy.

Edited by BerniePragle

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