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7 minutes ago, ionel said:

Can any explain why the Michigan football team is getting booster shots?

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32920662/michigan-wolverines-set-get-covid-19-booster-shot-team-ahead-college-football-playoff-semifinal-vs-georgia-bulldogs

This doesn't fit with the "let's follow the science.  Also the WHO doesn't seem to agree with boosters in general.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/22/who-says-covid-vaccine-booster-programs-will-prolong-pandemic.html

did you actually read this article? their criticism is that people in countries like the US are getting boosters while poorer countries still haven’t gotten the vaccine at all (because we’re hoarding them). the unequal access will lead to continued mutations because of the unvaccinated poorer countries.

it’s not an anti-vax/booster criticism. it’s a criticism of their unequal distribution. 

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a "Hawkeye Open" seems to be in the works for Jan 1-2. Don't know if this is separate from or in conjunction with the rumoured tourney intermat seems to be working on. Would be cool if we got 2 new tournaments out of this unfortunate situation, but I question the depths of the respective fields 

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3 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

You are right, early reports indicated that omicron variant appeared to be highly contagious, yet mild in severity. But those were early.

More recent reports indicate that 'highly contagious' holds true, but the 'mild in severity' portion is more attributable to the fact that millions have gotten vaccinated. For them, especially those with booster shots, the severity has proven to be relatively mild in most cases. For the unvaccinated and to a lesser extent the unboosted, it has proven to be quite severe - to the point where deaths are rising and, yes, in fact some hospitals are once again using refrigerated trucks for temporary storage of the deceased. For the record, yes, we are having hospitals fill up and we are having "dead bodies piling up", and right now it is trending in the wrong direction.

There's still much we don't know about the Omicron variant - but note that if anybody claims to have all the answers, they're lying to you.

I would recommend we all find reputable (be picky) sources of information and follow. Maybe we'll get good news, or maybe it'll be gloom and doom. I'm hoping for the former and preparing for the latter.

 

again, not true regarding the severity.  South Africa has about a 23% vaccination rate and the country deaths did not mimic the delta variant.  Lambda variant was highly contagious in South America and also mild in severity.  Virus' tend to get less not more severe and this one goes back and forth to animals, so there is no vaccinating ourselves out of this.  Just treating and preventing.

https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/south-africa/

 

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11 minutes ago, ionel said:

It's very simple - get booster shots, wear masks, avoid crowds. They are doing exactly what is recommended to keep their chances as low as possible of Covid infections (which could result in losing players, and potentially losing games.)

It's not perfect, but this is the science that we have at our disposal to help end the pandemic.

 

11 minutes ago, ionel said:

This doesn't fit with the "let's follow the science.  Also the WHO doesn't seem to agree with boosters in general.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/22/who-says-covid-vaccine-booster-programs-will-prolong-pandemic.html

The WHO is concerned that wealthier countries are now giving 3rd and even 4th shots and are being selfish. Less developed countries are still not even half-vaccinated with the 1st round because they don't have access to vaccine supply. They'd like to see all countries being brought along more equally in terms of vaccinations.

They, by no means, disagree with the science. The science is clear (vaccinate, wear masks, avoid crowds, etc. Simple stuff.)

 

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2 hours ago, jchapman said:

The Midlands is actually in Hoffman Estates now.

Several mentioned this not singling out ionel...   did Hoffman estates force the cancellation or north western.  ?   Super early but doesn’t the publication say nw cancelled ?   
 

Hoffman estates is like 30 miles west of north west Chicago.  

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16 minutes ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

It's very simple - get booster shots, wear masks, avoid crowds. They are doing exactly what is recommended to keep their chances as low as possible of Covid infections (which could result in losing players, and potentially losing games.)

It's not perfect, but this is the science that we have at our disposal to help end the pandemic.

 

The WHO is concerned that wealthier countries are now giving 3rd and even 4th shots and are being selfish. Less developed countries are still not even half-vaccinated with the 1st round because they don't have access to vaccine supply. They'd like to see all countries being brought along more equally in terms of vaccinations.

They, by no means, disagree with the science. The science is clear (vaccinate, wear masks, avoid crowds, etc. Simple stuff.)

 

So then explain how Michigan is following the science, what science has said 20 yr olds need boosters, when did MI players get their 2nd shoot?

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9 minutes ago, Scorenomore said:

again, not true regarding the severity.  South Africa has about a 23% vaccination rate and the country deaths did not mimic the delta variant.  Lambda variant was highly contagious in South America and also mild in severity.  Virus' tend to get less not more severe and this one goes back and forth to animals, so there is no vaccinating ourselves out of this.  Just treating and preventing.

https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/south-africa/

 

I don't disagree with much of what you're saying.

Unfortunately, the experience of South Africa isn't necessarily indicative of what we will experience here in the U.S. It is useful information, to be sure - but it would be a stretch to imply that the U.S. will have the same results. There are too many factors involved to make that assumption.

We will know much more about how this will unfold in the U.S. in the coming weeks. As I've said before, I'm hoping for the best and preparing for the worst. I wish we had a crystal ball that we could see the future with - but we don't. And it would be best for everyone, regardless of their perspective, to not pretend we know the future. We 100% don't. (Anyone who is claiming to know, is lying.)

You're right - "treat and prevent" is the best we can do. The science on prevention is clear - vaccinate, wear masks, social distance, avoid indoor crowds, etc. All the same simple stuff we all know. Slow the spread, slow the mutation, lose less lives. Treatment keeps getting better. There are things to be hopeful about.

 

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6 minutes ago, ionel said:

So then explain how Michigan is following the science, what science has said 20 yr olds need boosters, when did MI players get their 2nd shoot?

That's a good question. I don't know.

I don't follow Michigan football, so I pulled up a few articles and they are vague on the details.

But, for example, if the football team received the J&J vaccine - they'd be eligible for boosters 2 months after the 1st (and only) shot. I have no idea if this is the case or not.

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14 minutes ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

I don't disagree with much of what you're saying.

Unfortunately, the experience of South Africa isn't necessarily indicative of what we will experience here in the U.S. It is useful information, to be sure - but it would be a stretch to imply that the U.S. will have the same results. There are too many factors involved to make that assumption.

We will know much more about how this will unfold in the U.S. in the coming weeks. As I've said before, I'm hoping for the best and preparing for the worst. I wish we had a crystal ball that we could see the future with - but we don't. And it would be best for everyone, regardless of their perspective, to not pretend we know the future. We 100% don't. (Anyone who is claiming to know, is lying.)

You're right - "treat and prevent" is the best we can do. The science on prevention is clear - vaccinate, wear masks, social distance, avoid indoor crowds, etc. All the same simple stuff we all know. Slow the spread, slow the mutation, lose less lives. Treatment keeps getting better. There are things to be hopeful about.

 

Although I am concerned about overreacting to an illness that unnecessarily limits freedoms, I am encouraged by more respectful dialogue. 

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6 hours ago, ionel said:

Can any explain why the Michigan football team is getting booster shots?

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32920662/michigan-wolverines-set-get-covid-19-booster-shot-team-ahead-college-football-playoff-semifinal-vs-georgia-bulldogs

This doesn't fit with the "let's follow the science.  Also the WHO doesn't seem to agree with boosters in general.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/22/who-says-covid-vaccine-booster-programs-will-prolong-pandemic.html

Michigan is in the CFP and doesn’t want their players to have to sit out from a positive test. It’s very smart what they’re doing. It would be smart for wrestlers to do something similar 2-3 weeks before NCAAs. 

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1 hour ago, Billyhoyle said:

Michigan is in the CFP and doesn’t want their players to have to sit out from a positive test. It’s very smart what they’re doing. It would be smart for wrestlers to do something similar 2-3 weeks before NCAAs. 

Yeah that seems to be more of an athletics decision than a health decision - they just want to reduce the risk of guys testing positive (and missing the playoff), which boosters have shown in pretty much all age groups - but that’s about it, it’s basically just reducing their chances of getting the sniffles.  2 shots for young people is plenty, some doctors gave argued 1 would have been enough especially now that we know the risk of myocarditis is much higher after the second dose (we don’t really know because there wasn’t much discussion to possibly do much different with young people).  There is not enough data on adverse events after the booster in young people IMO to be mandating them like some colleges have already done.

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45 minutes ago, cjc007 said:

science?

Sounds like big pharma propaganda to anyone with a functional brain.

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Why would "big pharma" be pushing vaccination when they make far more money on treatments like remdesivir?

Is this the same Big Pharma that's always accused of pushing treatment over cure for so many diseases, because "follow the money?"

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14 hours ago, PSUSMC said:

in Chicago "...neighbors and others are at risk of death" every day.

There's probably a better chance of catching a stray round than covid.

Chiraq!

For real: Judging by your username, you served so I'm inclined give you the benefit of the doubt. But what's going on in Chcago is highly localized violence where the vicims and assailants probably know each other. It's not war. Let me tell you a story: it's Fallujah 2004. Horizon eradicating black plumes in the distance, tanks rolling through in the foreground. And what's that smell? Obviously, the charred and rotting remains of the dead who met their ends in different but equally horrific ways. But there's something else: perfume? Yeah, it was perfume. The sweet smell of putrification mixed with the sweet smell of perfume. Wtf. Word was that those black plumes were from some sorta fragrance factory. With all due respect, this ain't happening in Chicago.

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Have people noticed that the Midlands is not alone. The NBA, NHL and NFL have postponed games. U. Florida just quit its bowl game. NHL players are not going to the Olympics. None of these are cancellations, but it's not like Northwestern is the only one taking action. Also: The Midlands is, I would think, not a profitable event to begin with.

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3 minutes ago, NJDan said:

Have people noticed that the Midlands is not alone. The NBA, NHL and NFL have postponed games. U. Florida just quit its bowl game. NHL players are not going to the Olympics. None of these are cancellations, but it's not like Northwestern is the only one taking action. Also: The Midlands is, I would think, not a profitable event to begin with.

Yep. English Premier League, too. Probably other leagues around the world that I don't follow.

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28 minutes ago, southend said:

Move the Damn Thing. To much historical significance In this event to let it go to hell.  Get out of this socialist State and into a “real “American State. 

Yeah, I heared Mudflap is settin' up his own alternative Midlands tournament at his roofing equipment shed.  Rugged individualism!  

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10 minutes ago, NJDan said:

Have people noticed that the Midlands is not alone. The NBA, NHL and NFL have postponed games. U. Florida just quit its bowl game. NHL players are not going to the Olympics. None of these are cancellations, but it's not like Northwestern is the only one taking action. Also: The Midlands is, I would think, not a profitable event to begin with.

This isn't true.  Texas A&M pulled from the Gator Bowl and was replaced by Rutgers.

Florida is very much still playing UCF in Tampa.  Tonight.  Drove up last night and already here at the stadium as are hundreds of others...

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15 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Yep. English Premier League, too. Probably other leagues around the world that I don't follow.

And then there's this: UCLA, Columbia, Duke among colleges planning to start January with remote instruction as omicron surges. https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2021/12/22/ucla-virtual-instruction-covid-omicron/

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