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On 2/23/2022 at 12:57 AM, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Sounds a lot like the Hodge Trophy discussion we'll be having soon... some of the thicker headed just can't get past the concept of "set criteria"

It's not here, and it won't be for the Hodge either.

No need to disparage the thicker headed forum users...

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Without getting into any debate over who should be where in the top 4 pre-seeds, does anyone think that there is a likely Big 10 Champ who would NOT be a top 4 seed?  I could go a step further, and venture a guess that very few, if any outside the top 4 have any meaningful chance of making the Big 10 finals.  

Discuss!

125. RANK 
1 | Suriano, Nick | SR | #3 Michigan | 8 - 0 | 1605.72
2 | Hildebrandt, Drew | SR | #1 Penn State | 7 - 1 | 1503.80
3 | Schroder, Devin | SR | #21 Purdue | 16 - 3 | 1481.49
4 | Ayala, Drake | FR | #2 Iowa | 13 - 4 | 1477.47

133. RANK 
1 | Bravo-Young, Roman | JR | #1 Penn State | 13 - 0 | 1602.30
2 | DeSanto, Austin | SR | #2 Iowa | 13 - 2 | 1601.96
3 | Byrd, Lucas | FR | #31 Illinois | 18 - 1 | 1529.05
4 | Olivieri, Joey | FR | #17 Rutgers | 17 - 7 | 1487.59

141 RANK 
1 | Lee, Nick | SR | #1 Penn State | 13 - 0 | 1645.58
2 | Eierman, Jaydin | SR | #2 Iowa | 14 - 1 | 1638.04
3 | Rivera, Sebastian | SR | #17 Rutgers | 21 - 0 | 1616.18
4 |  Red, Chad | SR | #13 Nebraska | 11 - 3 | 1530.62

149. RANK 
1 | Sasso, Sammy | SO | #7 Ohio State | 20 - 1 | 1614.44
2 | Gomez, Austin | JR | #11 Wisconsin | 14 - 1 | 1525.07
3 | Thomas, Yahya | JR | #15 Northwestern | 11 - 4 | 1512.13
4 | Lovett, Ridge | SO | #13 Nebraska | 16 - 2 | 1509.84
 

157. RANK 
1 | Deakin, Ryan | SR | #15 Northwestern | 9 - 0 | 1605.78
2 | Robb, Peyton | SO | #13 Nebraska | 10 - 5 | 1507.95
3 | Lewan, Will | SO | #3 Michigan | 14 - 3 | 1494.71
4 | Berge, Brady | SR | #1 Penn State | 3 - 1 | 1488.57
 

165. RANK 
1 | Marinelli, Alex | SR | #2 Iowa | 17 - 1 | 1595.17
2 | Kharchla, Carson | FR | #7 Ohio State | 19 - 1 | 1566.02
3 | Hamiti, Dean | FR | #11 Wisconsin | 18 - 1 | 1555.86
4 | Amine, Cameron | FR | #3 Michigan | 12 - 4 | 1480.26

174. RANK 
1 | Kemerer, Michael | SR | #2 Iowa | 7 - 1 | 1608.39
2 | Starocci, Carter | FR | #1 Penn State | 14 - 0 | 1588.29
3 | Massa, Logan | SR | #3 Michigan | 13 - 1 | 1527.18
4 | Labriola, Michael | JR | #13 Nebraska | 15 - 2 | 1521.60

184. RANK 
1 | Amine, Myles | SR | #3 Michigan | 13 - 1 | 1603.89
2 | Brooks, Aaron | SO | #1 Penn State | 14 - 0 | 1601.67
3 | Romero, Kaleb | JR | #7 Ohio State | 10 - 1 | 1511.13
4 | Poznanski, John | FR | #17 Rutgers | 14 - 4 | 1491.67
 

197. RANK 
1 | Dean, Max | JR | #1 Penn State | 14 - 1 | 1549.62
2 | Caffey, Cameron | JR | #28 Michigan State | 24 - 4 | 1521.58
3 | Warner, Jacob | JR | #2 Iowa | 13 - 2 | 1510.81
4 | Schultz, Eric | SR | #13 Nebraska | 13 - 1 | 1507.47
 

285. RANK 
1 | Steveson, Gable | JR | #12 Minnesota | 10 - 0 | 1638.21
2 | Parris, Mason | JR | #3 Michigan | 11 - 2 | 1569.83
3 | Cassioppi, Anthony | SO | #2 Iowa | 12 - 2 | 1546.29
4 | Kerkvliet, Greg | FR | #1 Penn State | 13 - 1 | 1528.98
 

 

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On 2/26/2022 at 5:25 PM, JerryCallo said:

 

Without getting into any debate over who should be where in the top 4 pre-seeds, does anyone think that there is a likely Big 10 Champ who would NOT be a top 4 seed?  I could go a step further, and venture a guess that very few, if any outside the top 4 have any meaningful chance of making the Big 10 finals.  

Discuss!

125. RANK 
1 | Suriano, Nick | SR | #3 Michigan | 8 - 0 | 1605.72
2 | Hildebrandt, Drew | SR | #1 Penn State | 7 - 1 | 1503.80
3 | Schroder, Devin | SR | #21 Purdue | 16 - 3 | 1481.49
4 | Ayala, Drake | FR | #2 Iowa | 13 - 4 | 1477.47

133. RANK 
1 | Bravo-Young, Roman | JR | #1 Penn State | 13 - 0 | 1602.30
2 | DeSanto, Austin | SR | #2 Iowa | 13 - 2 | 1601.96
3 | Byrd, Lucas | FR | #31 Illinois | 18 - 1 | 1529.05
4 | Olivieri, Joey | FR | #17 Rutgers | 17 - 7 | 1487.59

141 RANK 
1 | Lee, Nick | SR | #1 Penn State | 13 - 0 | 1645.58
2 | Eierman, Jaydin | SR | #2 Iowa | 14 - 1 | 1638.04
3 | Rivera, Sebastian | SR | #17 Rutgers | 21 - 0 | 1616.18
4 |  Red, Chad | SR | #13 Nebraska | 11 - 3 | 1530.62

149. RANK 
1 | Sasso, Sammy | SO | #7 Ohio State | 20 - 1 | 1614.44
2 | Gomez, Austin | JR | #11 Wisconsin | 14 - 1 | 1525.07
3 | Thomas, Yahya | JR | #15 Northwestern | 11 - 4 | 1512.13
4 | Lovett, Ridge | SO | #13 Nebraska | 16 - 2 | 1509.84
 

157. RANK 
1 | Deakin, Ryan | SR | #15 Northwestern | 9 - 0 | 1605.78
2 | Robb, Peyton | SO | #13 Nebraska | 10 - 5 | 1507.95
3 | Lewan, Will | SO | #3 Michigan | 14 - 3 | 1494.71
4 | Berge, Brady | SR | #1 Penn State | 3 - 1 | 1488.57
 

165. RANK 
1 | Marinelli, Alex | SR | #2 Iowa | 17 - 1 | 1595.17
2 | Kharchla, Carson | FR | #7 Ohio State | 19 - 1 | 1566.02
3 | Hamiti, Dean | FR | #11 Wisconsin | 18 - 1 | 1555.86
4 | Amine, Cameron | FR | #3 Michigan | 12 - 4 | 1480.26

174. RANK 
1 | Kemerer, Michael | SR | #2 Iowa | 7 - 1 | 1608.39
2 | Starocci, Carter | FR | #1 Penn State | 14 - 0 | 1588.29
3 | Massa, Logan | SR | #3 Michigan | 13 - 1 | 1527.18
4 | Labriola, Michael | JR | #13 Nebraska | 15 - 2 | 1521.60

184. RANK 
1 | Amine, Myles | SR | #3 Michigan | 13 - 1 | 1603.89
2 | Brooks, Aaron | SO | #1 Penn State | 14 - 0 | 1601.67
3 | Romero, Kaleb | JR | #7 Ohio State | 10 - 1 | 1511.13
4 | Poznanski, John | FR | #17 Rutgers | 14 - 4 | 1491.67
 

197. RANK 
1 | Dean, Max | JR | #1 Penn State | 14 - 1 | 1549.62
2 | Caffey, Cameron | JR | #28 Michigan State | 24 - 4 | 1521.58
3 | Warner, Jacob | JR | #2 Iowa | 13 - 2 | 1510.81
4 | Schultz, Eric | SR | #13 Nebraska | 13 - 1 | 1507.47
 

285. RANK 
1 | Steveson, Gable | JR | #12 Minnesota | 10 - 0 | 1638.21
2 | Parris, Mason | JR | #3 Michigan | 11 - 2 | 1569.83
3 | Cassioppi, Anthony | SO | #2 Iowa | 12 - 2 | 1546.29
4 | Kerkvliet, Greg | FR | #1 Penn State | 13 - 1 | 1528.98
 

 

Possibly Brucki at 97, I think he's capable of beating anyone. Murin could win at 49, too, but he should be seeded ahead of Thomas.

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4 hours ago, funnyfletcher said:

Possibly Brucki at 97, I think he's capable of beating anyone. Murin could win at 49, too, but he should be seeded ahead of Thomas.

Also Foley 133, Barnett-Heinselman-McKee-DeAugustino 125. 125 is a free for all

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1 hour ago, nhs67 said:

None of those you mentiomed have realistic chances to win.

Brucki does.

Agreed.  Maybe 1 of the 125's could make the Finals, but I don't see Suriano losing.  Foley is really good, but his ceiling is probably 4th with a very slight chance at 3rd.  RBY and DeSanto are simply too much and Byrd is maybe a 1 or 2 out of 10 matchup for Rayvon.

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4 hours ago, MSU158 said:

Agreed.  Maybe 1 of the 125's could make the Finals, but I don't see Suriano losing.  Foley is really good, but his ceiling is probably 4th with a very slight chance at 3rd.  RBY and DeSanto are simply too much and Byrd is maybe a 1 or 2 out of 10 matchup for Rayvon.

Oops I was responding to who could make the finals. That was the second thing he mentioned. None of whom I wrote will win but one or two of em can make the finals. 

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40 minutes ago, JMONEY149 said:

Oops I was responding to who could make the finals. That was the second thing he mentioned. None of whom I wrote will win but one or two of em can make the finals. 

Ah good deal.  I agree on your 125lb gents.  Foley isn't beating Byrd, Desanto, or RBY, though.  Unless RBY INJDEF's out.

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125 lbs.

  1. Nick Suriano (MICH)
  2. Drew Hildebrandt (PSU)
  3. Eric Barnett (WIS)
  4. Malik Heinselman (OSU)
  5. Devin Schroder (PUR)
  6. Drake Ayala (IOWA)
  7. Michael DeAugustino (NU)
  8. Patrick McKee (MINN)
  9. Dylan Shawver (RU)
  10. Justin Cardani (ILL)
  11. Tristan Lujan (MSU)
  12. Jacob Moran (IND)
  13. Jeremiah Reno (NEB)
  14. Zach Spence (MD)

 
133 lbs.

  1. Roman Bravo-Young (PSU)
  2. Austin DeSanto (IOWA)
  3. Lucas Byrd (ILL)
  4. RayVon Foley (MSU)
  5. Dylan Ragusin (MICH)
  6. Brock Hudkins (IND)
  7. Chris Cannon (NU)
  8. Joe Olivieri (RU)
  9. Matt Ramos (PUR)
  10. Dominick Serrano (NEB)
  11. Kyle Burwick (WIS)
  12. Jake Gliva (MINN)
  13. King Sandoval (MD)
  14. Dylan Koontz (OSU)

 
141 lbs.

  1. Nick Lee (PSU)
  2. Jaydin Eierman (IOWA)
  3. Sebastian Rivera (RU)
  4. Chad Red (NEB)
  5. Jakob Bergeland (MINN)
  6. Stevan Micic (MICH)
  7. Dylan D’Emilio (OSU)
  8. Joseph Zargo (WIS)
  9. Dylan Duncan (ILL)
  10. Frankie Tel Shahar (NU)
  11. Parker Filius (PUR)
  12. Matt Santos (MSU)
  13. Cayden Rooks (IND)
  14. Danny Bertoni (MD)

 
149 lbs.

  1. Sammy Sasso (OSU)
  2. Austin Gomez (WIS)
  3. Ridge Lovett (NEB)
  4. Max Murin (IOWA)
  5. Yahya Thomas (NU)
  6. Mike Van Brill (RU)
  7. Beau Bartlett (PSU)
  8. Christian Kanzler (ILL)
  9. Graham Rooks (IND)
  10. Michael Bockhus (MINN)
  11. Kanen Storr (MICH)
  12. Michael North (MD)
  13. Payton Omania (MSU)
  14. Alec White (PUR)

 
157 lbs.

  1. Ryan Deakin (NU)
  2. Kaleb Young (IOWA)
  3. Will Lewan (MICH)
  4. Kendall Coleman (PUR)
  5. Peyton Robb (NEB)
  6. Chase Saldate (MSU)
  7. Garrett Model (WIS)
  8. Robert Kanniard (RU)
  9. Bryce Hepner (OSU)
  10. Brady Berge (PSU)
  11. Derek Gilcher (IND)
  12. Joe Roberts (ILL)
  13. Lucas Cordio (MD)
  14. Sebas Swiggum (MINN)

 
165 lbs.

  1. Carson Kharchla (OSU)
  2. Alex Marinelli (IOWA)
  3. Dean Hamiti (WIS)
  4. Cameron Amine (MICH)
  5. Caleb Fish (MSU)
  6. Dan Braunagel (ILL)
  7. Hayden Lohrey (PUR)
  8. Clayton Wilson (NEB)
  9. Cael Carlson (MINN)
  10. Creighton Edsell (PSU)
  11. David Ferrante (NU)
  12. Andrew Clark (RU)
  13. Kasper McIntosh (IND)
  14. Gaven Bell (MD)

 
174 lbs.

  1. Carter Starocci (PSU)
  2. Logan Massa (MICH)
  3. Mikey Labriola (NEB)
  4. Michael Kemerer (IOWA)
  5. Ethan Smith (OSU)
  6. Bailee O’Reilly (MINN)
  7. Gerrit Nijenhuis (PUR)
  8. Troy Fisher (NU)
  9. Dominic Solic (MD)
  10. DJ Shannon (ILL)
  11. Andrew McNally (WIS)
  12. Nick South (IND)
  13. Connor O’Neill (RUT)
  14. Nate Jimenez (MSU)

 
184 lbs.

  1. Aaron Brooks (PSU)
  2. Myles Amine (MICH)
  3. Kaleb Romero (OSU)
  4. Taylor Venz (NEB)
  5. Abe Assad (IOWA)
  6. Layne Malczewski (MSU)
  7. John Pozanski (RU)
  8. Kyle Cochran (MD)
  9. DJ Washington (IND)
  10. Isaiah Salazar (MINN)
  11. Christopher Weiler (WIS)
  12. Zach Braunagel (ILL)
  13. Max Lyon (PUR)
  14. Jack Jessen (NU)

 
197 lbs.

  1. Eric Schultz (NEB)
  2. Max Dean (PSU)
  3. Cameron Caffey (MSU)
  4. Jacob Warner (IOWA)
  5. Patrick Bucki (MICH)
  6. Thomas Penola (PUR)
  7. Greg Bulsak (RU)
  8. Braxton Amos (WIS)
  9. Gavin Hoffman (OSU)
  10. Andrew Davison (NU)
  11. Jaron Smith (MD)
  12. Michial Foy (MINN)
  13. Nick Willham (IND)
  14. Matt Wroblewski (ILL)

 
285 lbs.

  1. Gable Steveson (MINN)
  2. Tony Cassioppi (IOWA)
  3. Greg Kerkvliet (PSU)
  4. Mason Parris (MICH)
  5. Lucas Davison (NU)
  6. Christian Lance (NEB)
  7. Trent Hillger (WIS)
  8. Tate Orndorff (OSU)
  9. Luke Luffman (ILL)
  10. Jacob Bullock (IND)
  11. Michael Woulfe (PUR)
  12. Boone McDermott (RU)
  13. Brad Wilton (MSU)
  14. Zach Schrader (MD)

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I don't like the heavyweight pre-seed for Mason Parris, but I understand it.

I wonder what is the better outcome for him regarding NCAA seeding --- to beat Cassioppi or Kerkvliet for third?  Perhaps is doesn't matter at all.  He gets seeded third at NCAA if he finishes third at Big Ten.

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2 minutes ago, kionga said:

I don't like the heavyweight pre-seed for Mason Parris, but I understand it.

I wonder what is the better outcome for him regarding NCAA seeding --- to beat Cassioppi or Kerkvliet for third?  Perhaps is doesn't matter at all.  He gets seeded third at NCAA if he finishes third at Big Ten.

Doubt that , he gets seeded 4th at ncaas if he takes 3rd at big ten …Schultz will be the 2/3 and whoever loses to gable in the big ten finals is going to be the other 2/3

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1 minute ago, Antitroll2828 said:

Doubt that , he gets seeded 4th at ncaas if he takes 3rd at big ten …Schultz will be the 2/3 and whoever loses to gable in the big ten finals is going to be the other 2/3

I thought of that immediately after I submitted my post.  So if Parris looses to Steveson in the semis, would it make strategic sense for him to default the third place match?

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I have absolutely nothing against Schutlz - seems like a good kid and I hope our greco program brings home hardware for a long time. But I'm absolutely rooting against Zeke Jones at NCAAs and looking forward to the B1G hammers bringing their A game after the brackets shake out.

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