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4 hours ago, portajohn said:

Im not saying the chiefs aren't good but if you honestly believe that the Chiefs would beat the Bengals 7 out of 8 I want whatever drugs you're taking.

The same Bengals that got routed by the Browns 41-16? That lost to the Bears? I think you're overvaluing their hot streak. They beat 2 of the 3 teams with the lowest ceilings in the AFC in the Raiders and Titans (with a returning Derrick Henry). 

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10 hours ago, LavionMayes said:

The same Bengals that got routed by the Browns 41-16? That lost to the Bears? I think you're overvaluing their hot streak. They beat 2 of the 3 teams with the lowest ceilings in the AFC in the Raiders and Titans (with a returning Derrick Henry). 

Are you bitter that the lowly Bengals beat your almighty Chiefs?  :)

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11 minutes ago, LavionMayes said:

Not a Chiefs fan haha. Ya"ll be so up in your emotions that ya'll can't even have discussions without discussing feelings.

Feelings?  My feelings are they are both better than the Broncos!   Bengals proved they are better than the Chiefs, what happened earlier in the season means less than nothing.

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On 3/19/2022 at 4:34 PM, southend said:

The indiana mat has a system that works for the high schools to determine a team champion, in a one class individual high school state tournament .Worth a look. This national NCAA team determination is a farce, in an individual sport, and every one knows it. Literally means nothing. 

WOW....Then these were all a farce!!????  (Breaking News)  I've been to 42 of these and never thought the scoring system was a farce.  I also coached for close to 40 years in highly succesful programs and we coached to the scoring system.....make every kid on the team as good as he could ......preached scoring bonus points, taught kids to be good in all areas of wrestling...you do that....you are going to score a lot of points.

 

2022 Penn State Cael Sanderson 131.5 Michigan 95 Detroit
2021 Iowa Tom Brands 129 Penn State 113.5 St. Louis
2020 Canceled due to Covid-19 -- -- -- -- --
2019 Penn State Cael Sanderson 137.5 Ohio State 96.5 Pittsburgh
2018 Penn State Cael Sanderson 141.5 Ohio State 133.5 Cleveland
2017 Penn State Cael Sanderson 146.5 Ohio State 110 St. Louis
2016 Penn State Cael Sanderson 123 Oklahoma St. 97.5 New York
2015 Ohio State Tom Ryan 102 Iowa 84 St. Louis
2014 Penn State Cael Sanderson 109.5 Minnesota 104 Oklahoma City
2013 Penn State Cael Sanderson 123.5 Oklahoma St. 119.5 Des Moines, Iowa
2012 Penn State Cael Sanderson 143.0 Minnesota 117.5 St. Louis
2011 Penn State Cael Sanderson 103.5 Cornell 89.5 Philadelphia
2010 Iowa Tom Brands 134.5 Cornell 90 Omaha, Neb.
2009 Iowa Tom Brands 96.5 Ohio State 92 St. Louis
2008 Iowa Tom Brands 117.5 Ohio State 79 St. Louis
2007 Minnesota J Robinson 98 Iowa State 88.5 Auburn Hills, Mich.
2006 Oklahoma State John Smith 122.5 Minnesota 84 Oklahoma City
2005 Oklahoma State John Smith 153 Michigan 83 St. Louis
2004 Oklahoma State John Smith 123.5 Iowa 82 St. Louis
2003 Oklahoma State John Smith 143 Minnesota 104.5 Kansas City, Mo.
2002 Minnesota J Robinson 126.5 Iowa State 104 Albany, N.Y.
2001 Minnesota J Robinson 138.5 Iowa 125.5 Iowa
2000 Iowa Jim Zalesky 116 Iowa State 109.5 St. Louis
1999 Iowa Jim Zalesky 100.5 Minnesota 98.5 Penn State
1998 Iowa Jim Zalesky 115 Minnesota 102 Cleveland State
1997 Iowa Dan Gable 170 Oklahoma State 113.5 UNI
1996 Iowa Dan Gable 122.5 Iowa State 78.5 Minnesota
1995 Iowa Dan Gable 134 Oregon state 77.5 Iowa
1994 Oklahoma State John Smith 94.75 Iowa 76.5 North Carolina
1993 Iowa Dan Gable 123.75 Penn State 87.5 Iowa State
1992 Iowa Dan Gable 149 Oklahoma State 100.5 Oklahoma & Oklahoma State
1991 Iowa Dan Gable 157 Oklahoma State 108.75 Iowa
1990 Oklahoma State Joe Seay 117.75 Arizona State 104.75 Maryland
1989 Oklahoma State Joe Seay 91.25 Arizona State 70.5 Oklahoma & Oklahoma State
1988 Arizona State Bobby Douglas 93 Iowa 85.5 Iowa
1987 Iowa State Jim Gibbons 133 Iowa 108 Maryland
1986 Iowa Dan Gable 158 Oklahoma 84.25 Oklahoma & Oklahoma State
1985 Iowa Dan Gable 145.25 Oklahoma 98.5 Iowa State
1984 Iowa Dan Gable 123.75 Oklahoma State 98 Maryland
1983 Iowa Dan Gable 155 Oklahoma State 102 Iowa
1982 Iowa Dan Gable 131.75 Iowa State 111 Oklahoma & Oklahoma State
1981 Iowa Dan Gable 129.75 Oklahoma 100.25 Princeton
1980 Iowa Dan Gable 110.75 Oklahoma State 87 Oregon State
1979 Iowa Dan Gable 122.5 Iowa State 88 Iowa State
1978 Iowa Dan Gable 94.5 Iowa State 94 Maryland
1977 Iowa State Harold Nichols 95.5 Oklahoma State 88.75 Oklahoma
1976 Iowa Gary Kurdelmeier 123.5 Iowa State 85.75 Arizona
1975 Iowa Gary Kurdelmeier 102 Oklahoma 77 Princeton
1974 Oklahoma Stan Abel 69.5 Michigan 67 Iowa State
1973 Iowa State Harold Nichols 85 Oregon state 72.5 Washington
1972 Iowa State Harold Nichols 103 Michigan State 72.5 Maryland
1971 Oklahoma State Tommy Chesbro 94 Iowa State 66 Auburn
1970 Iowa State Harold Nichols 99 Michigan State 84 Northwestern
1969 Iowa State Harold Nichols 104 Oklahoma 69 BYU
1968 Oklahoma State Myron Roderick 81 Iowa State 78 Penn State
1967 Michigan State Grady Peninger 74 Michigan 63 Kent State
1966 Oklahoma State Myron Roderick 79 Iowa State 70 Iowa State
1965 Iowa State Harold Nichols 87 Oklahoma State 86 Wyoming
1964 Oklahoma State Myron Roderick 87 Oklahoma 58 Cornell
1963 Oklahoma Thomas Evans 48 Iowa State 45 Kent State
1962 Oklahoma State Myron Roderick 82 Oklahoma 45 Oklahoma State
1961 Oklahoma State Myron Roderick 82 Oklahoma 63 Oregon State
1960 Oklahoma Thomas Evans 59 Iowa State 40 Maryland
1959 Oklahoma State Myron Roderick 73 Iowa State 51 Iowa
1958 Oklahoma State Myron Roderick 77 Iowa State 62 Wyoming
1957 Oklahoma Port Robertson 73 Pittsburgh 66 Pittsburgh
1956 Oklahoma State Art Griffith 65 Oklahoma 62 Oklahoma State
1955 Oklahoma State Art Griffith 40 Penn State 31 Cornell
1954 Oklahoma State Art Griffith 32 Pittsburgh 17 Oklahoma
1953 Penn State Charles Speidel 21 Oklahoma 15 Penn State
1952 Oklahoma Port Robertson 22 UNI 21 Colorado State
1951 Oklahoma Port Robertson 24 Oklahoma State 23 Lehigh
1950 UNI David McCuskey 30 Purdue 16 UNI
1949 Oklahoma State Art Griffith 32 UNI 27 Colorado State
1948 Oklahoma State Art Griffith 33 Michigan State 28 Lehigh
1947 Cornell College Paul Scott 32 UNI 19 Illinois
1946 Oklahoma State Art Griffith 25 UNI 24 Oklahoma State
1942 Oklahoma State Art Griffith 31 Michigan State 26 Michigan State
1941 Oklahoma State Art Griffith 37 Michigan State 26 Lehigh
1940 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher 24 Indiana 14 Illinois
1939 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher 33 Lehigh 12 Frankline & Marshall
1938 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher 19 Illinois 15 Penn State
1937 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher 31 Oklahoma 13 Indiana State
1936 Oklahoma Paul Keen 14 Central Oklahoma/Oklahoma State 10 Washington & Lee
1935 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher 36 Oklahoma 18 Lehigh
1934 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher 29 Indiana 19 Michigan
1933 *Iowa State/Oklahoma State Hugo Otopali/E.C. Gallagher       Lehigh
1932 *Indiana W.H. Thorn 14 Oklahoma State 11 Indiana
1931 *Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher   Iowa State   Brown
1930 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher 27 Illinois 14 Penn State
1929 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher 26 Michigan 18 Ohio state
1928 *Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher   Iowa State/Michigan   Iowa State

No tournament held between 1943-45

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31 minutes ago, fadzaev2 said:

 

2007 Minnesota J Robinson 98 Iowa State 88.5 Auburn Hills, Mich.
             

How did Auburn Hills, MI pull the DI National Championship in 2007?? It's right outside of Detroit I guess, but why not just in Detroit? Why do wrestling tournaments have to be in the middle of nowhere??

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53 minutes ago, fadzaev2 said:

WOW....Then these were all a farce!!????  (Breaking News)  I've been to 42 of these and never thought the scoring system was a farce.  I also coached for close to 40 years in highly succesful programs and we coached to the scoring system.....make every kid on the team as good as he could ......preached scoring bonus points, taught kids to be good in all areas of wrestling...you do that....you are going to score a lot of points.

 

2022 Penn State Cael Sanderson 131.5 Michigan 95 Detroit
2021 Iowa Tom Brands 129 Penn State 113.5 St. Louis
2020 Canceled due to Covid-19 -- -- -- -- --
2019 Penn State Cael Sanderson 137.5 Ohio State 96.5 Pittsburgh
2018 Penn State Cael Sanderson 141.5 Ohio State 133.5 Cleveland
2017 Penn State Cael Sanderson 146.5 Ohio State 110 St. Louis
2016 Penn State Cael Sanderson 123 Oklahoma St. 97.5 New York
2015 Ohio State Tom Ryan 102 Iowa 84 St. Louis
2014 Penn State Cael Sanderson 109.5 Minnesota 104 Oklahoma City
2013 Penn State Cael Sanderson 123.5 Oklahoma St. 119.5 Des Moines, Iowa
2012 Penn State Cael Sanderson 143.0 Minnesota 117.5 St. Louis
2011 Penn State Cael Sanderson 103.5 Cornell 89.5 Philadelphia
2010 Iowa Tom Brands 134.5 Cornell 90 Omaha, Neb.
2009 Iowa Tom Brands 96.5 Ohio State 92 St. Louis
2008 Iowa Tom Brands 117.5 Ohio State 79 St. Louis
2007 Minnesota J Robinson 98 Iowa State 88.5 Auburn Hills, Mich.
2006 Oklahoma State John Smith 122.5 Minnesota 84 Oklahoma City
2005 Oklahoma State John Smith 153 Michigan 83 St. Louis
2004 Oklahoma State John Smith 123.5 Iowa 82 St. Louis
2003 Oklahoma State John Smith 143 Minnesota 104.5 Kansas City, Mo.
2002 Minnesota J Robinson 126.5 Iowa State 104 Albany, N.Y.
2001 Minnesota J Robinson 138.5 Iowa 125.5 Iowa
2000 Iowa Jim Zalesky 116 Iowa State 109.5 St. Louis
1999 Iowa Jim Zalesky 100.5 Minnesota 98.5 Penn State
1998 Iowa Jim Zalesky 115 Minnesota 102 Cleveland State
1997 Iowa Dan Gable 170 Oklahoma State 113.5 UNI
1996 Iowa Dan Gable 122.5 Iowa State 78.5 Minnesota
1995 Iowa Dan Gable 134 Oregon state 77.5 Iowa
1994 Oklahoma State John Smith 94.75 Iowa 76.5 North Carolina
1993 Iowa Dan Gable 123.75 Penn State 87.5 Iowa State
1992 Iowa Dan Gable 149 Oklahoma State 100.5 Oklahoma & Oklahoma State
1991 Iowa Dan Gable 157 Oklahoma State 108.75 Iowa
1990 Oklahoma State Joe Seay 117.75 Arizona State 104.75 Maryland
1989 Oklahoma State Joe Seay 91.25 Arizona State 70.5 Oklahoma & Oklahoma State
1988 Arizona State Bobby Douglas 93 Iowa 85.5 Iowa
1987 Iowa State Jim Gibbons 133 Iowa 108 Maryland
1986 Iowa Dan Gable 158 Oklahoma 84.25 Oklahoma & Oklahoma State
1985 Iowa Dan Gable 145.25 Oklahoma 98.5 Iowa State
1984 Iowa Dan Gable 123.75 Oklahoma State 98 Maryland
1983 Iowa Dan Gable 155 Oklahoma State 102 Iowa
1982 Iowa Dan Gable 131.75 Iowa State 111 Oklahoma & Oklahoma State
1981 Iowa Dan Gable 129.75 Oklahoma 100.25 Princeton
1980 Iowa Dan Gable 110.75 Oklahoma State 87 Oregon State
1979 Iowa Dan Gable 122.5 Iowa State 88 Iowa State
1978 Iowa Dan Gable 94.5 Iowa State 94 Maryland
1977 Iowa State Harold Nichols 95.5 Oklahoma State 88.75 Oklahoma
1976 Iowa Gary Kurdelmeier 123.5 Iowa State 85.75 Arizona
1975 Iowa Gary Kurdelmeier 102 Oklahoma 77 Princeton
1974 Oklahoma Stan Abel 69.5 Michigan 67 Iowa State
1973 Iowa State Harold Nichols 85 Oregon state 72.5 Washington
1972 Iowa State Harold Nichols 103 Michigan State 72.5 Maryland
1971 Oklahoma State Tommy Chesbro 94 Iowa State 66 Auburn
1970 Iowa State Harold Nichols 99 Michigan State 84 Northwestern
1969 Iowa State Harold Nichols 104 Oklahoma 69 BYU
1968 Oklahoma State Myron Roderick 81 Iowa State 78 Penn State
1967 Michigan State Grady Peninger 74 Michigan 63 Kent State
1966 Oklahoma State Myron Roderick 79 Iowa State 70 Iowa State
1965 Iowa State Harold Nichols 87 Oklahoma State 86 Wyoming
1964 Oklahoma State Myron Roderick 87 Oklahoma 58 Cornell
1963 Oklahoma Thomas Evans 48 Iowa State 45 Kent State
1962 Oklahoma State Myron Roderick 82 Oklahoma 45 Oklahoma State
1961 Oklahoma State Myron Roderick 82 Oklahoma 63 Oregon State
1960 Oklahoma Thomas Evans 59 Iowa State 40 Maryland
1959 Oklahoma State Myron Roderick 73 Iowa State 51 Iowa
1958 Oklahoma State Myron Roderick 77 Iowa State 62 Wyoming
1957 Oklahoma Port Robertson 73 Pittsburgh 66 Pittsburgh
1956 Oklahoma State Art Griffith 65 Oklahoma 62 Oklahoma State
1955 Oklahoma State Art Griffith 40 Penn State 31 Cornell
1954 Oklahoma State Art Griffith 32 Pittsburgh 17 Oklahoma
1953 Penn State Charles Speidel 21 Oklahoma 15 Penn State
1952 Oklahoma Port Robertson 22 UNI 21 Colorado State
1951 Oklahoma Port Robertson 24 Oklahoma State 23 Lehigh
1950 UNI David McCuskey 30 Purdue 16 UNI
1949 Oklahoma State Art Griffith 32 UNI 27 Colorado State
1948 Oklahoma State Art Griffith 33 Michigan State 28 Lehigh
1947 Cornell College Paul Scott 32 UNI 19 Illinois
1946 Oklahoma State Art Griffith 25 UNI 24 Oklahoma State
1942 Oklahoma State Art Griffith 31 Michigan State 26 Michigan State
1941 Oklahoma State Art Griffith 37 Michigan State 26 Lehigh
1940 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher 24 Indiana 14 Illinois
1939 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher 33 Lehigh 12 Frankline & Marshall
1938 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher 19 Illinois 15 Penn State
1937 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher 31 Oklahoma 13 Indiana State
1936 Oklahoma Paul Keen 14 Central Oklahoma/Oklahoma State 10 Washington & Lee
1935 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher 36 Oklahoma 18 Lehigh
1934 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher 29 Indiana 19 Michigan
1933 *Iowa State/Oklahoma State Hugo Otopali/E.C. Gallagher       Lehigh
1932 *Indiana W.H. Thorn 14 Oklahoma State 11 Indiana
1931 *Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher   Iowa State   Brown
1930 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher 27 Illinois 14 Penn State
1929 Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher 26 Michigan 18 Ohio state
1928 *Oklahoma State E.C. Gallagher   Iowa State/Michigan   Iowa State

No tournament held between 1943-45

You are right, the whole team did not participate in any of these events. Not a TEAM score. Just scoring the men from the team that qualified for this particular event. FARCE team championship . But still champions. 
And not BREAkiNG news, every on e knows it. 

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1 minute ago, BigTenFanboy said:

Hows that therapy going?

Don't be silly. As you well know, it's not a laughing matter.

You are getting help on a regular basis. That's great - I'll back you up all the way. (Apparently, popcorn isn't funny. Noted.)

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11 hours ago, moodybooty said:

How did Auburn Hills, MI pull the DI National Championship in 2007?? It's right outside of Detroit I guess, but why not just in Detroit? Why do wrestling tournaments have to be in the middle of nowhere??

Because of the Palace of Auburn Hills, which most recently was replaced with Lil'Caesars.  The Palace housed the Pistons, the state individual wrestling tournament (all 4 classes), concerts, etc.

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On 3/19/2022 at 4:27 PM, 4awrestler said:


Yes this year that is the case, it is obviously not always the case…. What does PSU have to be scared of if they’re always the best? The fact that Cael and company killed the national duals is a travesty to the sport. Duals have and always will be an important part of the sport. I would argue a heavily contested dual between 2 rival teams is just as entertaining as the national finals .


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This is the worst and most factually incorrect statement repeated in wrestling

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On 3/19/2022 at 3:53 PM, VakAttack said:

 

Penn State won the team title 2 hours ago in front of me and about 3k people. It's silly and detrimental to the sport. Dual tournament should decide the team title.

 

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what do you mean 3k people? 

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i should just write an article on why: 1) duals as an arbiter is a farce 2) why the national duals format (the previous incarnation) was stupid and untenable and 3) Cael didn't kill the national duals

and have the mods pin the link.

that way you crybabies and revisionists wouldn't have to whine and post lies every year. 

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Just now, Husker_Du said:

Didn't see Vak whine last year when Iowa clinched before Day 2 ended lol

He even showed a post where he said he would still rather duals be the format right after they won.  I know High School and DI are considerably different when it comes to logistics and level of competition relative to peaking, but I challenge you to go watch the Michigan Team State Tournament and tell me how that atmosphere compares to the Individual Tournament.  It is night and day.

Look, I don't care what team wins.  If MSU all of a sudden had 4 guaranteed 30 point scores at the NCAA tournament, but had to void the other 6 weights, I would STILL want duals to decide the team aspect.  I like all the decision making that goes on in Michigan between weighing kids in where, who has the flip for what weights deciding which team has to put their kid on the mat first, etc.  I know some of that doesn't apply to DI, but some of it would if it actually decided what team wins the NCAA Title.

I simply think it would be a better gauge of exactly who the best 10 starter team is and would be much more engaging for fans.  Hell, the Individual tournament would still do damn near as well since so many of those people that go would still be going regardless of whether or not the team aspect is still in place.

Now, I get that the past national dual format was untenable, but it didn't have the NCAA backing it as the true National Championship.   Make no mistake, with the full support of the NCAA it COULD be a very viable and highly entertaining event.

With all that said, I get that a lot of people like the current system.  It is familiar and convenient.  Team and Individual accolades all at the same place, at the same time.  I am not saying it doesn't work.  I simply believe it isn't the best way. So please, stop thinking all proponents want the format changed due to team bias.  That simply isn't true.  Changing it wouldn't help ANY PSU "haters".  They would almost certainly win the dual format every year they win the Individual format.  

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2 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

This is the worst and most factually incorrect statement repeated in wrestling

Cael had a letter-writing campaign to kill the proposal and started a blog:  https://www.caelsanderson.com/blog/no-to-national-duals/

And just because you were 6 years old when the exciting Cliff Keen National Duals were happening doesn't mean that they weren't important to the wrestling community.

Here's a glimpse of what once was: http://wrestlingstats.com/NWCA/PDF/NWCA National Duals.pdf

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36 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

any one of you geniuses want to tell me what a nationals of duals to end the season looks like?

how many teams get in? 

Really? That is how you engage?  It's a true wonder you made it as far as you have.  I posted respectfully with logic and reasoning.  You come back with insults?

Again, go watch MHSAA Team States.  Tell me that doesn't work out exceptionally well with a great fan friendly environment.  Trust me there is not ONE team that thinks the format is fluky and the right team did not FLAT OUT EARN the title.

I get that National logistics make travel and scheduling difficult.  But, if basketball can pull off 4-16(+1) brackets culminating with a Final Four showdown, wrestling could easily do something slimmed down.  Take the top 16 teams in the coaches rankings and separate them into 4 regions.  Region 1-(1,8,9 and 16). Region 2-(2,7,10 and 15).  Region 3-(3,6,11,14) and Region 4-(4,5,12 and 13).  Take the champs of those 4 regions and you have your Final Four.  Not rocket science by any means!

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20 minutes ago, MSU158 said:

Again, go watch MHSAA Team States.  Tell me that doesn't work out exceptionally well with a great fan friendly environment.  Trust me there is not ONE team that thinks the format is fluky and the right team did not FLAT OUT EARN the title.

I get that National logistics make travel and scheduling difficult.  But, if basketball can pull off 4-16(+1) brackets culminating with a Final Four showdown, wrestling could easily do something slimmed down.  Take the top 16 teams in the coaches rankings and separate them into 4 regions.  Region 1-(1,8,9 and 16). Region 2-(2,7,10 and 15).  Region 3-(3,6,11,14) and Region 4-(4,5,12 and 13).  Take the champs of those 4 regions and you have your Final Four.  Not rocket science by any means!

But when in the season do you do this without running into training for the individual nats. You simply can't compare a HS team states with one at D1. The HS teams don't need to peak for team duals. Each top kid looking to win ind states might have one good kid along the way in teams. Basically what would have happened during that time of the season anyway. With D1s you'd be worried about every dual. And look at PIAA team states. Pretty empty. Those teams show up with fans but that's it.

Basketball doesn't also have an individual event. 

And as to jammen pointing out NWCA duals- they were in  mid-January. They were likely more popular as a result of the time in between events but can you really decide who are the best teams to invite that early? And the kids wouldn't necessarily be in end of season form by then.

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2 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

It's not just familiar and convenient; it's more sensical, more attractive (regardless what anyone, on any message board says), and more insulated from fluke stuff. 

Haven't you said you wanted to have an official dual tournament but in December or something?

 

2 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

any one of you geniuses want to tell me what a nationals of duals to end the season looks like?

how many teams get in? 

I don't think you need more than 8 teams.  So it's 2 more matches.    Going off of a ranking would probably be sufficient.  

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A) National Duals aren't going to happen.  

B)  It won't grow the sport.  Only a handful of teams will be relevant as is already the case

C) outside of the forums most wrestling fans I've encountered don't care about a team title. At the end of the day it's an individual sport

 

 

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2 hours ago, MSU158 said:

He even showed a post where he said he would still rather duals be the format right after they won.  I know High School and DI are considerably different when it comes to logistics and level of competition relative to peaking, but I challenge you to go watch the Michigan Team State Tournament and tell me how that atmosphere compares to the Individual Tournament.  It is night and day.

Look, I don't care what team wins.  If MSU all of a sudden had 4 guaranteed 30 point scores at the NCAA tournament, but had to void the other 6 weights, I would STILL want duals to decide the team aspect.  I like all the decision making that goes on in Michigan between weighing kids in where, who has the flip for what weights deciding which team has to put their kid on the mat first, etc.  I know some of that doesn't apply to DI, but some of it would if it actually decided what team wins the NCAA Title.

I simply think it would be a better gauge of exactly who the best 10 starter team is and would be much more engaging for fans.  Hell, the Individual tournament would still do damn near as well since so many of those people that go would still be going regardless of whether or not the team aspect is still in place.

Now, I get that the past national dual format was untenable, but it didn't have the NCAA backing it as the true National Championship.   Make no mistake, with the full support of the NCAA it COULD be a very viable and highly entertaining event.

With all that said, I get that a lot of people like the current system.  It is familiar and convenient.  Team and Individual accolades all at the same place, at the same time.  I am not saying it doesn't work.  I simply believe it isn't the best way. So please, stop thinking all proponents want the format changed due to team bias.  That simply isn't true.  Changing it wouldn't help ANY PSU "haters".  They would almost certainly win the dual format every year they win the Individual format.  

Well stated

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