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26 minutes ago, IronChef said:

Who started out average and ended up great at any school? What is your frame of reference for average and great?

Just this year I'd say Michael DeAugustino and Bernie Truax fit into that category.

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Just now, steamboat_charlie v2 said:

Depends on the publication.  Flo had Kerk #1.  

Ah that's what it was.  Kerk was the #1 recruit but Schultz was the #1 ranked heavyweight.  That year was perplexing to see that all season.

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28 minutes ago, Mr. Poopy butthole said:

It's a dumb argument and just to be clear, that's not what I'm saying.

I think PSU squeezes more juice out of the thickest plums than any team - just look at all the multi-time champs. They might arguably squeeze less juice out of the medium to small sized plums relative to other teams but it doesn't matter if that's the case because they still walk away with the most juice

Nice analogy, Mr. PBH.

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37 minutes ago, Mr. Poopy butthole said:

It's a dumb argument and just to be clear, that's not what I'm saying.

I think PSU squeezes more juice out of the thickest plums than any team - just look at all the multi-time champs. They might arguably squeeze less juice out of the medium to small sized plums relative to other teams but it doesn't matter if that's the case because they still walk away with the most juice

Is there a reason to believe this though?

 

Given that each year it seems like half the lineup is composed of "the thickest plums" is there really enough of a sample size to say those medium and small plums would develop better elsewhere?

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I don't know why anyone still bothers arguing about this stuff.  Penn State has some of, if not the best, coaches in the country.  They also generally have their pick of the best recruits, and are the best at identifying which of the highly touted recruits they can develop into national champions.  They don't just take every top 30 recruit that wants to go to PSU.  

That doesn't mean there aren't other great coaches or programs that are also capable of producing champions.  They just do it more. 

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3 minutes ago, steamboat_charlie v2 said:

That doesn't mean there aren't other great coaches or programs that are also capable of producing champions.  They just do it more. 

Agreed.

 

@Husker_Du, Are you getting the studio upgraded or have you retired from the podcast business?

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Just now, steamboat_charlie v2 said:

I thought about that as well... but unless Kerkvliet is quitting folkstyle, that would mean potentially 3 years on the sideline.  

I thought about Kerk as well but from what I've gathered he seems far more interested in Freestyle.  Doesn't seem far fetched that he'll step away from folk style even with eligibility 

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2 hours ago, Perry said:

It is a fair question (to an extent). Penn state is great at molding great talent into top tier talent. How is their track record on molding above average talent into great talent? Interesting topic to discuss, actually.

I see your point. Teske and Hildebrandt fit this narrative. At the same time, their "top talent" may only look like top talent in retrospect.

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44 minutes ago, steamboat_charlie v2 said:

I thought about that as well... but unless Kerkvliet is quitting folkstyle, that would mean potentially 3 years on the sideline.  

If Feldman wanted to go to PSU he would go there, Will Betancourt isn’t gonna influence that because he can’t break the lineup at a inferior program right now. 

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3 hours ago, HurricaneWrestling2 said:

I think PSU squeezes more juice out of the thickest plums than any team

For reference.

Dylan Alton 175 -5 in HS ranked #1 at 152.

Andrew Alton 178 - 8 in HS ranked #1 at 145 # 2 overall.

McIntosh 189 - 5, 3 state titles 5 loses were as a freshman.

Megaludis 170 - 1, 3 state titles.

Vincent Joseph 140 - 17, 2 state titles.

Bo Nickal 183 - 7, 9th p4p 3 state titles.

Jason Nolf 176 - 1, 3 state titles.

David Taylor 180 - 2, 4 state titles.

Ed Ruth 132 - 12, Top ranked in the nation, 1 state prep title.

Zain 130 - 3, 2 state titles.

Hall 271 - 4, 6 titles.

Starocci 159 - 10,  2 state titles.

Brooks 163 - 2, 4 state titles 2018 wrestler of the year.

RBY 182 - 0, 4 state titles.

Found these numbers elsewhere. Not my work. 

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8 minutes ago, Mphillips said:

For reference.

Dylan Alton 175 -5 in HS ranked #1 at 152.

Andrew Alton 178 - 8 in HS ranked #1 at 145 # 2 overall.

McIntosh 189 - 5, 3 state titles 5 loses were as a freshman.

Megaludis 170 - 1, 3 state titles.

Vincent Joseph 140 - 17, 2 state titles.

Bo Nickal 183 - 7, 9th p4p 3 state titles.

Jason Nolf 176 - 1, 3 state titles.

David Taylor 180 - 2, 4 state titles.

Ed Ruth top ranked in the nation, 2 state titles.

Zain 130 - 3, 2 state titles.

Hall 271 - 4, 6 titles.

Starocci 159 - 10,  2 state titles.

Brooks 163 - 2, 4 state titles 2018 wrestler of the year.

RBY 182 - 0, 4 state titles.

Found these numbers elsewhere. Not my work. 

Ed Ruth never made a state final. Did win Preps as a senior

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2 hours ago, Mr. Poopy butthole said:

It's a dumb argument and just to be clear, that's not what I'm saying.

I think PSU squeezes more juice out of the thickest plums than any team - just look at all the multi-time champs. They might arguably squeeze less juice out of the medium to small sized plums relative to other teams but it doesn't matter if that's the case because they still walk away with the most juice

 

1 hour ago, HurricaneWrestling2 said:

Nice analogy, Mr. PBH.

 

5 minutes ago, Mphillips said:

For reference.

Dylan Alton 175 -5 in HS ranked #1 at 152.

Andrew Alton 178 - 8 in HS ranked #1 at 145 # 2 overall.

McIntosh 189 - 5, 3 state titles 5 loses were as a freshman.

Megaludis 170 - 1, 3 state titles.

Vincent Joseph 140 - 17, 2 state titles.

Bo Nickal 183 - 7, 9th p4p 3 state titles.

Jason Nolf 176 - 1, 3 state titles.

David Taylor 180 - 2, 4 state titles.

Ed Ruth top ranked in the nation, 2 state titles.

Zain 130 - 3, 2 state titles.

Hall 271 - 4, 6 titles.

Starocci 159 - 10,  2 state titles.

Brooks 163 - 2, 4 state titles 2018 wrestler of the year.

RBY 182 - 0, 4 state titles.

Found these numbers elsewhere. Not my work. 

Thanks for that data.  However, it was Mr. PBH, not I, who made the comment you quoted.  I merely followed up complimenting him on the analogy. (Not complaining - just giving credit to the correct source.)

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