steamboat_charlie v2 1,175 Report post Posted March 22 5 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Yeah it's not a great sign. But Greg Kerkvliet committed to 2 other schools before Penn State I think...and he had a great career in blue and white so far. Greg Kerkvliet was the #1 recruit in the country, and has only actually attended two schools. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 2,123 Report post Posted March 22 7 minutes ago, steamboat_charlie v2 said: Greg Kerkvliet was the #1 recruit in the country, and has only actually attended two schools. #2 behind Schultzies, I thought? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konquest 159 Report post Posted March 22 26 minutes ago, IronChef said: Who started out average and ended up great at any school? What is your frame of reference for average and great? Just this year I'd say Michael DeAugustino and Bernie Truax fit into that category. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie v2 1,175 Report post Posted March 22 10 minutes ago, nhs67 said: #2 behind Schultzies, I thought? Depends on the publication. Flo had Kerk #1. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 2,123 Report post Posted March 22 Just now, steamboat_charlie v2 said: Depends on the publication. Flo had Kerk #1. Ah that's what it was. Kerk was the #1 recruit but Schultz was the #1 ranked heavyweight. That year was perplexing to see that all season. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Husker_Du 883 Report post Posted March 22 no one mentioned Shak, so....Shak Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 2,123 Report post Posted March 22 Just now, Husker_Du said: no one mentioned Shak, so....Shak I was going to, but injuries got him late. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Husker_Du 883 Report post Posted March 22 Also Matt Brown wasn't exactly all world in hs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HurricaneWrestling2 905 Report post Posted March 22 28 minutes ago, Mr. Poopy butthole said: It's a dumb argument and just to be clear, that's not what I'm saying. I think PSU squeezes more juice out of the thickest plums than any team - just look at all the multi-time champs. They might arguably squeeze less juice out of the medium to small sized plums relative to other teams but it doesn't matter if that's the case because they still walk away with the most juice Nice analogy, Mr. PBH. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy Cinnabon 411 Report post Posted March 22 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Mr. Poopy butthole said: It's a dumb argument and just to be clear, that's not what I'm saying. I think PSU squeezes more juice out of the thickest plums than any team - just look at all the multi-time champs. They might arguably squeeze less juice out of the medium to small sized plums relative to other teams but it doesn't matter if that's the case because they still walk away with the most juice Is there a reason to believe this though? Given that each year it seems like half the lineup is composed of "the thickest plums" is there really enough of a sample size to say those medium and small plums would develop better elsewhere? Edited March 22 by Jimmy Cinnabon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie v2 1,175 Report post Posted March 22 I don't know why anyone still bothers arguing about this stuff. Penn State has some of, if not the best, coaches in the country. They also generally have their pick of the best recruits, and are the best at identifying which of the highly touted recruits they can develop into national champions. They don't just take every top 30 recruit that wants to go to PSU. That doesn't mean there aren't other great coaches or programs that are also capable of producing champions. They just do it more. 1 Schuteandscore reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mphillips 1,829 Report post Posted March 22 3 minutes ago, steamboat_charlie v2 said: That doesn't mean there aren't other great coaches or programs that are also capable of producing champions. They just do it more. Agreed. @Husker_Du, Are you getting the studio upgraded or have you retired from the podcast business? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Husker_Du 883 Report post Posted March 22 shot one today w/ Justin Basch. will be up shortly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
portajohn 464 Report post Posted March 22 3 minutes ago, Husker_Du said: shot one today w/ Justin Basch. will be up shortly Hey Willie. Is bringing on Betancourt a Hail Mary attempt by PSU to steal Feldman? The two are best friends Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie v2 1,175 Report post Posted March 22 1 minute ago, portajohn said: Hey Willie. Is bringing on Betancourt a Hail Mary attempt by PSU to steal Feldman? The two are best friends I thought about that as well... but unless Kerkvliet is quitting folkstyle, that would mean potentially 3 years on the sideline. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
portajohn 464 Report post Posted March 22 Just now, steamboat_charlie v2 said: I thought about that as well... but unless Kerkvliet is quitting folkstyle, that would mean potentially 3 years on the sideline. I thought about Kerk as well but from what I've gathered he seems far more interested in Freestyle. Doesn't seem far fetched that he'll step away from folk style even with eligibility Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mphillips 1,829 Report post Posted March 22 12 minutes ago, Husker_Du said: shot one today w/ Justin Basch. will be up shortly Who you callin', "shorty... I suppose I should have just said, "I miss you" and left it at that. 1 Schuteandscore reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackwebster 336 Report post Posted March 22 2 hours ago, Perry said: It is a fair question (to an extent). Penn state is great at molding great talent into top tier talent. How is their track record on molding above average talent into great talent? Interesting topic to discuss, actually. I see your point. Teske and Hildebrandt fit this narrative. At the same time, their "top talent" may only look like top talent in retrospect. 1 Perry reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Riz23 53 Report post Posted March 22 44 minutes ago, steamboat_charlie v2 said: I thought about that as well... but unless Kerkvliet is quitting folkstyle, that would mean potentially 3 years on the sideline. If Feldman wanted to go to PSU he would go there, Will Betancourt isn’t gonna influence that because he can’t break the lineup at a inferior program right now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steamboat_charlie v2 1,175 Report post Posted March 22 3 minutes ago, Riz23 said: If Feldman wanted to go to PSU he would go there, Will Betancourt isn’t gonna influence that because he can’t break the lineup at a inferior program right now. Agreed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mphillips 1,829 Report post Posted March 22 (edited) 3 hours ago, HurricaneWrestling2 said: I think PSU squeezes more juice out of the thickest plums than any team For reference. Dylan Alton 175 -5 in HS ranked #1 at 152. Andrew Alton 178 - 8 in HS ranked #1 at 145 # 2 overall. McIntosh 189 - 5, 3 state titles 5 loses were as a freshman. Megaludis 170 - 1, 3 state titles. Vincent Joseph 140 - 17, 2 state titles. Bo Nickal 183 - 7, 9th p4p 3 state titles. Jason Nolf 176 - 1, 3 state titles. David Taylor 180 - 2, 4 state titles. Ed Ruth 132 - 12, Top ranked in the nation, 1 state prep title. Zain 130 - 3, 2 state titles. Hall 271 - 4, 6 titles. Starocci 159 - 10, 2 state titles. Brooks 163 - 2, 4 state titles 2018 wrestler of the year. RBY 182 - 0, 4 state titles. Found these numbers elsewhere. Not my work. Edited March 22 by Mphillips update 1 HurricaneWrestling2 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobDole 1,233 Report post Posted March 22 Nick Lee only won one state title.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TLS62pa 56 Report post Posted March 22 8 minutes ago, Mphillips said: For reference. Dylan Alton 175 -5 in HS ranked #1 at 152. Andrew Alton 178 - 8 in HS ranked #1 at 145 # 2 overall. McIntosh 189 - 5, 3 state titles 5 loses were as a freshman. Megaludis 170 - 1, 3 state titles. Vincent Joseph 140 - 17, 2 state titles. Bo Nickal 183 - 7, 9th p4p 3 state titles. Jason Nolf 176 - 1, 3 state titles. David Taylor 180 - 2, 4 state titles. Ed Ruth top ranked in the nation, 2 state titles. Zain 130 - 3, 2 state titles. Hall 271 - 4, 6 titles. Starocci 159 - 10, 2 state titles. Brooks 163 - 2, 4 state titles 2018 wrestler of the year. RBY 182 - 0, 4 state titles. Found these numbers elsewhere. Not my work. Ed Ruth never made a state final. Did win Preps as a senior Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HurricaneWrestling2 905 Report post Posted March 22 2 hours ago, Mr. Poopy butthole said: It's a dumb argument and just to be clear, that's not what I'm saying. I think PSU squeezes more juice out of the thickest plums than any team - just look at all the multi-time champs. They might arguably squeeze less juice out of the medium to small sized plums relative to other teams but it doesn't matter if that's the case because they still walk away with the most juice 1 hour ago, HurricaneWrestling2 said: Nice analogy, Mr. PBH. 5 minutes ago, Mphillips said: For reference. Dylan Alton 175 -5 in HS ranked #1 at 152. Andrew Alton 178 - 8 in HS ranked #1 at 145 # 2 overall. McIntosh 189 - 5, 3 state titles 5 loses were as a freshman. Megaludis 170 - 1, 3 state titles. Vincent Joseph 140 - 17, 2 state titles. Bo Nickal 183 - 7, 9th p4p 3 state titles. Jason Nolf 176 - 1, 3 state titles. David Taylor 180 - 2, 4 state titles. Ed Ruth top ranked in the nation, 2 state titles. Zain 130 - 3, 2 state titles. Hall 271 - 4, 6 titles. Starocci 159 - 10, 2 state titles. Brooks 163 - 2, 4 state titles 2018 wrestler of the year. RBY 182 - 0, 4 state titles. Found these numbers elsewhere. Not my work. Thanks for that data. However, it was Mr. PBH, not I, who made the comment you quoted. I merely followed up complimenting him on the analogy. (Not complaining - just giving credit to the correct source.) 1 Mphillips reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mphillips 1,829 Report post Posted March 22 (edited) 4 minutes ago, TLS62pa said: Ed Ruth never made a state final. Did win Preps as a senior Yes. Edited Edited March 22 by Mphillips Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
