portajohn 464 Report post Posted March 27 (edited) A raging debate happening on Hawkeye Report on this fantasy matchup. Thoughts? Edited March 27 by portajohn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,611 Report post Posted March 27 If at 125 or 57Kg you probably favor Lee, so long as he is actually healthy and resembles the guy we have always known and is not a shell of himself. If at 133 or 61Kg then it now favors RBY. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VakAttack 4,042 Report post Posted March 27 Peak of their powers? It depends on how big RBY is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
portajohn 464 Report post Posted March 27 11 minutes ago, VakAttack said: Peak of their powers? It depends on how big RBY is. Lets assume peak. And OP on Hawkeye Report had it at a catch weight @ 129...I think its a fun fantasy debate. I have it as a toss up to slightly favoring Lee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VakAttack 4,042 Report post Posted March 27 31 minutes ago, portajohn said: Lets assume peak. And OP on Hawkeye Report had it at a catch weight @ 129...I think its a fun fantasy debate. I have it as a toss up to slightly favoring Lee If RBY has to cut to 129, definitely Lee. One thing that helps Lee in any match up, even if RBY is bigger, is that RBY isn't going to wear Lee down as sometimes happens because he's not overly physical or high volume. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Poopy butthole 314 Report post Posted March 27 RBY beat Ragusin 4-0 whereas Lee teched him. Therefore, based on that wholly valid reasoning Lee should smash the 133 champ 2 Waxpacks and BLT reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ludwigdmd 29 Report post Posted March 27 Starocci vs Brooks…who wins if they wrestle at 179? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
portajohn 464 Report post Posted March 27 13 minutes ago, Mr. Poopy butthole said: RBY beat Ragusin 4-0 whereas Lee teched him. Therefore, based on that wholly valid reasoning Lee should smash the 133 champ I'd pick Lee but terrible analogy. This is the same false equivalency used in the Taylor/Dake fantasy match ups Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
portajohn 464 Report post Posted March 27 Just now, ludwigdmd said: Starocci vs Brooks…who wins if they wrestle at 179? Brooks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JeanGuy 147 Report post Posted March 27 8 minutes ago, Mr. Poopy butthole said: RBY beat Ragusin 4-0 whereas Lee teched him. Therefore, based on that wholly valid reasoning Lee should smash the 133 champ Ah, the transitive property of sports. Common opponents really mean very little. All that said if we are talking a fully healthy Lee (I 'm not even sure what that means) and RBY at each's ideal fantasy weight that ends up being similar I would probably go with Lee. His top game is so dynamic. I do think it would be much closer than many believe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,611 Report post Posted March 27 19 minutes ago, Mr. Poopy butthole said: RBY beat Ragusin 4-0 whereas Lee teched him. Therefore, based on that wholly valid reasoning Lee should smash the 133 champ Lee got taken down in free by Daton Fix. Fix can't even come close to taking down RBY. Seems equally valid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Poopy butthole 314 Report post Posted March 28 Sheesh guys, I thought the phrase "wholly valid reasoning" made it obvious that I was being sarcastic :| 1 Wrestleknownothing reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
portajohn 464 Report post Posted March 28 7 minutes ago, Mr. Poopy butthole said: Sheesh guys, I thought the phrase "wholly valid reasoning" made it obvious that I was being sarcastic :| Whoops Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mphillips 1,829 Report post Posted March 28 If DeSanto can get in nine times, so is Lee and he finishes more than half of whatever number I make up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingcement 917 Report post Posted March 28 I would take Lee pretty easily but it made me think about what weight would they need to wrestle at to make things as equal as possible. I'm thinking 135. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mphillips 1,829 Report post Posted March 28 25 minutes ago, Mr. Poopy butthole said: Sheesh guys, I thought the phrase "wholly valid reasoning" made it obvious that I was being sarcastic :| It was. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 2,123 Report post Posted March 28 40 minutes ago, TBar1977 said: Lee got taken down in free by Daton Fix. Fix can't even come close to taking down RBY. Seems equally valid. How many years ago was this? 11? 12? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mphillips 1,829 Report post Posted March 28 1 minute ago, nhs67 said: How many years ago was this? 11? 12? Context brother... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,611 Report post Posted March 28 (edited) 2 minutes ago, nhs67 said: How many years ago was this? 11? 12? Not sure. Does it even matter when arguing fantasy matches? Edited March 28 by TBar1977 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nhs67 2,123 Report post Posted March 28 Not a fan of catchweights. Oddly I am a fan of +2 for non-qualifying tournaments, providing scratch weight was used before using the +2 (in folkstyle). In freestyle just do +2 all the time unless it is a qualifying event. That being said, RBY isn't making 125, 57, or 57 +2. That makes this match at 133 for folkstyle and 61 for freestyle. In folkstyle I think RBY's speed is just too much. Even for a 125lber coming up. In freestyle Lee's just going to outfreestyle him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BLT 86 Report post Posted March 28 1 hour ago, nhs67 said: How many years ago was this? 11? 12? More like 3 or more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wrestleknownothing 1,675 Report post Posted March 28 RBY with one arm tied behind Austin DeSanto's back. 1 1 Perry and Elevator reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perry 1,429 Report post Posted March 28 If it is Lee bumping up then he loses. He's not beating rby at 133. I don't think rby even attempts to get below 133 so any discussion of a catch weight is probably pointless. Would be a good match. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 2,312 Report post Posted March 28 12 hours ago, Mphillips said: If DeSanto can get in nine times, so is Lee and he finishes more than half of whatever number I make up. Bear in mind, he would wrestle with both hands against Lee. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy Cinnabon 411 Report post Posted March 28 Are we talking a 100% healthy Spencer Lee? Lee with no ACLs and 4 years of wear and tear is not the same guy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
