App State Coach JohnMark Bentley says Millner was being recruited at NCAA's

[1032004 1,452]

1 hour ago, Hufarted said:

Oh! 

IIRC, there may have also been claims of some "recruiting" at the U23 worlds in 2019, moreso by Nickal and Berge who were on the team with Kerkvliet (don't know if Cael was even there).  Interestingly Max Dean was on that team as well.   But Snyder had joined NLWC about a month prior, and most seem to think Kerk transferring was more because of that.

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Tom Brands poached half of VT's squad when he took the Iowa job.

He recruited those wrestlers to Virginia Tech, it's not like he went and grabbed guys off a team he had no relationship with.  They wanted to follow him.  It's funny, I have second-hand knowledge on this issue, at the Florida duals this year I met Jay Borschel and Dan LeClere's dad, and they were still hot about it.

1 hour ago, Hufarted said:

This is the first time I've heard of this, but the first guys that came to mind for me were Tom Brands and Cael Sanderson. Cael has "poached" at least a couple good wrestlers over the years, I immediately thought of Hildebrandt and Max Dean.

 

1 hour ago, Hufarted said:

Well I don't really consider those "poaching" all that much. From what I understand Dean was angry he was forced to sit out due to COVID, and who can blame Hildebrandt for transferring from a MAC school to a Big 10 program? What's the rub on Kerkvliet....how did Cael poach him, I haven't heard this one. 

Tom Brands on the other hand...oh yeah, I'd believe he was poaching. 

These two posts don't make any sense.  You said you immediately thought of Cael and Max Dean and Hildebrandt when you thought of poaching, and then you said one post later you don't consider it poaching.

1 hour ago, jp157 said:

My issue is that I don’t get why people don’t understand that “pure” capitalism isn’t going to be the best answer in every case. Especially on the macro scale. I’m not talking about adopting communism. I’m talking about this weird idea pure capitalism should be applied everywhere 

I agree in general.  My only point is that, under the previous system, only the student-athletes, who had the least power, were constrained in any way by regulation.  If the choice is no regulation or only the students are constrained, I don't think it's right to regulate only the least powerful.

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42 minutes ago, steamboat_charlie v2 said:

Dean and Hildebrandt I don't think can be considered poaching.  His heavyweight, though...

 

27 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

by poaching Kyle Snyder first

 

It's a little more than that.  When Kerkvliet made the U23 team while still at Ohio State, Cael went to Budapest as a coach.  This was two weeks after Snyder announced he was moving to NLWC.  Cael made his pitch there (allegedly), and Kerkvliet transferred about a month later.  

Curiously, Max Dean was also on that team.  

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1 hour ago, steamboat_charlie v2 said:

 

 

It's a little more than that.  When Kerkvliet made the U23 team while still at Ohio State, Cael went to Budapest as a coach.  This was two weeks after Snyder announced he was moving to NLWC.  Cael made his pitch there (allegedly), and Kerkvliet transferred about a month later.  

Curiously, Max Dean was also on that team.  

jinx!  haha, I actually wasn't sure if Cael was even there, interesting

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6 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

jinx!  haha, I actually wasn't sure if Cael was even there, interesting

Indeed he was.  It was a little odd considering Cael hadn't historically been the coach traveling for non-senior level events.  Just a scheduling thing, I'm sure...

[ionel 2,537]

12 minutes ago, steamboat_charlie v2 said:

 

 

It's a little more than that.  When Kerkvliet made the U23 team while still at Ohio State, Cael went to Budapest as a coach.  This was two weeks after Snyder announced he was moving to NLWC.  Cael made his pitch there (allegedly), and Kerkvliet transferred about a month later.  

Curiously, Max Dean was also on that team.  

should be airport security video to confirm if Carl was or wasn't carrying a "bag of cash."

[Billyhoyle 2,479]

18 minutes ago, steamboat_charlie v2 said:

 

 

It's a little more than that.  When Kerkvliet made the U23 team while still at Ohio State, Cael went to Budapest as a coach.  This was two weeks after Snyder announced he was moving to NLWC.  Cael made his pitch there (allegedly), and Kerkvliet transferred about a month later.  

Curiously, Max Dean was also on that team.  

I heard that on the same trip, Cael was explaining to Dean how vaccines cause blindness. The guy is playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers. 

[Wrestleknownothing 1,502]

1 hour ago, BerniePragle said:

If everybody’s doing it… There’s a lot of guys doing it.
-Vincent Lauria

Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded.

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45 minutes ago, Hufarted said:

Most people are wildly ignorant on communism, socialism, and capitalism. Especially ignorant people use words like "socialist" as a pejorative while having no idea what the word actually means. 

I’m not even opening that can of worms. I’m keeping to just my point 

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20 minutes ago, steamboat_charlie v2 said:

Indeed he was.  It was a little odd considering Cael hadn't historically been the coach traveling for non-senior level events.  Just a scheduling thing, I'm sure...

or, alternatively, he went to coach Bo

[ionel 2,537]

3 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded.

this feels like "Déjà vu all over again"

[BerniePragle 382]

4 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded.

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

[steamboat_charlie v2 1,157]

11 minutes ago, ionel said:

should be airport security video to confirm if Carl was or wasn't carrying a "bag of cash."

No no no.  You'll never catch Cael doing something so slimy.  That's what the bag man is for... just ask Coach K. 

[ionel 2,537]

6 minutes ago, BerniePragle said:

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

Its now: if you come to a bag in the road, take it. 

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2 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

or, alternatively, he went to coach Bo

Of course.  Berge as well.  It would have been a little strange if Cael just showed up in Hungary on his own and volunteered his services.  

It's still the only time I've seen Cael travel internationally for an age-level event, and the timing was.... interesting.  To say the least.  

[HurricaneWrestling2 875]

1 hour ago, Hufarted said:

Well I don't really consider those "poaching" all that much. From what I understand Dean was angry he was forced to sit out due to COVID, and who can blame Hildebrandt for transferring from a MAC school to a Big 10 program? What's the rub on Kerkvliet....how did Cael poach him, I haven't heard this one. 

Tom Brands on the other hand...oh yeah, I'd believe he was poaching. 

Seems you're willing to believe the worst about Brands but not Sanderson. 

I like that in a poster.

[VakAttack 4,014]

6 minutes ago, HurricaneWrestling2 said:

Seems you're willing to believe the worst about Brands but not Sanderson. 

I like that in a poster.

I'm in court waiting for my case to get called and I just got a stare from the judge for my short bark of a laugh.  Well played.

[ionel 2,537]

2 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

I'm in court waiting for my case to get called and I just got a stare from the judge for my short bark of a laugh.  Well played.

No steak knives for you!

[HurricaneWrestling2 875]

9 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

I'm in court waiting for my case to get called and I just got a stare from the judge for my short bark of a laugh.  Well played.

One more outburst from you, and it'll be contempt of court, Mr. Vakbini!

[Husker_Du 852]

26 minutes ago, HurricaneWrestling2 said:

Seems you're willing to believe the worst about Brands but not Sanderson. 

I like that in a poster.

lol.

well played. and i hope you're joking. b/c when did i 'believe the worst in tom brands' ? 

[VakAttack 4,014]

3 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

lol.

well played. and i hope you're joking. b/c when did i 'believe the worst in tom brands' ? 

New twist:  is @Hufarted Willie's burner?

[Husker_Du 852]

30 minutes ago, steamboat_charlie v2 said:

Of course.  Berge as well.  It would have been a little strange if Cael just showed up in Hungary on his own and volunteered his services.  

It's still the only time I've seen Cael travel internationally for an age-level event, and the timing was.... interesting.  To say the least.  

sorry to mess up a great conspiracy, but Cael has been on several non-senior trips. 

[Husker_Du 852]

1 minute ago, VakAttack said:

New twist:  is @Hufarted Willie's burner?

yes. i definitely need a burner. if you know me, you know i'm scared to say how i feel under my own name. 

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Just now, Husker_Du said:

yes. i definitely need a burner. if you know me, you know i'm scared to say how i feel under my own name. 

Nah, I just thought it was funny, since the mighty Hurricane didn't quote you, lol.

[steamboat_charlie v2 1,157]

Just now, VakAttack said:

New twist:  is @Hufarted Willie's burner?

Uh oh...