supyall46 7 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 I thought that might have been 5. Just my opinion, but it was dang close. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 2,045 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 I thought that might have been 5. Just my opinion, but it was dang close. Sorry- misread title- don't see delete here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glane18 73 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 Looked like 5 to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indywrastlin23 1 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 It looked like a textbook 3 to me. The 5s that I have seen have been high arching throws. That was more of a gut wrench motion out of bounds IMO. Great Match!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sockobuw 49 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 didnt land in danger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gutfirst 220 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 from where? chest to chest, double, belly to back? how about a description? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiedsworld 14 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 Definately looked like a gut that ended up above normal height due to JB trying to step up to defense it. Def not 5. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supyall46 7 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 Dake got Burroughs down to four-point, then either went guy or reverse lock (I think it was guy, but not totally sure). Burroughs turned in slightly (possible to step over) and Dake sent him flying. I thought I saw some arch in there, but maybe it was just me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quanon 161 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 Dake tried it again toward the end of the match, and Burroughs collapsed to the ground to make sure that he gave up two and not three. I also thought that Burroughs should have been cautioned for fleeing the mat during the scramble that tied the match at 4, given the way that fleeing has been called. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JasonBryant 2,066 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 Exciting, but not close to a 5. You have to land in danger for it to be a 5. For a definition of danger (proper wording), I will defer to guys like matref (who has another handle on this board) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sockobuw 49 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 5 points - All grand amplitude throws executed in a standing position which bring the defending wrestler to a direct and immediate danger position. 30 - The hold executed by a wrestler in the "par terre" position who completely lifts his opponent off the ground with the execution of a high amplitude throw which projects the opponent into a direct and immediate danger position Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quanon 161 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 There's a section on danger in the rules. Can't be in danger if you land on your hands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 2,045 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 There's a section on danger in the rules. Can't be in danger if you land on your hands. Face up or down? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quanon 161 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 There's a section on danger in the rules. Can't be in danger if you land on your hands. Face up or down? Palms down. What are you talking about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
melvin 1 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 I did not think that he had 5 but I did think that there was a TD at the end BEFORE the JB 2. Most exciting match in a LONG time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quanon 161 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 A wrestler shall be considered in the 'danger position' when the line of his back (or the line of his shoulders) vertically or in parallel with the mat, forms an angle of less than 90 degrees to the said mat and when he resists with the upper part of his body to avoid a 'fall'. (See definition of 'fall'). The danger position occurs when: - The defending wrestler assumes the bridge position to avoid being pinned. - The defending wrestler, with his back toward the mat, supports himself on one or both elbows to avoid having his shoulders forced onto the mat. - The wrestler has one shoulder in contact with the mat and at the same time exceeds the 90 degree vertical line with the other shoulder (acute angle). - The wrestler finds himself in the 'instantaneous fall' position, that is, when he is on both shoulders for less than one second. - The wrestler rolls on his shoulders. The 'danger position' no longer exists when the wrestler exceeds the 90-degree vertical line with his chest and stomach facing the mat. If the mat and the competitor's back form a 90-degree angle only, this cannot yet be considered a 'danger position' (the neutral point). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 2,045 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 There's a section on danger in the rules. Can't be in danger if you land on your hands. Face up or down? Palms down. What are you talking about? If he landed on his hands exposing his back... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quanon 161 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 In my memory, Burroughs landed on his butt and both hands, exposing his back, then turned to his stomach without hitting his elbow -- so no 5. But I'd have to see a replay. I think it was close to being grand amplitude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 2,232 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 Towards the end of the first, Burroughs took Dake down and split his legs. Why didn't he get two for that turn? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sockobuw 49 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 pretty sure he got 1 for hand to hand before dake scored his 1 for fleeing/reversal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 2,045 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 Confused, didn't the new rules eliminate hand-to-hand? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sockobuw 49 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 i think it was out of the "old new" rules and then back in the "new new" rules Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sockobuw 49 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 1 point - To the wrestler who applies a correct hold while standing on the mat or in the "par terre" position but who does not place his opponent in danger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 2,045 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 1 point- To the wrestler who applies a correct hold while standing on the mat or in the "par terre" position but who does not place his opponent in danger. A correct hold is not hand-to-hand exposure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sockobuw 49 Report post Posted June 22, 2013 i copied the wrong one that i wanted. that is the lift. i assumed it was this one. - To the wrestler who blocks his opponent on one or two outstretched arms, his back facing the mat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites