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have to compete to get on a world/olympic team.

 

He's beyond that.

 

An undefeated, 2x world/1x olympic champ, and undoubtedly the best wrestler in the world shouldn't have to wrestle domestic wrestlers to "prove" that he belongs on a world/olympic team.

 

As long as he keeps defeating international wrestlers then the spot should be his.

 

Even if a domestic wrestler does beat him (fluke), Mr. Burroughs should still be the one to go to the worlds/olympics because he's proven he can defeat all the international guys.

 

We don't need another Stephen Neal/Kerry McCoy situation where a proven world champ had to sit home because we kept sending the one guy he couldn't beat, only for that guy to keep coming up short internationally.

 

Only when/if Mr. Burroughs starts losing to international guys on a (consistent) basis should he be made to enter trials to make the world/olympic team.

 

Until then he's the guy we send regardless if he loses domestically.

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bad idea. if done with kemp, we would have never heard of schultz. if done with schultz, we would have never heard of monday.

I bet Russia wishes they would have sent a proven wrestler to the World Championship this year at 74. They could have won the team race if they had.

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I agree. People at his weight are training just for Burroughs. Burroughs' style, as bada## as it is, is very American. That means when "whoever" pulls off the big upset, they are not going to be ready for the different styles we see on the international stage.

 

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I think what Zeke Jones put in will minimize this. Say Kyle Dake beats Jordan at the trials, that doesn't put him on the world/olympic team unless he out performs Burroughs at a designated international tournament. Jordan wants to make history, and Dake and Howe challenging will keep him from getting complacent.

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We actually already kind of do this (in a modified way). I'm pretty sure that Burroughs is already in the WTT finals, and others have to wrestle to meet him there. Last year, JB did not have to wrestle in the Open, because he was already in the finals for WTT, but chose to do so anyways.

 

Even if JB lost in the WTT finals, him and the other person would have to travel to the same international tournament, and that person would have to place higher than JB. So, it's a long shot, and if someone can do all of that, then I suppose they are good enough to take the spot.

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have to compete to get on a world/olympic team.

 

He's beyond that.

 

An undefeated, 2x world/1x olympic champ, and undoubtedly the best wrestler in the world shouldn't have to wrestle domestic wrestlers to "prove" that he belongs on a world/olympic team.

 

As long as he keeps defeating international wrestlers then the spot should be his.

 

Even if a domestic wrestler does beat him (fluke), Mr. Burroughs should still be the one to go to the worlds/olympics because he's proven he can defeat all the international guys.

 

We don't need another Stephen Neal/Kerry McCoy situation where a proven world champ had to sit home because we kept sending the one guy he couldn't beat, only for that guy to keep coming up short internationally.

 

Only when/if Mr. Burroughs starts losing to international guys on a (consistent) basis should he be made to enter trials to make the world/olympic team.

 

Until then he's the guy we send regardless if he loses domestically.

 

Pretty sure this is exactly what these two cool dudes were discussing at the recent Worlds.

 

 

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problem with this logic is.....it destroys anyone else's motivation to go after the spot.

It would kill us.

 

Really? Russia uses this system (or at least used to) and it worked just fine and I doubt it affected the "motivation" of their wrestlers.

 

Instead of defeating just one domestic guy, a wrestler has to prove he can defeat international wrestlers at smaller tournaments...you know the wrestlers they'll have to go against at the worlds/olympics.

 

Just because you're the better wrestler domestically doesn't mean you're the better wrestler internationally.

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Pretty sure this is exactly what these two cool dudes were discussing at the recent Worlds.

 

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Looks like Mr. Burroughs has the beginnings of a Jadidi-esque 'stache.

 

Imagine if he goes to the next world championships with a completed Jadidi-stache and a broken ankle. He will have achieved being an anti-hero and a hero at the exact same time and space. That would defy all laws of physics. It would be the beginning of the end for all of humanity on a global scale.

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Russia will send the national champion the vast majority of the time. They occasionally pick a guy to sit out nationals and get the spot, but only if he's dominating nationally and internationally (Vlasoev being a recent example). In FS this year, Gatsalov was the only non-national champ who went because the other 120 kg guy was really struggling. Goygeerev at 60 kg went over 4x world champ Kudukhov, and Khubetzy went over 2x champ Tsargush.

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Meh, more douchebaggery from df, nothing new.

 

How is it douchebaggery? Are you honestly going to say its douchy to disagree that if some unknown beats a world and Olympic champion, that guy should be our representitive?

 

It might not be the way America does it, but it is a far cry from douchy or illogical.

 

The cool thing about the way America does it is that you hold your own destiny in your own two hands. It might not lead to the most success, but it does lead to most opportunity. Absolutely nothing wrong with doing it a different way.

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The idea itself isn't douchebaggery, in the context of df and all of his posts, it is just typical pot stirring troll douchebaggery. If that system were in place in the US, Kendall Cross would not have been Olympic Champion in 1996 since Terry Brands won two of the previous three Worlds. I have no problem with a World Champ getting a pass to the WTT or OT finals, but beyond that (s)he should have to still earn it every time and if an upstart wins, it is his/her turn.

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If that system were in place in the US, Kendall Cross would not have been Olympic Champion in 1996 since Terry Brands won two of the previous three Worlds.

 

Brands would have won gold in '96 if we had sent him.

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