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One would hope this schedule means NCAA will go in odd years to somewhere in the Central Time Zone (Usually St Louis, occasionally, OKC, KC, Minn Chicago; then in even years somewhere in the Mid-Atlantic+Ohio area (NYC-area, Philly, Pitt, DC, Cleveland, Maybe Columbus, Detroit, Buffalo.

 

However this schedule means at least four more years of Wrestling not becoming a second semester sport.

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One would hope this schedule means NCAA will go in odd years to somewhere in the Central Time Zone (Usually St Louis, occasionally, OKC, KC, Minn Chicago; then in even years somewhere in the Mid-Atlantic+Ohio area (NYC-area, Philly, Pitt, DC, Cleveland, Maybe Columbus, Detroit, Buffalo.

 

However this schedule means at least four more years of Wrestling not becoming a second semester sport.

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Since I'm semi-retired I think i'll make a 10-day trip to NYC and the northeast. My sister lived in Jersey and worked in the shipping industry NYC. I visited every 4th of July, enjoyed going to a play, sporting event, and a different museum each time. We'd always take a day trip Philly, Cape May, Long Island, Newport. This time I think I'll go to Boston to see a cousin, New Hampshire and Maine (then West Virginia will be the only state I haven't been too).

I spent 6 weeks for training on Wall Street in 1975, learned to use the subway and walked all over Manhattan. For those on a budget you'll want to stay further out and take the train in daily. MSG will sellout, the crowd makeup will be different than Des Moines or OKC.

From a media point of view this will be great for wrestling.

I wish OKC had gotten one of the years, i think everyone who visits this year will be impressed with the improvements to the downtown area. OKC is no longer the USA's largest cowtown, it is on its way to being a major city. It reminds me of how Phoenix was when I moved there in 1978. I guess every 10 years we get to host the NCAAs.

Cleveland I'm not wild about because of the weather, but a lot of wrestling fans will be within easy driving distance. It usually costs me a grand to make a trip to the NCAA, since i don't have to make a trip this year, spending 2-3 times that for NYC doesn't bother me.

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the trade off is more time/money for the NYC experience .

 

 

The most overrated experience on earth.

 

I hope more southern cities put in bids for the next round of selections.

 

Hah, yes i've heard that before. im sorry your not a fan. maybe you can you the NCAA as an opportunity to give it another shot? part of the benefit of being such a big city is no matter what youre looking for you can usually find it there.

 

and i also wouldnt mind seeing the tournament in the south east. some fun cities south of the mason dixon.

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the trade off is more time/money for the NYC experience .

 

 

The most overrated experience on earth.

 

I hope more southern cities put in bids for the next round of selections.

 

Hah, yes i've heard that before. im sorry your not a fan. maybe you can you the NCAA as an opportunity to give it another shot? part of the benefit of being such a big city is no matter what youre looking for you can usually find it there.

 

and i also wouldnt mind seeing the tournament in the south east. some fun cities south of the mason dixon.

 

I would expect Atlanta could be a good choice; not an easy driving distance for most fans, but good airport. And there are a number of smaller cities that come to mind with good trasportation and access.

 

I'm sorry folks like English Bob don't think much of NYC, but on the other hand, being on the I-95 corridor means this city will draw well no matter what, so folks from the far-away midwest who don't want to travel (or folks who just don't like the big city) will be replaced by folks from the East who are now within easy driving distance. And maybe we end up expanding the fan base by attracting people who otherwise may have never attended the Big Dance!

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Since I'm semi-retired I think i'll make a 10-day trip to NYC and the northeast. My sister lived in Jersey and worked in the shipping industry NYC. I visited every 4th of July, enjoyed going to a play, sporting event, and a different museum each time. We'd always take a day trip Philly, Cape May, Long Island, Newport. This time I think I'll go to Boston to see a cousin, New Hampshire and Maine (then West Virginia will be the only state I haven't been too).

I spent 6 weeks for training on Wall Street in 1975, learned to use the subway and walked all over Manhattan. For those on a budget you'll want to stay further out and take the train in daily. MSG will sellout, the crowd makeup will be different than Des Moines or OKC.

From a media point of view this will be great for wrestling.

I wish OKC had gotten one of the years, i think everyone who visits this year will be impressed with the improvements to the downtown area. OKC is no longer the USA's largest cowtown, it is on its way to being a major city. It reminds me of how Phoenix was when I moved there in 1978. I guess every 10 years we get to host the NCAAs.

Cleveland I'm not wild about because of the weather, but a lot of wrestling fans will be within easy driving distance. It usually costs me a grand to make a trip to the NCAA, since i don't have to make a trip this year, spending 2-3 times that for NYC doesn't bother me.

 

That is why I like the idea of going back and forth between the Midwest and east coast. All in all, I think they selections were good, though not what I would have selected.

 

Everyone must remember that we don't know what was in each bid so we are only judging on location.

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I am sort of conflicted about the news about two more @St. Louis. On one hand, it has in the past been one of the best overall sites I've attended. The cons are the fact that I getting extremely tired of it; and have been disappointed in the state of Union Station, which used to be great in between sessions, but has deteriorated into of a vacant mall/dinosaur of a facility.

 

Can anyone clue us in as to what's new and exciting about the area near the Cleveland venue? Back in '98 there wasn't much within walking distance to the arena @ Cleveland State...the Flats area was the best option for bars/restaurants between sessions.

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That is why I like the idea of going back and forth between the Midwest and east coast. All in all, I think they selections were good, though not what I would have selected.

 

Everyone must remember that we don't know what was in each bid so we are only judging on location.

 

right. lots of folks, myself included, are judging the selections first based on how convenient it is for THEM, and then working backwards by talking up all the natural advantages the preferred sites have and all the disadvantages of the unfavored sites.

 

but even with a totally objective evaluation of all the venues, we dont know what the venues themselves actually proposed to the NCAA. i'm sure the RFP that went out to potential bidders was extensive (the NCAA did it for ALL sports at ALL levels for the next 3-4 years all at once, right?) and the list of factors that were considered is no doubt vast.

 

so best to make the most of what we got!

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NYC NCAA wrestling will be a blast. It will absolutely sell out. The NY metro area is 6 million Philadelphia metro area and major parts of PA and NJ and Northeast and upstate NY are all within 3-4 hour drives.

 

If you do go to NYC. You must take in a broadway show. A bad Broadway show is better than the best movie you ever saw. You must go to 9/11 memorial, Chinatown, Little Italy, walk around washington square park which is where New York University is and of course Rockefeller Center in midtown.

 

It would be a good idea to get yourself a Zagat's guide and one of those other books about inexpensive eats in NYC. Do not waist your mony on fast food. try different places.

 

I will see you all there!!!!!!!!!

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Is Governor's Island open to the public? My late brother in-law ran the port watch for the Coast Guard when they had the re-unveiling of the Statute of Liberty and and the Tall Ships Parade. Because of him my sister and I had passes onto Governor's Island. I took two photos which I've had blowup and framed. One is the Stauture of Liberty as dusk before it was lighted again, and one of the World Trade Centers with the Coast Guard's Eagle daily ship in front of them as it was headed towards the East River. At the time I didn't know it would have historic significance. I wanted to take a photo from the same spot when the towers were gone, but the island was closed. Now I want to take one of the new tower from the same spot.

Must see is the Museum of Natural History. I walked all the way back down 5th Avenue with a buddy to Lexington Park. Actually climbed the towers when they were under construction, made it to the 82nd floor before a security guard caught us. the floors were in, but not the walls. Quite the view! Also the top of the Empire State building is a must.

 

I'll have to do some advance planning on lodging, getting around Manhattan is not hard you've got the subway, busses, and taxis. Of course taxis aren't cheap. When you go to a deli know what you want to order, don't be trying to make up your mind when it is your turn- time is money.

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I don't know if Atlanta placed a bid, but I do know they were not among the finalists.

 

As far as Cleveland, from what I have heard, it was a technically sound bid. The MAC and Cleveland Sports Commission do an excellent job hosting events in the eyes of the NCAA, which probably was a big factor in getting the NCAA Wrestling Tournament (something that Pittsburgh did not have going for it). I do know that Philadelphia was "all in" for NCAA tournaments, and they got a number of other DI tournaments - lacrosse and soccer in specific.

 

Cleveland will be different than it was when the tournament was at Cleveland State. First and foremost, it will be at Quicken Loans Arena as opposed to at Cleveland State. The "Q" is a much bigger facility. I live in the Cleveland area, but don't go downtown much; however, some things are different then even when the U.S. Open was there a few years back. (1) The area on East 4th street has been fully built up with restaraunts and the such. That is within walking distance of The "Q" (2) There is now a casino, which will either be in Terminal Tower or right behind it, again within walking distance of The "Q".

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I'm sorry folks like English Bob don't think much of NYC, but on the other hand, being on the I-95 corridor means this city will draw well no matter what, so folks from the far-away midwest who don't want to travel (or folks who just don't like the big city) will be replaced by folks from the East who are now within easy driving distance. And maybe we end up expanding the fan base by attracting people who otherwise may have never attended the Big Dance!

 

I'm still going to try to make, and yes I understand that the population around there will make it a successful event, but selling the NYC experience as being better than a lot of cities in the US isn't true. Give me Nashville, New Orleans, Austin and Chicago over it any day.

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nyc is cool and all but you better plan out your trip you wont be able to do a lot between sessions bc youll be caught in rush hour

 

there is so much to do in nyc you better research bc youll miss a lot of it if you don't youll need to stay some extra days if you want to actually see any sights otherwise youll just have enough time to eat and sleep and watch wrestling which is basically the same for any ncaa championship

 

the highlight for most Midwesterners will be walking the city and seeing times square at night which is really cool but not much time for spending a lot of time really seeing things

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That makes no sense. NY is the easiest place to do stuff between sessions since you can walk to a lot of what you would want to do from MSG. "Rush hour "isn't going to impact anyone. If you are doing stuff in Manhattan (as you should) you will walk. If you are staying in NJ or Long Island or the Boros you will train.

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I went to Des Moines three days early last year. I loved that. I've thought of staying after the tournament and seeing a location, but during the tournament, a beer and a meal in between seems to be the pattern. It may just be us, but we always want to discuss a few of the matches, and who we have next, etc. There are not very many activities which rate higher than that. Anyway, on a typical trip, I always do my sight seeing on the way to restaurants and bars, so I went early last year and loved Des Moines. I spent two days in the pool room there, and felt like I would definitely play a lot of great players if I lived in Des Moines. Getting to know some of the locals made it one of my favorite tournament locations of all time. Nice folks imo.

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i know its 2 years+ away but i cant help but be psyched for nyc already. for the families and the cost conscious, stay out of manhattan, public transpo in, and avoid rush hour. should be easy, especially since half the tournament is on a weekend. if you are spry and able bodied, find a cheap place in the city with priceline or whatever and go nuts.

 

empire state building and times square are a couple blocks away for quick visits. rockafeller center, WTC memorial, chinatown, little italy and the village are all great places a little further away on the island for extended site seeing. consult the interwebs and preview all menus for pricing before sitting down. there are lots rip offs but plenty of reasonable priced places as well. theres a duane reade or bodega on almost every corner if you need snacks or general provisions. and anything else you need is a gps enabled google click away.

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I don't believe being in manhattan is prohibitive. Competitive, nearby hotel rates with early booking should easily offset the daily expense of public transportation.

 

You want cheap eats? Eat at subway ($7 with drink). Get an egg sandwich at a deli for breakfast ($4 with coffee). Grab a hotdog ($3 with drink). Eat Chinese take out ($10 with drink). There's a great Thai restaurant around the corner from MSG (lunch special $10). Pizza ($5 with drink). Chipotle ($11 with drink).

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There's a "Better than Halal" corner stand with some of the best gyros I've ever eaten across from the Sheraton on 53rd. $4. Had one two weeks ago ... no issues with the "facilities" either. This one will involve planning, but when I've been to the city without a car, I've always found inexpensive places to chow. It's going to be an eye-opener for a lot of people who never have been to Manhattan or any of the other boroughs .... just watch anything on Travel or Food Network to find out the real good places to eat. And if you don't trust them, ZAGAT.

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